Joy's quadra

**Joy** · 08-21-2012, 02:52 AM

Originally Posted by Loki

i kind of suspect ESI, but i don't expect anyone to agree

"That thought actually crossed my mind the other day. I do seem to be primarily preoccupied with Ti and Fi these days, and that Ti feels natural and Fi is always an area of anxiety. And then I remembered that nothing good comes from typing myself (or others), so I stopped.

I've got this coworker that focuses on both Fi and Ti as well, and we seem to butt heads a lot. His default responses seem to be Fi, but he thinks they're objective and logical until we really get into the discussion, and then once we get to the bottom of his argument it's always Fi in nature. And he's so god damn pushy and stubborn and controlling. Thinks he has the right to make demands when he's clearly not following company policies and procedures. And his priorities are backwards.

jesus christ, I'm doing it again.

Okay, it's not a type thing. He's just psycho."

said drunk angry Joy

**Korpsy Knievel** · 08-21-2012, 01:05 PM

Explain why so many people hate you. Your type is of no interest.

**Joy** · 09-03-2012, 03:13 AM

Originally Posted by k0rpsy

Explain why so many people hate you.

"So many"? How many times have you and I interacted? Most of the people who behave aggressively towards me when I stop by these days haven't been members here for long. They weren't around when I was around a lot, so they don't really know much about me other than what they hear from others and how they see a select few act towards me. It's not a genuine hatred.

Now, on to those who I actually have personally offended at some point:

For some I threatened their identities, primarily through challenging their self-typings, and gradually influencing a shift in the general consensus regarding their types. I never said "I told you so" once a general consensus of a person's type shifted, or was at least heavily debated by others, months after I had first made the suggestion and been called crazy, which was a passive aggressive behavior on my part. This may have understandably created resentment.

For some it was a matter of irritation that through sheer force of presence (as I was on here most of my waking hours), and allowed primarily through my ability to use the theory's terminology in a somehow cohesive way, I influenced the some forum members' understanding of Socionics. Like I knew just enough to be dangerous.

For some it was largely a matter of cliquishness. Their friends hated me and/or they hated my friends. Simple, but powerful.

For some it was due to my unseemly behavior. I've acted out here quite a bit. Ranted as if this were my own personal journal (showing a lack of respect for onlookers). Posted drunk more times than I care to imagine. Tweaked through most of my history here. Openly went through bouts of mania and depression. Very publically courted and married one of the most offensive people this community has ever known.

I changed my self-typing many times and vehemently argued most of the typings for longer than anyone had any patience for. Even many who liked me lost respect for me after all of that. And let's not forget my related series of long-term failed relationships. Each time I convinced myself I knew what was up. And yet I was always wrong.

Oh yes, and people generally find it unpleasant to be confronted with a person who tries to cover up severe depression by strongly asserting to themselves and everyone around them whatever jargon they've most recently read out of the self-help section of their local bookstore. There's nothing worse than a lost person who tells others how to get to where he/she assumes they want to go.

And worst of all, I wasn't bothered by anyone's attacks. Very few people here could ever hurt me no matter what they said or did. There was literally nothing they could possibly say, no matter what stops they pulled out or how hard they tried, that would ever bother me. This not only frustrated them further, but also made me an easy target. I VERY naively believed that if I wasn't hurt, it was fine, not realizing how this impacted impacted onlooking members and the community in general. Like a mother who believes that it's okay for her husband to hit her as long as he doesn't touch the kids.

So to answer your question, I don't know. I've listed some speculations based on my perceptions and experiences. Maybe it's simpler than that, maybe it's more complicated, maybe I'm way off base, maybe there are very few who actually even "hate" me. You'll have to ask them, whoever "they" are.

Your type is of no interest.

I'm beginning to feel the same. I herniated a disc towards the beginning of the year and have been in the process of quitting smoking and taking several pretty addictive medications (two of them long term) ever since. I'm almost off of the last one now. And I've begun to realize that I don't know who I am. I've been on mind altering drugs of one form or another for the last fifteen years. Once I've been off of everything for a substantial length of time I may be in a position to evaluate who I am, but I suspect I won't even need to do so if I'm healthy.

Creepy-pokeball · 09-03-2012, 04:04 AM

I think your post count was the likely cause.

**Scapegrace** · 09-03-2012, 04:12 AM

With all due respect, Joy, K0rpsy need not interact with you at all to know that you're widely disliked.

Have you ever personally Bashar al-Assad? No? And yet you're probably aware that he isn't well loved.

**Joy** · 09-03-2012, 04:12 AM

Originally Posted by Jadae2point0

I think your post count was the likely cause.

I was simply just talking too much? 0_o

Creepy-pokeball · 09-03-2012, 04:14 AM

For the most part, yes. The difference in your posts now from then is the clarity vs. overabundance.

**Joy** · 09-03-2012, 04:17 AM

interesting

Creepy-pokeball · 09-03-2012, 04:26 AM

Do you think I am incorrect? I am being purely honest about this.

**Joy** · 09-03-2012, 04:43 AM

Originally Posted by Jadae2point0

Do you think I am incorrect? I am being purely honest about this.

I really don't know, but it does make sense that this had something to do with it. Whatever it was that irritated people might not have been so bad if there hadn't been so damn much of it.

**anndelise** · 09-03-2012, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Joy

I really don't know, but it does make sense that this had something to do with it. Whatever it was that irritated people might not have been so bad if there hadn't been so damn much of it.

Back then, Joy was like a combination of Snaps and Maritsa.

She would put put a lot of misinformation, not only about socioinics, but abour herself. Not to say she was lying about herself. But because she would misuse the elements/functions. She often would talk about her interactions in the manner of "so I was talking to my estj boss, and he was focusing too much on Te and not enough on Ni so I gave him some Ni mixed with Ti, he responded with some Se, so I slapped him with some Fe and that made him shut up." And then she would use these kinds of descriptions as 'proof' of her type. And if someone could get her to be more specific about what she was calling 'Te' or whatever element, it was usually waaaaay off base.

And then, after months of this, she would change her type.

Which meant these descriptions changed...not in manner, but in which specific elements she was claiming was involved. And if someone talked about the type she was claiming to be, she would respond with how SHE's not that way, so their description must be wrong.

And then, after months of this, she would change her type.

Again, with all the irksomeness involved.

And each change of typing she was completely convinced of...until she'd learn more about socionics, or talk with someone else, and change her type again.

She was also prone to trying to act like whatever typing she was claiming at the moment. If she was a Te type, she,d go on and on about profit and efficiency, and getting things done, and goals, and saving for the future, etc. If she was a rational type she'd try to portray her rationality. If she was an irrational type, she'd talk about how spontaneous and forgetful and all-over-the-place she was. If she was an isfp, she'd talk about how lazy she was. And so on.

And then...to add onto all that...she also had Snaps' positive thinking mentality, and "the secret". And she would 'express' this all over the place. (related to her comments about the self-help stuff)

And a tendency to post when drunk.

As to her reasons why she wasn't broadly liked...i have no idea what she is referring to regarding 'threatening people's identities' and 'influencing a shift in consensus' unless she's referring to DJ's typing changes.

But all-in-all, i think Joy was basically harmless, just..annoying...as her post count can attest. (also consider that much of that post count got wiped out.)

**Shazaam** · 09-03-2012, 04:11 PM

Joy I just think the root of your issues is that you're just one of those people who think "compassion is a weakness" and so you attract men who don't really like you or care about you.

I understand the point. I mean if we are so nice to others how can we help ourselves. Blah blah blah.

But I'm a nice guy. I can hurt people still. I can wound them. I beat a dude up before. I've won physical contests. I can do it. I just think that stuff is silly. It's like you mock the heart. People don't like you because essentially you mock their feelings. Nobody likes that. You're like a vampire sometimes. Maybe you were abused as a child. I don't know. But why do that shit. Just knock it off. And Gilly and me and other males will stop trolling you.

So just don't think that. You taught me how to not play the victim. Now I'm gonna teach you that your empathy for others isn't a weakness. Now I've told people this before and then they say 'of course they know that.'

But I don't really feel that. If they really got it, there would be more of an Empathetic Reflection between them and me. =p There's still something holding them back.

My sister mocks nice guys. But then she whines about how much of a jerk real jerks are. "How could he do that to me." Because you bitch, you don't give people who are kind a chance. You think it's a weakness. Now you got a taste of what being mean is like and you cry. God I hate that shit and for good reason.

WOMEN THINK THEY CAN CHANGE SOCIOPATHS. YOU CANNOT. YOUR MOTHERLY COMPASSION AND WISDOM CANNOT DO IT. STOP IT RIGHT NOW. YOU ARE JUST HURTING YOURSELF. DO ALL WOMEN LIKE TO FEEL BRANDION IRONS' VOMIT ON THEIR FACE. DEAR FUCKING GOD WHY. JUST FUCKING WHY. JUST STAY BACK. DON'T TELL ME IT'S MORE COMPLICATED OR BALANCED. FUCK THAT SHIT. IT'S AN EXCUSE. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO YOU STUPID WOMAN. I SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOU. DEAR FUCKING GOD STOP IT. JUST STOP NOW.

Okay. I'm better.

**blackburry** · 09-03-2012, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by anndelise

Back then, Joy was like a combination of Snaps and Maritsa.

She would put put a lot of misinformation, not only about socioinics, but abour herself. Not to say she was lying about herself. But because she would misuse the elements/functions. She often would talk about her interactions in the manner of "so I was talking to my estj boss, and he was focusing too much on Te and not enough on Ni so I gave him some Ni mixed with Ti, he responded with some Se, so I slapped him with some Fe and that made him shut up." And then she would use these kinds of descriptions as 'proof' of her type. And if someone could get her to be more specific about what she was calling 'Te' or whatever element, it was usually waaaaay off base.

And then, after months of this, she would change her type.

Which meant these descriptions changed...not in manner, but in which specific elements she was claiming was involved. And if someone talked about the type she was claiming to be, she would respond with how SHE's not that way, so their description must be wrong.

And then, after months of this, she would change her type.

Again, with all the irksomeness involved.

And each change of typing she was completely convinced of...until she'd learn more about socionics, or talk with someone else, and change her type again.

She was also prone to trying to act like whatever typing she was claiming at the moment. If she was a Te type, she,d go on and on about profit and efficiency, and getting things done, and goals, and saving for the future, etc. If she was a rational type she'd try to portray her rationality. If she was an irrational type, she'd talk about how spontaneous and forgetful and all-over-the-place she was. If she was an isfp, she'd talk about how lazy she was. And so on.

And then...to add onto all that...she also had Snaps' positive thinking mentality, and "the secret". And she would 'express' this all over the place. (related to her comments about the self-help stuff)

And a tendency to post when drunk.

As to her reasons why she wasn't broadly liked...i have no idea what she is referring to regarding 'threatening people's identities' and 'influencing a shift in consensus' unless she's referring to DJ's typing changes.

But all-in-all, i think Joy was basically harmless, just..annoying...as her post count can attest. (also consider that much of that post count got wiped out.)

I didn't have an account until '10 but I did read this site once in a while, and you pretty much hit it on the mark from my experience (which is a small).

**Joy** · 09-04-2012, 04:16 AM

Wow, I forgot how angry I was. And worried.

BulletsAndDoves, I appreciate your concern. I'm okay now though. (: I'm with a very kind and sweet guy now who treats my son and I very well. We've been together almost a year and a half now.

Creepy-pokeball · 09-04-2012, 05:00 AM

You're taking this is good stride, which is kind of nice, because it feels like an actual conversation now.

**Scapegrace** · 09-04-2012, 05:10 AM

You do seem to be doing much better now, Joy. I am very glad.

**Joy** · 09-04-2012, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Jadae2point0

You're taking this is good stride, which is kind of nice, because it feels like an actual conversation now.

Well for whatever it's worth, I always communicated with and related to people the best I knew how to. I was also trying desperately to convince myself that everything made sense and that it was all going to be okay.

Originally Posted by Scapegrace

You do seem to be doing much better now, Joy. I am very glad.

Thanks!