In the following threads, two views of ESFj are presented:

http://the16types.info/forums/viewto...=4301&start=45
http://the16types.info/forums/viewto...r=asc&start=60

One extreme: nurturing, friendly people who are willing to do all the grunt work and are not very demanding themselves.

Another extreme: overbearing, demanding type-A personalities who are illogical but still want everyone to do things their way and get angry if that doesn't happen.

These views seem pretty opposite. Which ones are the real ESFjs?