Beta recommeded reading books/authors

[vroooooom]

William Shakespeare - ENFj or INFp
Hans Christian Andersen - INFp
Alan Alexander Milne (Winnie the Pooh) - INFp
Tolkien - INFp
Lois McMaster Bujold- ESTp sci-fi writer? Sounds very odd but she talks alot about honour and war and she seems to be very good tactician and I have 2 ESTp friends which are big fans of her often. They love to recite her.
Chuck Palahniuk - INFp

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[anndelise]

William Shakespeare - ENFj or INFp
Hans Christian Andersen - INFp
Alan Alexander Milne (Winnie the Pooh) - INFp
Tolkien - INFp
Lois McMaster Bujold- ESTp sci-fi writer? Sounds very odd be she talks alot about honour and war and she seems to be very good tactician and I have 2 ESTp friends which are big fans of her often. They love to recite her.
Chuck Palahniuk - INFp

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I thought Tolkien was an intp.
(I'm not saying he is or isn't...only that that was what i had thought.)

[vroooooom]

some MBTI sites type him as INFp I think.

[Scrummy]

I'm pretty sure Shakespeare was ENTj nowadays.

[FDG]

I agree on Beta quadra for Palahniuk. However, I think ESTp is possible for him as well.

[Fermi]

anyone got any ideas about robert jordan, or Robin hobb (its a pseadonym) ?

[Expat]

Anyone here ever heard of the incredibly long, never-ending German science-fiction paperback series called Perry Rhodan?

I read the first 200 volumes (or around that) before I got tired of it, but now I realize it's a good example of Beta science fiction. At least the first volumes were translated into English -- or I suppose nobody ever heard of it?

[ScarlettLux]

How is it Beta?

[Expat]

Well, have you heard of it? Or do I have to say what it's about first?

[guest32456]

A quick look on Wikipedia (yes, it's got a bad reputation, but I like it for general things like this) made Perry Rhodan seem more like a history of human space exploration than a novel as such.

I'd be very interested to hear how it's Beta.

Expat, have you read the Night's Dawn Trilogy?

Best,

[marooned]

I haven't heard of it. But I am curious why you think it is Beta nonetheless...

[Expat]

It's difficult to explain without getting into a lengthy detailed description of the series, which I may do at some time but not now.

But, essentially:

- it has an Aristocratic feel, as in "we, a small band of brothers, under wise and strong leadership, are going to fix the world despite opposition from those who don't know better"
- its main character, Rhodan, is a sort of "ISTj without any weaknesses" who is obviously meant to be seen as a role model, and the reader is meant to identify with him
- his main sidekick, who's well into Fe (although perhaps more like ESFj than ENFj), is often the center of any attempt of the series at humor, and he seems to amuse Rhodan, but Rhodan himself is never, ever, made to appear less than perfect (he makes mistakes, but these do not usually make you lose your supposed respect for the character)
- despite exploring some of the secondary characters' psychology - why they do what they do and how they feel about it - at least in the first 200+ books it never got into Rhodan's head
- the first bits of the series was about Rhodan getting supplied with alien technology, eventually getting "accepted" as ruler of the earth, since he obviously knew best, and becoming immune to old age and disease, so the series could go on and on forever : Ni+Se

The exploration of the odyssey of one single character, as in a hero, is more Gamma. But I don't think this is Gamma, because, again, you don't see events from Rhodan's own perspective.

[Variant]

I have this IEE teacher and he gave us this assignment (yet again)..I always keep asking this on this forum for help, ionno about you guys but books aren't my cup of tea. I don't enjoy sitting down to read a book every now and then-I'd rather be online...or playing something...or eating for that matter . No books seem to interest me -except some- but i don't remember which genres that I like....Can anyone suggest any books that EIE's would like to read? Perhaps something that will be suitable for assignments (analyzing themes and able to have a class discussions on the book)?

I'm hoping that my teacher doesn't kill me when he starts giving out all these suggestions as to why THIS book would be good for me. Why this? . At the very least can someone recommend me a book or suggest some genre/type of book that i would enjoy? Plz and thankyou

[discojoe]

I have this IEE teacher and he gave us this assignment (yet again)..I always keep asking this on this forum for help, ionno about you guys but books aren't my cup of tea. I don't enjoy sitting down to read a book every now and then-I'd rather be online...or playing something...or eating for that matter . No books seem to interest me -except some- but i don't remember which genres that I like....Can anyone suggest any books that EIE's would like to read? Perhaps something that will be suitable for assignments (analyzing themes and able to have a class discussions on the book)?

I'm hoping that my teacher doesn't kill me when he starts giving out all these suggestions as to why THIS book would be good for me. Why this? . At the very least can someone recommend me a book or suggest some genre/type of book that i would enjoy? Plz and thankyou

There are no type-related books. Think about some interest you may have, or something you may be curious about, then Google away or browse Amazon for titles relating to pertinent topics.

And ignore any condescending responses to your post. Reading should be something you feel encouraged to do to, not shamed.

[golden]

There are no type-related books. Think about some interest you may have, or something you may be curious about, then Google away or browse Amazon for titles relating to pertinent topics.

And ignore any condescending responses to your post. Reading should be something you feel encouraged to do to, not shamed.

Well, if I was condescending or shaming, I apologize. I did spend some time directly communicating with ReiLing before when s/he posted about a paper for this class, but there wasn't enough information on offer for me to be of any help.

A lot of my frustration on this topic is related to having worked in book publishing and education, two fields that both happen to be relevant to his posts about this class.

Not everyone has to be deeply into reading; some of the people I'm most fond of are not literary types (and some are extremely so). That said, I see learning to read well and write well as elements of learning to think well.

ReiLing seems, in posting about this class, to feel unconfident in it. That's unfortunate. A teacher ideally will give students the tools they need to feel confident in a given course. But if the teacher does not, it's up to the students to bootstrap. If students in general are disengaged, it probably results from lousy education practices, and from intelligence being defined too narrowly. But students, by the time they are old enough to be self-directed, are ultimately responsible for their learning. Hence my harshness.

[Variant]

Well, if I was condescending or shaming, I apologize. I did spend some time directly communicating with ReiLing before when s/he posted about a paper for this class, but there wasn't enough information on offer for me to be of any help.

A lot of my frustration on this topic is related to having worked in book publishing and education, two fields that both happen to be relevant to his posts about this class.

Not everyone has to be deeply into reading; some of the people I'm most fond of are not literary types (and some are extremely so). That said, I see learning to read well and write well as elements of learning to think well.

ReiLing seems, in posting about this class, to feel unconfident in it. That's unfortunate. A teacher ideally will give students the tools they need to feel confident in a given course. But if the teacher does not, it's up to the students to bootstrap. If students in general are disengaged, it probably results from lousy education practices, and from intelligence being defined too narrowly. But students, by the time they are old enough to be self-directed, are ultimately responsible for their learning. Hence my harshness.

Lol i never expected that many responses o.o, quite frankly it seems that I'm trying to find like the "perfect book" for my ISU. I need a book where i could talk about it at least for 10 minutes -plus PaSsioNately . My friends told me that I should avoid books that i hate...and since i don't read books often i can't discern what's "best" or maybe that's just myself doubting lol. Most books i read are "okay" with me but again I haven't read many books, so I forget about my preferences. Btw i say "yet again" because I don't feel too good about posting about "getting help" or whatever from forums, but it's always good since I get one more source of advice from them. I don't know if you can make a connection there but that's what i think when i come barging in for help.

But anyways I liked your post golden, it's a great reminder for me seeing that it's past mid-terms for me and the relaxing part is starting to kick in. When i read your post it really hit the spot lol, started thinking about a lot of things during lunch. Thank you for your post, i appreciate it

[Variant]

By the way just so you know...it's not all doom and gloom for my English class. I'm actually doing fairly well. Finished my essays and other assignments without requiring that much external help, ionno I go on the forums for help whenever i start doubting. And since my teacher loves to help his students, he can only gives suggestions-and sometimes the suggestions aren't what i need.

Recently i paired up with a Fe-EIE to do a presentation...I already saw that many problems would occur between him and I. So we started early a week before the presentation -3 days we were quite distracted and brainstormed a little bit, the next 3 days we spent a LOT of time on our thesis and quotes. Took us like 2 hours to think/refine of a thesis that was perfect for us, then it took even longer to find quotes. Stayed up until 5:00 in the morning to get 7 quotes + make something out of it. In the end when we presented, we could only bring up 3 quotes because...our presentation was too long. I srsly thought that we didn't have enough, but oh well. So much for working our asses off.

He did most of the talking about philosophy/life/family/a little and i focused mainly on the content of our seminar. It went fairly smooth...teacher was really impressed with our presentation. With that said, i should really reconsider pairing up with my identical next time...

[golden]

Lol i never expected that many responses o.o, quite frankly it seems that I'm trying to find like the "perfect book" for my ISU. I need a book where i could talk about it at least for 10 minutes -plus PaSsioNately . My friends told me that I should avoid books that i hate...and since i don't read books often i can't discern what's "best" or maybe that's just myself doubting lol. Most books i read are "okay" with me but again I haven't read many books, so I forget about my preferences. Btw i say "yet again" because I don't feel too good about posting about "getting help" or whatever from forums, but it's always good since I get one more source of advice from them. I don't know if you can make a connection there but that's what i think when i come barging in for help.

But anyways I liked your post golden, it's a great reminder for me seeing that it's past mid-terms for me and the relaxing part is starting to kick in. When i read your post it really hit the spot lol, started thinking about a lot of things during lunch. Thank you for your post, i appreciate it

Okay, I'm relieved I didn't piss you off, lol.

You're correct when you say that you need to find something you're passionate about. Just think of some subjects that interest you and search Amazon for some books on those topics, read the reviews, etc.

What things are you interested in?

[EyeSeeCold]

Mein Kampf?

[Morcheeba]

Mein Kampf?

Haha, very funny. I don't think this is type related to be honest. Well I guess intuitives would like something more abstract in comparison to sensors, idk. Wow it took me a long time to type this, i just took MDMA so everything is kinda weird right now, lol.

[EyeSeeCold]

Seriously, I can only recommend Existentialist/Absurdist books which would appeal to the Ni.

And, going off stereotypes, dramatized historical (non)fiction. Shakespeare even.

[silke]

Seriously, I can only recommend Existentialist/Absurdist books which would appeal to the Ni.

existentialist yes, absurdist no - absurdist humor/literature is what Ne-types seem to like

[Morcheeba]

Seriously, I can only recommend Existentialist/Absurdist books which would appeal to the Ni.

And, going off stereotypes, dramatized historical (non)fiction. Shakespeare even.

That's really weird that you mention Absurdism. I just looked that up a few days ago because I came across it somewhere when I was reading about a Existentialism. Yeah, they are similar, it's not really like the Theistic existentialism though.

[Korpsy Knievel]

Seriously, I can only recommend Existentialist/Absurdist books which would appeal to the Ni.

And, going off stereotypes, dramatized historical (non)fiction. Shakespeare even.

It's awesome how every time I beat you senseless in a thread you suddenly adopt whatever weapon I used against you so you can perpetuate your fraudulent "I'M ILI 4 RILLZ!" campaign.

[ClaudiaM]

I am looking for a good book to read (or several), and with the current lack of betas in my life, it would be nice to at least get to read about some. Any recommendations??

[Gilly]

HERMAN HESSE

PLEASE READ HERMAN HESSE

YOU WILL MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE

PLEASE

If you do read his major works, I advise reading in roughly this order:

Demian -> Siddhartha -> Narcissus and Goldmund -> Steppenwolf -> Glass Bead Game (should definitely be last)

[Hemoglobin]

Siddhartha <3

[Gilly]

Siddhartha <3

Indeed.



The thought of more people reading Herman Hesse makes me very, very happy.

You have to be ready for Steppenwolf, though. That shit is heavy. Not just anybody can read that book; my sister actually gave up reading it because she said it was too bleak and depressing. That book fucking radiates dark energy.

[GuavaDrunk]

You have to be ready for Steppenwolf, though. That shit is heavy. Not just anybody can read that book; my sister actually gave up reading it because she said it was too bleak and depressing. That book fucking radiates dark energy.

I started with it and it's a fantastic book. Would you advise still reading his other works before GBG?

[ClaudiaM]

HERMAN HESSE

PLEASE READ HERMAN HESSE

YOU WILL MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE

PLEASE

If you do read his major works, I advise reading in roughly this order:

Demian -> Siddhartha -> Narcissus and Goldmund -> Steppenwolf -> Glass Bead Game (should definitely be last)

Thank you, Gilly I own GBG already but have not read it. I will take your advice and start with Demian. If I remember, I will report back with feedback

[silverchris9]

Most of Shakespeare's major tragedies are about betas: Romeo and Juliet, Hamlet, Othello (I consider Iago IEI), Antony and Cleopatra (Cleopatra = EIE), etc. You could argue that the Macbeths are betas (perhaps EIE and SLE).

Also Percy Shelley was IEI. So there's one.

[Gilly]

What kinds of books do you usually like to read? I can probably recommend slews.

[domino]

I am looking for a good book to read (or several), and with the current lack of betas in my life, it would be nice to at least get to read about some. Any recommendations??

I do recommend something from Witold Gombrowicz. "Ferdydurke" or his diaries.
I think he's EIE

[ashlesha]

truman capote

[Gilly]

Neil Gaiman
Herman Hesse
Ray Bradbury

More stuff

[Radio]

kurt vonnegut, albert camus, f scott fitzgerald, aldous huxley

[FoxOnStilts]

kurt vonnegut

Really? I want Vonnegut.

Most romance novels seem super beta.

[munenori2]

jack kerouac, ernest hemingway

[Galen]

ernest hemingway

Man fuck hemingway

[ashlesha]

jim goad