Beta recommeded reading books/authors

[munenori2]

Jonathan Safran Foer (probably Nicole Krauss too), James Joyce, Oscar Wilde

I was hoping he was a weird SEI but I guess IEI makes more sense *sheds a single tear*

[munenori2]

pffbhfh
"I went over there. She was there. We talked. We stopped talking. I walked away from her. I sat down at the table. I saw a scone. I ate the scone."
That is Hemingway to me. Admittedly I haven't read any of his short stories, if they're more interesting than what I've just wrote then maybe I'll check them out.

I've only read hemingway's short stories, no novels. Hills Like White Elephants and The Short Life of Francis Macomber are pretty good.

[munenori2]

Oh, I'll throw out H.P. Lovecraft but that's more a subconscious goading to you guys to put him a quadra.

[munenori2]

haruki murakami?

[Radio]

both murakami and lovecraft are INTj imo.

[Gilly]

Which is only natural. Ayn Rand was an idiot and, unlike Hemingway, she couldn't write for twat scum.

She wasn't the best writer, granted. But The Fountainhead was a damn good book. I couldn't finish Atlas Shrugged though, it didn't have the same soul.

[Scapegrace]

She wasn't the best writer, granted. But The Fountainhead was a damn good book. I couldn't finish Atlas Shrugged though, it didn't have the same soul.

Ayn Rand didn't have a soul.

[Gilly]

[Scapegrace]

Hannah Arendt is the great female thinker of that generation.

[Gilly]

sigh...I am not an objectivist or Rand culty person, I just liked The Fountainhead...

[Scapegrace]

sigh...I am not an objectivist or Rand culty person, I just liked The Fountainhead...

Dawww. Gilly, you know me. I'm just being a jerk. It's okay to like The Fountainhead. Although I maintain that she was dumb and more than a little bit evil. hah

[Gilly]

Dawww. Gilly, you know me. I'm just being a jerk. It's okay to like The Fountainhead. Although I maintain that she was dumb. hah

Lol its not always about how smart they are

[Scapegrace]

Which is why I edited it to add that she was "more than a little bit evil." Come to think of it I think she and T.S. Eliot would have gotten along splendidly.

Look! It's the Gilly and Scapegrace show.

I can actually see Rands appeal a little bit. She was extremely passionate and a lot of people find that it itself very compelling. I'm a skeptic. I need something to back up passion and she dont gots da goodz.

[Scapegrace]

To make up for my Rand spew I submit:

Vladimir Nabokov

and

William Faulkner

and

W. H. Auden

[Gilly]

Evil is a strong word...selfish, yeah, and I know she tries to make that out to be a virtue, which I disagree with, at least in the degree that she promotes it. But I admire the commitment to authenticity and a personal vision, and her lauding of those who make something out of nothing is appreciable, even if it doesn't really apply to her.

TS Eliot was too much of a half-hearted preacher to get along with Rand, I think.

[sarinana]

Anais Nin. My goddess!

[Gilly]

To make up for my Rand spew I submit:

Vladimir Nabokov

and

William Faulkner

and

W. H. Auden

Everyone's all about Master and the Margarita these days...is it Hipster vogue or something?

Also Faulkner is overrated IMO...

[Scapegrace]

Everyone's all about Master and the Margarita these days...is it Hipster vogue or something?

Also Faulkner is overrated IMO...

Do look like a hipster to you? I had not heard of that book until just now and it didn't pass my first paragraph test. It was written by some Russian hack, not Nabokov.

As for Faulkner people either love him or they hate him. He tends to inspire pretty intense feelings. I'm one of the very few French sitters I know. I don't like most of his popular work, but I thought Sanctuary was quite good and I tend to like the short stories too.

[Pookie]

I actually really like T.S. Eliot's writing.

[Gilly]

Do look like a hipster to you? I had not heard of that book until just now and it didn't pass my first paragraph test. It was written by some Russian hack, not Nabokov.

Ah yeah, Bulgakov. Only room for so many Slavic prefixes in my brain...

As for Faulkner people either love him or they hate him. He tends to inspire pretty intense feelings. I'm one of the very few French sitters I know. I don't like most of his popular work, but I thought Sanctuary was quite good and I tend to like the short stories too.

I haven't read Sanctuary. Maybe Ill give it a chance. I found A Rose for Emily boring.

[mu4]

Now Team Woland or Team Behemoth... I'm going to go Team Behemoth.

[silke]

George Orwell - ISTj
Leo Tolstoy - ENFj
W. Somerset Maugham - ISTj


I could never get into Hemingway, even though I've attempted reading him several times but every time I get overwhelmed by these feelings of pointlessness, and hopelessness, and despair and then have to set the book aside. I've later found this quote attributed to him, which mirrored my impressions of him: "There is nothing to writing. All you do is sit down at a typewriter and bleed." - and that's exactly what he did.

[DeleteMeModsPls]

I'd appreciate it if you guys could post some practical books (like on HR, marketing or whatever) written by the Beta quadra representatives. Just share whoever you know, could be on any subject. I ask because I don't want to run around doing things e.g. the Delta way.

The list:
Donald Trump- The Art of the Deal xD [Business]

[lynn]

i really wish there was some Ti-heavy cookbook or something ... or let's say Ti-everything.

[Cosmic Teapot]

From wikisocion http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Beta

- focus on larger groups where participation is "collective"
- likely "domination" by more assertive individuals.
- discuss topics that everyone could contribute to
- draw attention to people who might otherwise feel left out

- discussion of ideas involving present trends and political implications,
- strong views voiced
- not talking about personal matters
- don't like it when people tell long, slow stories
- try to be polite and listen to the story

- confident analysing realistic characteristics of situations
- energized by competitive situations where analytical tactics are emphasized.
- special meaning with "poetic" or "dramatic" expressions and language.
- deeply concerned about social issues and the direction the world is heading
- apathy is a significant cause of societal problems

Not exactly "practical" books, but probably Beta topics:


The Will To Power - Friedrich Nietzsche


influence: The Psychology of Persuasion - Cialdini, Robert B., PhD

How to win friends and influence people- Dale Carnegie

Games People Play: The Psychology of Human Relationships

Psychology of Crowds - Gustave Le Bon

Tribes - Seth Godin


The 48 Laws of Power, The Art of Seduction, Mastery - Robert Greene


Civilization: The Six Killer Apps of Western Power - Niall Ferguson

The Unwinding: Thirty Years of American Decline - George Packer

Why We Can't Wait - Martin Luther King, Jr

Crystallizing Public Opinion( Propaganda) - Edward Bernays


Autobiography of Martin Luther King, Jr , Steve Jobs


Fiction:

The man in the high castle - Philip K. Dick

George Orwell's 1984

A Clockwork Orange - Anthony Burgess
(Alex: pretty obv. ENFj imo)

[DeleteMeModsPls]

good stuff

Thank you

On the second thought I won't edit the list, since it would ignore your description, let's treat the one-book list rather as an inspiration. Plus idk how to fit them all into categories

[silke]

Riane Eisler - EIE-Ni sp/so (her book is simply drowning in Ni + soc creative)


"Why do we hunt and persecute each other? Why is our world so full of man’s infamous inhumanity to man—and to woman? How can human beings be so brutal to their own kind? What is it that chronically tilts us toward cruelty rather than kindness, toward war rather than peace, toward destruction rather than actualisation?
Of all life forms on this planet, only we can plant and harvest fields, compose poetry and music, seek truth and justice, teach a child to read and write…. Because of our unique ability to imagine new realities and realize these through ever more advanced technologies, we are quite literally partners in our own evolution."


https://www.amazon.com/Chalice-Blade.../dp/0062502891

[silke]

Chris Hedges is likely Ni-IEI so/sp 1w2, writing books with such Beta contra-flow titles as War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning and Empire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle.

one of his latest publications