Beta recommeded reading books/authors

[vroooooom]

William Shakespeare - ENFj or INFp
Hans Christian Andersen - INFp
Alan Alexander Milne (Winnie the Pooh) - INFp
Tolkien - INFp
Lois McMaster Bujold- ESTp sci-fi writer? Sounds very odd but she talks alot about honour and war and she seems to be very good tactician and I have 2 ESTp friends which are big fans of her often. They love to recite her.
Chuck Palahniuk - INFp

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[anndelise]

William Shakespeare - ENFj or INFp
Hans Christian Andersen - INFp
Alan Alexander Milne (Winnie the Pooh) - INFp
Tolkien - INFp
Lois McMaster Bujold- ESTp sci-fi writer? Sounds very odd be she talks alot about honour and war and she seems to be very good tactician and I have 2 ESTp friends which are big fans of her often. They love to recite her.
Chuck Palahniuk - INFp

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I thought Tolkien was an intp.
(I'm not saying he is or isn't...only that that was what i had thought.)

[vroooooom]

some MBTI sites type him as INFp I think.

[Scrummy]

I'm pretty sure Shakespeare was ENTj nowadays.

[FDG]

I agree on Beta quadra for Palahniuk. However, I think ESTp is possible for him as well.

[Fermi]

anyone got any ideas about robert jordan, or Robin hobb (its a pseadonym) ?

[Expat]

Anyone here ever heard of the incredibly long, never-ending German science-fiction paperback series called Perry Rhodan?

I read the first 200 volumes (or around that) before I got tired of it, but now I realize it's a good example of Beta science fiction. At least the first volumes were translated into English -- or I suppose nobody ever heard of it?

[ScarlettLux]

How is it Beta?

[Expat]

Well, have you heard of it? Or do I have to say what it's about first?

[guest32456]

A quick look on Wikipedia (yes, it's got a bad reputation, but I like it for general things like this) made Perry Rhodan seem more like a history of human space exploration than a novel as such.

I'd be very interested to hear how it's Beta.

Expat, have you read the Night's Dawn Trilogy?

Best,

[inumbra]

I haven't heard of it. But I am curious why you think it is Beta nonetheless...

[Expat]

It's difficult to explain without getting into a lengthy detailed description of the series, which I may do at some time but not now.

But, essentially:

- it has an Aristocratic feel, as in "we, a small band of brothers, under wise and strong leadership, are going to fix the world despite opposition from those who don't know better"
- its main character, Rhodan, is a sort of "ISTj without any weaknesses" who is obviously meant to be seen as a role model, and the reader is meant to identify with him
- his main sidekick, who's well into Fe (although perhaps more like ESFj than ENFj), is often the center of any attempt of the series at humor, and he seems to amuse Rhodan, but Rhodan himself is never, ever, made to appear less than perfect (he makes mistakes, but these do not usually make you lose your supposed respect for the character)
- despite exploring some of the secondary characters' psychology - why they do what they do and how they feel about it - at least in the first 200+ books it never got into Rhodan's head
- the first bits of the series was about Rhodan getting supplied with alien technology, eventually getting "accepted" as ruler of the earth, since he obviously knew best, and becoming immune to old age and disease, so the series could go on and on forever : Ni+Se

The exploration of the odyssey of one single character, as in a hero, is more Gamma. But I don't think this is Gamma, because, again, you don't see events from Rhodan's own perspective.

[Variant]

I have this IEE teacher and he gave us this assignment (yet again)..I always keep asking this on this forum for help, ionno about you guys but books aren't my cup of tea. I don't enjoy sitting down to read a book every now and then-I'd rather be online...or playing something...or eating for that matter . No books seem to interest me -except some- but i don't remember which genres that I like....Can anyone suggest any books that EIE's would like to read? Perhaps something that will be suitable for assignments (analyzing themes and able to have a class discussions on the book)?

I'm hoping that my teacher doesn't kill me when he starts giving out all these suggestions as to why THIS book would be good for me. Why this? . At the very least can someone recommend me a book or suggest some genre/type of book that i would enjoy? Plz and thankyou

[EyeSeeCold]

Mein Kampf?

[Morcheeba]

Mein Kampf?

Haha, very funny. I don't think this is type related to be honest. Well I guess intuitives would like something more abstract in comparison to sensors, idk. Wow it took me a long time to type this, i just took MDMA so everything is kinda weird right now, lol.

[EyeSeeCold]

Seriously, I can only recommend Existentialist/Absurdist books which would appeal to the Ni.

And, going off stereotypes, dramatized historical (non)fiction. Shakespeare even.

[silke]

Seriously, I can only recommend Existentialist/Absurdist books which would appeal to the Ni.

existentialist yes, absurdist no - absurdist humor/literature is what Ne-types seem to like

[EyeSeeCold]

existentialist yes, absurdist no - absurdist humor/literature is what Ne-types seem to like

I didn't say anything about humor. What is your idea of Absurdism?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdism

[silke]

I didn't say anything about humor. What is your idea of Absurdism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdism

books, makes little differences

I find it annoying. I had a LII friend who kept giving me these absurdist stories to read and this kind of literature would just irk me.

[EyeSeeCold]

books, makes little differences

I find it annoying. I had a LII friend who kept giving me these absurdist stories to read and this kind of literature would just irk me.

Can you distinguish between Existentialism and Absurdism? They're pretty close for you to be saying one is of one quadra and not the other.

Though I know one INFj that's into Absurdism.

[Morcheeba]

Seriously, I can only recommend Existentialist/Absurdist books which would appeal to the Ni.

And, going off stereotypes, dramatized historical (non)fiction. Shakespeare even.

That's really weird that you mention Absurdism. I just looked that up a few days ago because I came across it somewhere when I was reading about a Existentialism. Yeah, they are similar, it's not really like the Theistic existentialism though.

[Korpsy Knievel]

Seriously, I can only recommend Existentialist/Absurdist books which would appeal to the Ni.

And, going off stereotypes, dramatized historical (non)fiction. Shakespeare even.

It's awesome how every time I beat you senseless in a thread you suddenly adopt whatever weapon I used against you so you can perpetuate your fraudulent "I'M ILI 4 RILLZ!" campaign.

[EyeSeeCold]

It's awesome how every time I beat you senseless in a thread you suddenly adopt whatever weapon I used against you so you can perpetuate your fraudulent "I'M ILI 4 RILLZ!" campaign.

Yeah...or maybe you're just schizophrenic.

[Absurd]

Try comic books.

[golden]

This is going to sound a little bitchy, maybe, but my reaction was, sarcastically--

Oh, noes, a teacher told you to read a book? How dare he? It's an assignment "yet again"? How lame--a teacher who gives assignments!!!!!

And I feel somewhat justified in that sarcasm because I tried to be helpful and supportive when you posted about this teacher before. To me, you don't sound very motivated. You don't sound like someone who understands (yet) that learning requires a lot of effort.

Maybe I'm leaping to a conclusion here because I once worked in a university writing lab, and the freshman lab users in particular appeared to believe that their papers would write themselves, or that I would write their papers for them, and that good grades are handed out for merely being alive and attending class sometimes. They suffered from what my professor friends refer to as "entitlement."

Imo, there should not be any quick and easy list of "books EIEs like to read." Reading is a lifelong journey, and an individual one. I know an EIE who reads mainly political and history books; I know one who reads a lot of dramatic works; I know one who hated school and never went to university but will read almost anything he can get his hands on.

The way to know if you like to read something is to pick it up and start reading it. If you have so little experience with books that you can't imagine where to begin or how to assess whether you are enjoying it, you might think of some subjects that interest you and search for books on those topics, then look at reviews on Amazon. I expect there are some lists online of books recommended for people who don't like to read, too. And possibly a librarian will take pity on you and put a good book in your hands.

[FDG]

Keynes' "General theory of employment, interest and money" could be a good start. Another option might be the original german version of Kant's "Kritik der reinen Vernunft".

[yellow82]

My EIE brother's favorite book is: The Pilgrim's Progress.

Not sure this helps, but thought I'd point it out. . . it's one of the biggest best-sellers of all time.

He also liked: A Walk to Remember and The Notebook.

But yeah, he HATES reading. I wonder if that's an EIE thing?

[golden]

Keynes' "General theory of employment, interest and money" could be a good start. Another option might be the original german version of Kant's "Kritik der reinen Vernunft".

Nice.

But yeah, he HATES reading. I wonder if that's an EIE thing?

No, it's not an EIE thing. It's a cultural epidemic.

[yellow82]

I guess I should re-word that. It's not like my brother HATES reading, it's more like he often considers it a waste of time. . . he's too busy living out his social life and work life to be bothered with reading boring books that wisdom he often considers impractical.

[FDG]

I guess I should re-word that. It's not like my brother HATES reading, it's more like he often considers it a waste of time. . . he's too busy living out his social life and work life to be bothered with reading boring books that wisdom he often considers impractical.

Often, considering wisdom impractical is just a cop-out, because taking up reading after a long interruption isn't that easy, especially if you want to read something complex. Just like some people which are deeply into academics might consider sports as "useless" because humans don't require exercise anymore. I do have some friends that consider any time spent reading anything theorethical as "wasted", but I personally am a fan of this famous quote from Keynes:

The ideas of economists and political philosophers, both when they are right and when they are wrong, are more powerful than is commonly understood. Indeed the world is ruled by little else. Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist. Madmen in authority, who hear voices in the air, are distilling their frenzy from some academic scribbler of a few years back

(of course, you could replace economics with any other form of philosophy, but the sentence was written in an economics book)

[discojoe]

I have this IEE teacher and he gave us this assignment (yet again)..I always keep asking this on this forum for help, ionno about you guys but books aren't my cup of tea. I don't enjoy sitting down to read a book every now and then-I'd rather be online...or playing something...or eating for that matter . No books seem to interest me -except some- but i don't remember which genres that I like....Can anyone suggest any books that EIE's would like to read? Perhaps something that will be suitable for assignments (analyzing themes and able to have a class discussions on the book)?

I'm hoping that my teacher doesn't kill me when he starts giving out all these suggestions as to why THIS book would be good for me. Why this? . At the very least can someone recommend me a book or suggest some genre/type of book that i would enjoy? Plz and thankyou

There are no type-related books. Think about some interest you may have, or something you may be curious about, then Google away or browse Amazon for titles relating to pertinent topics.

And ignore any condescending responses to your post. Reading should be something you feel encouraged to do to, not shamed.

[golden]

There are no type-related books. Think about some interest you may have, or something you may be curious about, then Google away or browse Amazon for titles relating to pertinent topics.

And ignore any condescending responses to your post. Reading should be something you feel encouraged to do to, not shamed.

Well, if I was condescending or shaming, I apologize. I did spend some time directly communicating with ReiLing before when s/he posted about a paper for this class, but there wasn't enough information on offer for me to be of any help.

A lot of my frustration on this topic is related to having worked in book publishing and education, two fields that both happen to be relevant to his posts about this class.

Not everyone has to be deeply into reading; some of the people I'm most fond of are not literary types (and some are extremely so). That said, I see learning to read well and write well as elements of learning to think well.

ReiLing seems, in posting about this class, to feel unconfident in it. That's unfortunate. A teacher ideally will give students the tools they need to feel confident in a given course. But if the teacher does not, it's up to the students to bootstrap. If students in general are disengaged, it probably results from lousy education practices, and from intelligence being defined too narrowly. But students, by the time they are old enough to be self-directed, are ultimately responsible for their learning. Hence my harshness.

[Variant]

Well, if I was condescending or shaming, I apologize. I did spend some time directly communicating with ReiLing before when s/he posted about a paper for this class, but there wasn't enough information on offer for me to be of any help.

A lot of my frustration on this topic is related to having worked in book publishing and education, two fields that both happen to be relevant to his posts about this class.

Not everyone has to be deeply into reading; some of the people I'm most fond of are not literary types (and some are extremely so). That said, I see learning to read well and write well as elements of learning to think well.

ReiLing seems, in posting about this class, to feel unconfident in it. That's unfortunate. A teacher ideally will give students the tools they need to feel confident in a given course. But if the teacher does not, it's up to the students to bootstrap. If students in general are disengaged, it probably results from lousy education practices, and from intelligence being defined too narrowly. But students, by the time they are old enough to be self-directed, are ultimately responsible for their learning. Hence my harshness.

Lol i never expected that many responses o.o, quite frankly it seems that I'm trying to find like the "perfect book" for my ISU. I need a book where i could talk about it at least for 10 minutes -plus PaSsioNately . My friends told me that I should avoid books that i hate...and since i don't read books often i can't discern what's "best" or maybe that's just myself doubting lol. Most books i read are "okay" with me but again I haven't read many books, so I forget about my preferences. Btw i say "yet again" because I don't feel too good about posting about "getting help" or whatever from forums, but it's always good since I get one more source of advice from them. I don't know if you can make a connection there but that's what i think when i come barging in for help.

But anyways I liked your post golden, it's a great reminder for me seeing that it's past mid-terms for me and the relaxing part is starting to kick in. When i read your post it really hit the spot lol, started thinking about a lot of things during lunch. Thank you for your post, i appreciate it

[Variant]

By the way just so you know...it's not all doom and gloom for my English class. I'm actually doing fairly well. Finished my essays and other assignments without requiring that much external help, ionno I go on the forums for help whenever i start doubting. And since my teacher loves to help his students, he can only gives suggestions-and sometimes the suggestions aren't what i need.

Recently i paired up with a Fe-EIE to do a presentation...I already saw that many problems would occur between him and I. So we started early a week before the presentation -3 days we were quite distracted and brainstormed a little bit, the next 3 days we spent a LOT of time on our thesis and quotes. Took us like 2 hours to think/refine of a thesis that was perfect for us, then it took even longer to find quotes. Stayed up until 5:00 in the morning to get 7 quotes + make something out of it. In the end when we presented, we could only bring up 3 quotes because...our presentation was too long. I srsly thought that we didn't have enough, but oh well. So much for working our asses off.

He did most of the talking about philosophy/life/family/a little and i focused mainly on the content of our seminar. It went fairly smooth...teacher was really impressed with our presentation. With that said, i should really reconsider pairing up with my identical next time...

[golden]

Lol i never expected that many responses o.o, quite frankly it seems that I'm trying to find like the "perfect book" for my ISU. I need a book where i could talk about it at least for 10 minutes -plus PaSsioNately . My friends told me that I should avoid books that i hate...and since i don't read books often i can't discern what's "best" or maybe that's just myself doubting lol. Most books i read are "okay" with me but again I haven't read many books, so I forget about my preferences. Btw i say "yet again" because I don't feel too good about posting about "getting help" or whatever from forums, but it's always good since I get one more source of advice from them. I don't know if you can make a connection there but that's what i think when i come barging in for help.

But anyways I liked your post golden, it's a great reminder for me seeing that it's past mid-terms for me and the relaxing part is starting to kick in. When i read your post it really hit the spot lol, started thinking about a lot of things during lunch. Thank you for your post, i appreciate it

Okay, I'm relieved I didn't piss you off, lol.

You're correct when you say that you need to find something you're passionate about. Just think of some subjects that interest you and search Amazon for some books on those topics, read the reviews, etc.

What things are you interested in?

[Variant]

Okay, I'm relieved I didn't piss you off, lol.

You're correct when you say that you need to find something you're passionate about. Just think of some subjects that interest you and search Amazon for some books on those topics, read the reviews, etc.

What things are you interested in?

If i knew right now I would be spazzing lol. I'm still searching ><, but i think the links with the personalitycafe INFJ book thingies helped. Maybe 1 book in there was alright, by the way what was that book written by the russian author (with the 16 personality types present). I swear i saw that somewhere..

[ClaudiaM]

I am looking for a good book to read (or several), and with the current lack of betas in my life, it would be nice to at least get to read about some. Any recommendations??

[Gilly]

HERMAN HESSE

PLEASE READ HERMAN HESSE

YOU WILL MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE

PLEASE

If you do read his major works, I advise reading in roughly this order:

Demian -> Siddhartha -> Narcissus and Goldmund -> Steppenwolf -> Glass Bead Game (should definitely be last)

[Hemoglobin]

Siddhartha <3

[ClaudiaM]

HERMAN HESSE

PLEASE READ HERMAN HESSE

YOU WILL MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE

PLEASE

If you do read his major works, I advise reading in roughly this order:

Demian -> Siddhartha -> Narcissus and Goldmund -> Steppenwolf -> Glass Bead Game (should definitely be last)

Thank you, Gilly I own GBG already but have not read it. I will take your advice and start with Demian. If I remember, I will report back with feedback