Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan View Post
Thanks for the clarification of Labcoat's ideas. Overall it makes sense as a translation of the more usual definitions. You seem to be on the same wavelength....Is this a theory that has been discussed before?
I'm not sure if I am clarifying his ideas, I'm just working with the words he's used. I've also never talked about it with him before, or even thought about it; I just spend too much time on Wikipedia's philosophy articles

Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan View Post
Still, I have problems with F being about knowledge. Traditionally, judging functions are about decision making...E.g., how do I come up with some criterion for deciding on this or that. I suppose that can be translated to knowledge in some way (knowledge that one should decide on...), but only indirectly.
"How do I come up with some criterion" = "How do I know something" though, right? Or do you mean something else?

Also, imo, Rational functions deal with reactions to knowledge. This is why Rational types have such immediate and strong reactions to words, facts, arguments, changing emotions, and all that Logical and Ethical stuff.

Irrational functions OTOH react to "reality", either their personal subjective reality as with IPs (cue imaginative couch potato doms and go-with-the-flow epicurean doms) or whatever it is in the world outside they've been sizing up.

Rick phrased it, basically, as "civilisation" versus "wild nature".

It's also a pre-existing concept in the notions of "apollonian" and "dionysian" elements in the world, interestingly.

Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan View Post
As to intuitive vs. discursive reason...I'm not sure what you mean. Can you explain?
Reasoning can either be logical and step-by-step where your reasoning is clear at each step (discursive), or it can be intuitive where you leap about from point to point. That's nothing new though.