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    I'll quickly explain the premise. I know a number of us here are into Socionics as it is, though I was thinking of a clearer categorization for people, that deals with the fact that all four types within a quadra have the same values and get along the best, but all four come from different sets of strengths: namely the reknown NT, NF, ST and SF stereotypical clubs that I think many of us see a clear delineation in. Ie. in theory there would no longer be two types of NTs, but four types of NTs, + four types of NFs, four types of STs, and four types of SFs, and they each differ in emphasis and cognition and each value things more similar to their quadra, each according member of the other three clubs. If you're NT you still have their behavior and strength overall, you just aren't typical "NT" anymore and you belong to your own unique subclass of NT. Or your own unique subclass of NF, etc.

    This idea would seem to fit people in real life pretty well, and if we were to have a good set of descriptions per each "club" and each "quadra" then we could make further observations about the four different club members, and each different quadra member. This theory revolves around the realization that you have values in common with people of all four clubs, and given the correct outlook as to what those values are, these ideas may be implemented closer to the 16 types as they are, but more than that, they can seriously be taken to form something twice as intricate about personality types than what we know now, and all from the same mental practices we're familiar with.

    The organization of it would look like this: (without necessarily the old quadra names, but quadras that fit nonetheless)

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    Researchers have fugly shades, therefore I disapprove.

    There's an NT Beta type, therefore I approve.

    Result: fatal error at 233530q2z8¨™9u9™ľż¨ī†ľ™•€ßľĽ™Ń¨€ľĽ™

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    Instead of necessarily saying there's already an NT Beta type, which leads one to think of where there is an NT Delta type, etc, perhaps the best way to construct this is to look at NT types as a whole, and from there begin to acknowledge four various subclasses of NTs we may begin to clarify. The quadra emphasis comes after the fact of making these observations along with some usual quadra observations, but there is twice as much room now to allow for more conceptualization besides the 8 information elements alone. One must think ie. if one were a subclass of NT, wouldn't one's ego functions differ to some extent from the other three?

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    Also I bring this up here instead of say an MBTI forum, because as much as we have a model already, there are plenty of open-minded people who believe in the finer distinctions of what quadra values could emphasize in theory. The advantage of using any forum to construct some observations is that everyone makes these observations already, that within a club of NT types, as well as the other clubs, it often seems like there are more than two value-sets going on, and one cannot expect to relate well to half of the people in their club than they can as much one-fourth of them. The "quadra" emphasis needs not to be as obvious as the differentiation within each club, but only be an after affect which appears to place four type values in alignment. So perhaps noting the stark color difference within each club is the most important aspect of the graph.


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    Interesting. I would call myself an NT Delta ST under this system.

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    There are four main Socionics and MBTI dichotomies. Two of these, N/S and T/F, when combined form one of the two "four-preference" dichotomies used in this theory called the "club" (the other being "quadra.") Here are some possible short-descriptions of the four clubs (taken from an old test):

    The Pragmatist (ST) - His focus is on productivity, function, achievement, efficiency, effecting change, building, engineering, business, and/or acquiring power. He's pragmatic and seeks to improve his individual position.
    Pragmatists (STs) share more in common with Researchers (NTs) and Socials (SFs) and have the least common with Humanitarians (NFs).

    The Social (SF) - He cares about people, making connections with them, and interpersonal interactions. He often enjoys hosting and going to parties, gossip, familial interaction, and other types of activities that value or emphasize socialization.
    Socials (SFs) share more in common with Humanitarians (NFs) and Pragmatists (STs) and have the least in common with Researchers (NTs).

    The Humanitarian (NF) - His focus is on the greater societal needs and problems; often has interests in philosophy, art, psychology, sociology, and/or politics. He's humanitarian and seeks to improve society.
    Humanitarians (NFs) share more in common with Socials (SFs) and Researchers (NTs) and have the least in common with Pragmatists (STs).

    The Researcher (NT) - His focus is on researching areas of interest. He often puts much thought and time into an area of interest, finding information on the topic, making conclusions and deductions, and then presenting these plans, hypothesis, theories, and predictions. He values understanding and knowledge with less emphasis on either his personal benefit or society's.
    Researchers (NTs) share more in common with Pragmatists (STs) and Humanitarians (NFs) and have the least in common with Socials (SFs).


    As far as what quadras can divide these further up, even at their individual level, is still in question, though it may easily be the quadras described within Socionics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    Researchers have fugly shades, therefore I disapprove.

    There's an NT Beta type, therefore I approve.

    Result: fatal error at 233530q2z8¨™9u9™ľż¨ī†ľ™•€ßľĽ™Ń¨€ľĽ™
    Me too. And also not. I like the whole group of colors together. As for the actual content of the idea, I will require more thinking about it.

    I've noticed big differences in the duals that I have talked to in real life. I've also noticed that I don't like a lot of them. For instance, I've met ENFPs who slightly irritate me or don't understand me, because they seem to be very fun-having-oriented, and I myself am very serious, but they still call themselves ENFP and they do still use intuition. If somebody wants to explain that there are differences among them - and not just say 'It's the Ne subtype or the Fi subtype' - and not just say it's their enneagram type or their Ichazo's instinctual subtype, but rather, a whole different type - then that's okay with me, I'd be interested in looking at the idea.

    As soon as I saw people talking about +Si and -Si, I realized there could be more combinations than we have now (unless some part of the theory restricts that from happening, and I haven't read enough of it yet to really know), not just 32 types (which I said originally) but 64 types (if you allow two positives or two negatives instead of alternating).

    It wouldn't necessarily have to use the pluses and minuses, it could be whatever works for you in what you're trying to explain, because I don't know all of what you're seeing in your mind, and it's probably more complicated than what you've written here. I only know that what we have right now, Model A or whatever, isn't the 'end' of socionics or personality systems in general - that more people have more systems and models to develop in the future and it isn't 'done' yet.
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    This idea totally breaks Aristocratic/democratic dichotomy, and is broken in quite a few other ways vs socionic theory.

    It's a system of categorizations, but you can't use socionic terminology with it because that is incoherent.

    Aristocratic quadras and democratic quadras are quite important in socionics and their characteristics are that.

    NF/ST in Aristocratic quadras.
    NT/SF in Democratic quadras.

    In socionic theory the clubs don't exist in all the quadras.

    I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here, but it is outside socionic theory, and couldn't be reconciled with it. It's going to be extremely confusing to try and analyze or understand this based on socionic terminology.

    In socionics, the clubs work based on temperament. 4 clubs per temperament.

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