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    hello, the following is something i came up with after seeing the decent enneagram test that Absurd posted (http://pstypes.blogspot.com/2009/11/...gram-test.html) from another thread (http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ad.php?t=36982). it would be cool to see other people take the test and use my methods to correlate a socionics type and see if this is all that accurate. as far as i can tell with the information people posted, it doesnt seem that bad. maybe you can help me make certain.


    HOW IT WORKS
    broken down into two categories using a table of functions.
    number one has a higher precedence over number two in determining an ego.
    types that have no demonstrative function are automatically removed in the types.
    1. look for duality-pairs.
    2. look for same function extratim/introtim pairs.
    3. if number 1 and 2 are too ambiguous, then use the predominant enneagram functions to discern leading and demonstrative.

    *subtypes that go outside of the two subtype system are used here to denote a person that uses their demonstrative and doesn't fit a subtype well
    *and to denote a person that has a stronger hidden agenda than their creative function.



    TABLE
    Core Functions of Type
    1: Ne, Se, Fi
    2: Si, Fe, Fi
    3: Se, Ne, Te
    4: Ni, Fe, Fi
    5: Ni, Si, Ti
    6: Ni, Se, Ti
    7: Ne, Se, Fe
    8: Se, Te
    9: Si, Fi, Fe




    Me
    5: Ni, Si, Ti
    6: Ni, Se, Ti
    result: (Ni<->Se, Si<->?, Ti<->?); (Si<->Se)
    socionics types: ILI-Ti, SLI-Ti //by rule three; no Fi excludes IEI and SEI

    EyeSeeCold
    5: Ni, Si, Ti
    9: Si, Fi, Fe
    result: (Ni<->?, Si<->?, Ti<->Fe; ?<->Fi)
    socionics types: LII-Ni, LSI-Ni //by rule three

    Typhon
    6: Ni, Se, Ti
    8: Se, Te
    result: (Ni<->Se, Se<->Ni, Ti<->?; ?<->Te); (Ti<->Te)
    socionics types: SLE, ILI-Ti, LSI-Ni //Fixed

    Sar
    4: Ni, Fe, Fi
    6: Ni, Se, Ti
    result: (Ni<->Se, Fe<->Ti, Fi<->?); (Fe<->Fi, Fi<->Fe)
    socionics types: IEI-Fe

    Poli
    9: Si, Fi, Fe
    4: Ni, Fe, Fi
    result: (Si<->?, Fi<->?, Fe<->?; ?<->Ni); (Fi<->Fe, Fe<->Fi)
    socionics types: SEI-Fe, ESI-Fi //by rule three

    Ashton
    8: Se, Te
    5: Ni, Si, Ti
    result: (Se<->Ni, Te<->?; ?<->Si, ?<->Ti); (Te<->Ti)
    socionics types: SLE-Te, LIE-Se (possible exception?)

    woofwoofl
    3: Se, Ne, Te
    2: Si, Fe, Fi
    result: (Se<->?, Ne<->Si, Te<->Fi; ?<->Fe); (Se<->Si)
    socionics types: IEE-Te, SEE-Te

    Parkster
    5: Ni, Si, Ti
    1: Ne, Se, Fi
    result: (Ni<->Se, Si<->Ne, Ti<->?; ?<->Fi); (Ni<->Ne, Si<->Se)
    socionics types: ILI-Ti or SLI-Ti

    Absurd
    8: Te, Se
    7: Ne, Se, Fe
    result: (Te<->?, Se<->?; ?<->Ne, ?<->Fe)
    socionics types: LSE-Se or SLE-Te //by rule three
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    logical chunking

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    Quote Originally Posted by aestrivex View Post
    logical chunking
    yes, that was my intention. would you like to post your test results and see how it comes out for you (if you haven't done it already)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by givemeaname View Post
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    socionics types: ILI-Ti, SLI-Ti //by rule three; no Fi excludes IEI and SEI
    You sound almost like some member on here. It's like you took classes from Alexsei.

    Quote Originally Posted by givemeaname View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by aestrivex View Post
    logical chunking
    yes, that was my intention. would you like to post your test results and see how it comes out for you (if you haven't done it already)?
    He is 1w9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by givemeaname View Post
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    socionics types: ILI-Ti, SLI-Ti //by rule three; no Fi excludes IEI and SEI
    You sound almost like some member on here. It's like you took classes from Alexsei.
    yeah, sorry, you can pretty much ignore it anyway. i was trying to describe between discrepancies in the subtypes to show my reasoning. maybe i just shouldnt use them. for example, an IEE
    Ne Fi
    Ti Se
    Te Si
    Ni Fe

    1. we can either say IEE-Ne is a strengthening of the whole first column
    *but if Ne is strengthened, isnt Ni weakened?
    *Ti-PoLR could get strengthened by Te indirectly, since the superego is not theoretically motivated by Fe-demonstrative though

    2. or we could say an IEE-Ne has strengthening of the extroverted functions
    *but since the Te-HA and Fe-demonstrative oppose one another, one will be stronger than the other?
    *but since the Ne-leading and Se-role oppose one another, one will be stronger than the other?

    *and then the same ideas follow for the introverted subtype.

    so i guess i see standard subtypes as a strengthening of a whole column. but i generally prefer number 2 above so that i can specify the important differences without making assumptions. im not really sure Aleksei has ever explained his reasoning for his subtype systems, but maybe it's the same.

    He is 1w9.
    thanks

    it's better if he takes that test though because he might be better recognized in another secondary type other than nine. but this is the result. im not sure if i should add Ti to enneagram 1 though. 1 is kind of weird, it seems to represent superego opposition in the elements. what would you say?

    1: Ne, Se, Fi
    9: Si, Fi, Fe
    results: (Ne<->Si, Se<->?, Fi<->?; ?<->Fe); (Se<->Si, Fi<->Fe)
    socionics results: IEE, EII

    with Ti
    1: Ne, Se, Fi, Ti
    9: Si, Fi, Fe
    results: (Ne<->Si, Se<->?, Fi<->?, Ti<->Fe; ?<->Fe); (Se<->Si, Fi<->Fe)
    socionics results: LII or ILE, EII or IEE

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    Quote Originally Posted by givemeaname View Post
    what would you say?

    1: Ne, Se, Fi
    9: Si, Fi, Fe
    results: (Ne<->Si, Se<->?, Fi<->?; ?<->Fe); (Se<->Si, Fi<->Fe)
    socionics results: IEE, EII

    with Ti
    1: Ne, Se, Fi, Ti
    9: Si, Fi, Fe
    results: (Ne<->Si, Se<->?, Fi<->?, Ti<->Fe; ?<->Fe); (Se<->Si, Fi<->Fe)
    socionics results: LII or ILE, EII or IEE
    Works like a charm, let's hear what he's got to say now. I'm sure he will appreciate your efforts.

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    Yeah, logical chunky monkies. Your chart looks inaccurate, if you're missing all the other enneagrams per type. Both 9 and 4 are obvious EII types for instance, as well as type 6. I also fit into type 5.

    There have already been legitimate enneagram/socionics correlations made on threads of this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aestrivex View Post
    logical chunking
    Quote Originally Posted by poli View Post
    Yeah, logical chunky monkies.
    Hehe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poli View Post
    Yeah, logical chunky monkies. Your chart looks inaccurate, if you're missing all the other enneagrams per type. Both 9 and 4 are obvious EII types for instance, as well as type 6. I also fit into type 5.

    There have already been legitimate enneagram/socionics correlations made on threads of this forum.
    this was intended to be different. the table doesn't represent types or leading functions, but the essence of a function in itself. since the test tells you how you vary in enneagram, im attempting to use it to give a more overall picture of a person after correlating to socionics.

    if you think the table is inaccurate, please suggest alternatives. but please keep in mind it describes functionally the essence of the enneagram type and not Jungian types or dual pairs.

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    SEI: 2, 3, 6, 7, 9
    ILE: 3, 5, 6, 7
    ESE: 2, 3, etc.
    LII: 5, 6, etc.

    IEI: 4, 5, 6, 7 (Fe-sub)
    SLE: 3, 6, 7, 8
    EIE: 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8
    LSI: 1, 3, 5, 6, 8

    ILI: 1, 5, 6, etc.
    SEE: 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 9
    LIE: 1, 3, 6, 7, 8
    ESI: 1, 2, 4, 6, 9

    SLI: 3, 5, 6, 9
    IEE: 2, 4, 6, 7, 9
    LSE: 1, 3, 6, 8
    EII: 1, 2, 4, 6, 9

    I think.
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    Quoting from a post in the "History of the forum part II" thread, which will be flawed in that is based on a limit number of people, particular for certain types, and people may self-type wrong...

    Quote Originally Posted by Subteigh View Post
    I made a graph of correlations. I had the rule that the best fit for an enneagram type or a wing had to be qualified by at least 3 individuals of people of a Socionics type having it, with types in blue being instances where at least 50% of individuals indicated that typing. For the 'weak' column, I included the best fit type if no had been included in the first column, and also the most appropriate wing (whereby at least two individuals had to have it).

    5w4 was a very good fit for LIIs on this forum, and 5w6 was very good for ILIs...such typings may be heavily influenced by the disproportionate number of people claiming to be and subtypes respectively.


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    Default here I come with the unicode again

    Always wanted to do one of these, and this is gonna deal more in raw accentuation than strict and walled-off typist stuff. Here goes:

    8 explicit objects
    1 explicit fields

    261 static field fxns
    378 object fxns
    459 dynamic field fxns


    I could make this a hell of a lot more complete later on, need to go to the bathroom and shower now.
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    There are others ways to correlate Socionics and Enneagram other than jut taking into account Ego-blocks IMs. Also take into account fear (Super Ego), and desire (Super Id).

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