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    I self-type as ISTj. I know several of you had asked about it, and I know many of you disagree/still think I'm ESFj or w/e, so I figured I'd make a thread about it, explaining my reasoning.

    Let me preface this by saying that many of you don't know me personally. Yes, it's obvious. But it's a key point. Many of my IRL friends see that I have a very analytical side to me, and don't think I'm nearly as 'bubbly' as I can appear on an internet forum.

    Rather than retype my reasoning, here is my explanation to a friend:

    "Basically I found a site I really like, that has a lot of celebrities of every type, for VI. ( http://gallery.socionix.com/main.php Bash the site if you want, I don't care. I think it's actually really good. )The biggest thing that changed my opinion about being LSE, was that I just didn't look like them! I looked a lot like maybe 1-2 out of 20. Their eyes were just different than mine.

    Then I looked at ESE, the type a lot of other people consider me to be. I didn't think I looked like the ESEs either... they just had this outward energy about them, that I didn't really exude... I come across calmer.

    Before now, I had strongly considered myself to be either LSE or ESE, thought I had it figured out. Considering how active I am, everyone on 16types was sure I must be an Ej temperament, with how concerned I am with getting things done in the real world, stuff that actually matters. (Which I'm finding out may be related to Se, practical things, instead of Ne)

    Soooooooooooo.... I began looking at celebrities of every single type... every quadra, being open-minded and considering possibly every type... when I looked at ISTj, and BAM! THESE PEOPLE LOOK LIKE ME! haha. The eyes have that certain analytical touch to them, that mine so often have, and yet they could smile and light up a room like I can as well. I can be intense and concentrated when focused, similar to how these guys looked too.

    VI seemed very accurate, LSI seemed the only type I look like nearly 18/19 of over 20+ people. The last step was just reconciling LSI with my personality. I had actually considered LSI heavily a few months ago... posted on 16types, and everyone said there was no way I was LSI... then again, they don't know me very well, they just saw the crazy MD a bit ago with all the smilies, that I was doing for fun haha. But I think LSI fits ME... using a lot of little jokes to get people to laugh, I hadn't realized was using Ti to produce Fe, and that LSIs can be popular, the 'life of the party', just like I seem to be, despite being an introvert. Started reading more about romance styles, dichotomies, etc., everything related to LSI, and I can see it fitting."

    That ends part of the long explanation there. That was from over a week ago.

    Although it was fun, going crazy with all the smilies, and shaking things up ............. how many people thought it was natural? C'mon... no real ESFjs are as annoying as that, imho.

    I think, being more honest with myself, ISTj fits better. Yes, I know lots of jokes, and even sing randomly to get people to laugh sometimes, am great at dealing with people, and yes that comes across very 'Merry' and looks similar to Fe, but that's actually included in many of the ISTj descriptions.

    Please do not ask me why I do not wear a moustache.

    I could go on, explain more, but I'll just leave it at that. Save you guys time reading.

    Feel free to bash/post hate/post love below. I know many of you had commented that it seemed I was looking for external confirmation of my type... yes, it would help, but I don't need it. This is what I think. Take it or leave it. Sorry to be rude, but since many of you don't know me personally, I don't really care what you think.

    Well, don't care in terms of my type. But I do care generally what you all think, and figured I owed the courtesy to explain the type-change. Hope this helps some. Thanks for reading, have a great day!

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    It's quite a good gallery. Try posting some comparisons, I'm curious. I've had some experience with people reading the expressions wrong, as they're kinda hard for most people to completely grasp at first--usually because they're so used to looking at facial features or have a certain bias towards a type/someone in the gallery they like.

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    The world will end tomorrow unless postponed by rain.

    But seriously, I've had the pleasure talking to DarkAngelFireWolf69 and InkStrider in person, and they both believe that type change is possible, they even encourage one to do so.

    I know InkStrider doesn't like my insensitivity nor the fact I mention him in threads like these, but he can tell all about it better than I can.

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    MOAR LSI VI!

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    He looks a bit like 264.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poli View Post
    It's quite a good gallery. Try posting some comparisons, I'm curious. I've had some experience with people reading the expressions wrong, as they're kinda hard for most people to completely grasp at first--usually because they're so used to looking at facial features or have a certain bias towards a type/someone in the gallery they like.
    Just spent like 45 minutes putting together some pics for comparison. Here you go poli!

    EDIT - 10/11/2011 - Pictures Removed. /EDIT

    I just think ISTj is the type I simply LOOK like the most... with every person there on that site, I can see some resemblance... WAY more resemblance than any of the 15 other types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    Just spent like 45 minutes putting together some pics for comparison. Here you go poli!

    [...]

    I just think ISTj is the type I simply LOOK like the most... with every person there on that site, I can see some resemblance... WAY more resemblance than any of the 15 other types.
    Er... I strongly disagree that the majority of those celebrities are even ISTj. Are they from the Socionix galleries?
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    Niffweed, err... Krig, where's your ISTj list?

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    LSIs are much more direct, and most of the time, they are rigid. I've never heard of an LSI that is the "life of the party". They loosen up with Fe, they don't try to emulate it.
    And, honestly yes, many ESEs can be that annoying. Some of them yell when they talk. It's the Se demonstrative and Fe ego. Not saying that all of them are annoying though.
    Nothing about you seems LSI. I think you are able to seem like other types that you are not, but LSI isn't even one that you can try to seem like. And your eyes are very bright, they aren't anything like actual LSIs. You're obviously extraverted.
    Also... Ashton is the one who put those galleries together, but he does not think you are LSI. If you trust that gallery so much, then you trust his opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    1) What doesn't fit about it?
    You're extrovert, that's pretty obvious in my opinion. And even if your previous forum interaction was partly an act (like you stated, "obviously") I believe you're a feeling type. Unfortunately, I don't really know what is a fact and what is fiction about you, so I can't narrow it down.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    2) You're saying it's bad to have confidence in your type, even when you switch? I'd rather be confidently wrong than be a correct pussy.
    Are you showing off your creative Se? Or your general "Betaness"? I said it's okay to admit it if you're unable to find it you, that's it. I guess you should have noticed how the forum members react to this thread by now. Instead of just writing a small note as a blog, you make a big show again. Don't tell me that you don't enjoy this thread turning into a anthill, even if it's all flaming and facepalming.
    1) "I can't narrow it down"... If you can't narrow down WHY you think what you do, then how can I take your argument seriously? Otherwise it just remains another opinion on the internet of someone who doesn't even know me.
    2) I DO enjoy discussing my socionics type online on an internet forum about socionics, you got me there.
    3) I'm not just doing this to make a 'big show' or to 'start flaming'.
    4) Even if I was doing this purely to get attention, I disagree with your implication that it must mean that I'm an extrovert. Everyone needs some attention every now and then, even introverts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Rob View Post
    Perhaps I wasn't clear. Certain words, manners of speaking, these have nothing to do with information elements. What one looks for when searching for spoken manifestation of information elements is the emphasis or aspect of reality in which their focus is directed.
    Key word being "spoken" though. My IRL friends all notice how analytical I am. But I am giving you a hard time, and you make a good point, that my language must come across with . Could you explain now how my language does NOT include ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    Just spent like 45 minutes putting together some pics for comparison. Here you go poli!

    [...]

    I just think ISTj is the type I simply LOOK like the most... with every person there on that site, I can see some resemblance... WAY more resemblance than any of the 15 other types.
    Er... I strongly disagree that the majority of those celebrities are even ISTj. Are they from the Socionix galleries?
    Please check my original post for the link.

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    It's okay, you can be ISTj as long as you make sure that given that now you're PoLR you will NEVER change your type again.
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    You look a lot like an ESE friend of mine; I don't expect you to believe me, I just felt like saying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    No, you don't VI like them at all. It's completely off.
    First of all, don't fret MD. It can be hard to get VI down at first. It's good to come back and recheck your impressions.

    I would have to agree with Ashton. Your emotional energy seems a lot higher and spread out. I think ESE fits well you show some of their typical expressions. Not all ExEs are social extroverts btw, they can just come across that way by having a higher emotional energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Don't mind Ashton, he just wants to confuse you more, I mean this place is so weird that the cockroaches have moved next door.
    I don't mind Ashton at all!

    "Today, 04:02 PM
    Remove user from ignore listAshton
    This message is hidden because Ashton is on your ignore list."

    Been that way for a few days. I figured... he never reads anything anyway... just like his signature... he always bashing any idea without even considering it, is rude to everyone... why should I continue to show him the respect of reading what he writes?

    Quote Originally Posted by poli View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post

    No, you don't VI like them at all. It's completely off.
    I would have to agree with Ashton. Your emotional energy seems a lot higher and spread out. I think ESE fits well you show some of their typical expressions. Not all ExEs are social extroverts btw, they can just come across that way by having a higher emotional energy.

    Don't fret though, it can be hard to get the VI down at first. It's good to come back and recheck your impressions.
    Doh! You quoted him, now I see what he put.

    You believe Ashton? Isn't it obvious that he puts "at all", that they're "completely off". I mean c'mon, I look a LOT like the ISTjs. It's not "completely off". How do you explain that? Did you even consider it?

    Just looked at the ESE pics again on the site, and I still think the ESEs have a certain formalness about them... trying to be polite all the time. I still think I LOOK more like ISTjs, and I think it fits my personality overall MUCH more.

    But thanks again for the opinion poli, I will definitely come back at some point and check impressions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    I don't mind Ashton at all!

    "Today, 04:02 PM
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    This message is hidden because Ashton is on your ignore list."

    Been that way for a few days. I figured... he never reads anything anyway... just like his signature... he always bashing any idea without even considering it, is rude to everyone... why should I continue to show him the respect of reading what he writes?
    I didn't know you had him on ignore and yes, he is very rude. Break off contact with him and just throw away all the things that remind you of Ashton. It's the only way to heal those wounds.

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    New day, new life, new type... Whatever your type is, I really don't think it's ISTj. It just doesn't fit. I guess you can call me a type switcher too, but at least I don't claim that "I now got right!!!" everytime I got a new opinion. If you can't really figure out your type, it's no shame to admit it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    I know many of you had commented that it seemed I was looking for external confirmation of my type... yes, it would help, but I don't need it.
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    Sorry to be rude, but since many of you don't know me personally, I don't really care what you think.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    Well, don't care in terms of my type. But I do care generally what you all think...
    What?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    New day, new life, new type... Whatever your type is, I really don't think it's ISTj. It just doesn't fit. I guess you can call me a type switcher too, but at least I don't claim that "I now got right!!!" everytime I got a new opinion. If you can't really figure out your type, it's no shame to admit it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    I know many of you had commented that it seemed I was looking for external confirmation of my type... yes, it would help, but I don't need it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    Well, don't care in terms of my type. But I do care generally what you all think...
    What?
    He says he doesn't care about it but he cares. There's no shame in contradicting oneself, not when universe is laughing behind your back.

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    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Soooooooo, who else sees Brendan Fraser in #261 and Michael Mcdonald in #541
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkster View Post
    You're leisurely Parkster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    Just spent like 45 minutes putting together some pics for comparison. Here you go poli!
    One can't argue with facts. LSI works.

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    LOL
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
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    I'm sick of mountain dew selftype threads.
    me too. wonder how many it takes for merging to start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispy View Post
    Soooooooo, who else sees Brendan Fraser in #261 and Michael Mcdonald in #541
    Yes! Especially Brendan Fraser in #261, looks exactly like a young version of him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    Just spent like 45 minutes putting together some pics for comparison. Here you go poli!
    One can't argue with facts. LSI works.
    Thanks Absurd. I can post up more pictures later, but I really gotta go now. Have fun everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    I'm sick of mountain dew selftype threads.
    Me too! Let's make this the last one then, shall we?

    Quote Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold View Post
    C'mon, MD. I think you've had enough straws.
    Well, this is technically already a previous 'straw', a type I had considered heavily before, just not enough to fully type as.

    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    New day, new life, new type... Whatever your type is, I really don't think it's ISTj. It just doesn't fit. I guess you can call me a type switcher too, but at least I don't claim that "I now got right!!!" everytime I got a new opinion. If you can't really figure out your type, it's no shame to admit it.
    1) What doesn't fit about it?

    2) You're saying it's bad to have confidence in your type, even when you switch? I'd rather be confidently wrong than be a correct pussy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    I know many of you had commented that it seemed I was looking for external confirmation of my type... yes, it would help, but I don't need it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    Well, don't care in terms of my type. But I do care generally what you all think...
    What?
    Tough to explain, yes. I don't care if people disagree on my type, but I still want to be accepted. I don't care about being accepted to the level that I would change my opinion on my type now, but I do care to the level that I wish others would change their opinions on my type, if you follow that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    New day, new life, new type... Whatever your type is, I really don't think it's ISTj. It just doesn't fit. I guess you can call me a type switcher too, but at least I don't claim that "I now got right!!!" everytime I got a new opinion. If you can't really figure out your type, it's no shame to admit it.







    What?
    He says he doesn't care about it but he cares. There's no shame in contradicting oneself, not when universe is laughing behind your back.
    Thank you yet again Absurd . Glad to know you have my back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    1) What doesn't fit about it?
    You're extrovert, that's pretty obvious in my opinion. And even if your previous forum interaction was partly an act (like you stated, "obviously") I believe you're a feeling type. Unfortunately, I don't really know what is a fact and what is fiction about you, so I can't narrow it down.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    2) You're saying it's bad to have confidence in your type, even when you switch? I'd rather be confidently wrong than be a correct pussy.
    Are you showing off your creative Se? Or your general "Betaness"? I said it's okay to admit it if you're unable to find it you, that's it. I guess you should have noticed how the forum members react to this thread by now. Instead of just writing a small note as a blog, you make a big show again. Don't tell me that you don't enjoy this thread turning into a anthill, even if it's all flaming and facepalming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    Feel free to bash/post hate/post love below. I know many of you had commented that it seemed I was looking for external confirmation of my type... yes, it would help, but I don't need it. This is what I think. Take it or leave it. Sorry to be rude, but since many of you don't know me personally, I don't really care what you think.

    Well, don't care in terms of my type. But I do care generally what you all think, and figured I owed the courtesy to explain the type-change.!
    That you so much as felt the need to explicitly make this point would seem to undermine your effort to persuade us that you are not dependent upon the external validation of your judgements. You say it doesn't matter what we think, and yet you are so obviously probing us to tell you what we think about your not caring what we think. I'll tell you what we think. We think you're being dishonest with yourself.

    How you chose to type yourself is your own prerogative, but understand that in proclaiming yourself LSI, you are signalling to us that the way in which you interpret socionics represents a non-trivial deviation from the range of socionics interpretations to which the majority of us subscribe. Under the circumstances there is be little room for productive discourse, and so instead of provoking serious discussion, you've brought upon yourself mockery and derision.

    Something to think about Dew... Ni is typically assumed play a more overt role in the persona of an LSI than Fe. My Ni detector registers a solid zero in your presence, whereas Fe registers off the charts.

    Let me ask you a few questions. How do you relate to Ni? What do you appreciate about Ni? In what respects does Ni balance out your character?

    If you are puzzled by these questions, perhaps that's because you are Ni PoLR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post

    Soooooooooooo.... I began looking at celebrities of every single type...
    Fe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    when I looked at ISTj, and BAM! THESE PEOPLE LOOK LIKE ME! haha.
    Fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    they just saw the crazy MD a bit ago with all the smilies, that I was doing for fun haha.
    Fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    Although it was fun, going crazy with all the smilies, and shaking things up ............. how many people thought it was natural? C'mon... no real ESFjs are as annoying as that, imho.
    Fe

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    Sorry to be rude
    Fe

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    Thanks for reading, have a great day!
    Fe





    All in one post. You are also obviously Ne/Si valuing. Sorry but i'm gonna have to side with the people who type you ESE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post

    Soooooooooooo.... I began looking at celebrities of every single type...
    Fe.



    Fe



    Fe



    Fe



    Fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    Thanks for reading, have a great day!
    Fe





    All in one post. You are also obviously Ne/Si valuing. Sorry but i'm gonna have to side with the people who type you ESE.
    That's not what Fe is; Fe is drawn into objects where the personal subjective character is lost (Fi) hence ignoring Fi; if anything, Mountain Dew uses a lot of Fi. Fe would rather be swallowed up in their own feeling process of melancholy and other feelings than of displaying these to the world. If he were Fe, his feelings would correspond to this situation/thread because Fe is external and objective, it tends to reflect the norms of the situation/tradition. Fe tends to get into negative type of thinking, unlike Mountain Dew. That's why FeNi is a negativist type. Everything in those post is a subjective remark to external observation, as in, "when I began looking...;" "When I looked at...;"
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post

    That's not what Fe is; Fe is drawn into objects where the personal subjective character is lost (Fi) hence ignoring Fi; if anything, Mountain Dew uses a lot of Fi. Fe would rather be swallowed up in their own feeling process of melancholy and other feelings than of displaying these to the world. If he were Fe, his feelings would correspond to this situation/thread because Fe is external and objective, it tends to reflect the norms of the situation/tradition. Fe tends to get into negative type of thinking, unlike Mountain Dew. That's why FeNi is a negativist type. Everything in those post is a subjective remark to external observation, as in, "when I began looking...;" "When I looked at...;"
    You totally missed my points. What you are remarking on is not what i was pointing out as being signs of Fe.
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