Which functions would you attribute this too?

[Rocky]

I have a quote here, and I'm curious as to what people would think it is describing (in functional terms).

"Was Mario a well behaved child? 'It was as if he had one of these', says Pierrette [his mother], indicating a halo over his head. When young Mario's halo slipped, it uncovered a stubborn streak more suited to a pack mule than a cherub. He was, and is, a rotten loser, whether at Monopoly, cards or basement hockey. Tantrums followed losses. 'If Mario lost, it would be as if a hurricane went through the basement,' says Jean Guy [his father]."

[Gilly]

Being a sore loser is not really directly connectable to type. If anything, it's a kind of narcissism (Ne/Si).

[Olga]

Well behaved child...it could be (social norms), stubborn -rationality, tuntrum - emotions + destructive power .
The only problem is that children are children, they all more emotional, more stubborn, and all need to be loved and valued - that is why they like to be good for parents, when they are treated rihgt. It sounded like my baby.

[niveK]

Being a sore loser is not really directly connectable to type. If anything, it's a kind of narcissism (Ne/Si).

An Ne or Si type would have a violent fit because they lost a game or didn't get their way? Care to provide some reasoning for this?

I seem to recall a similar attitude being attributed to the EIE/ENFj type in descriptions, and I have observed similar behavior in an EIE friend. Perhaps the Fe signals sent by such an action are intended as a tool to change the outcome of the game, by convincing the other player to allow special circumstances that are in the losing party's favor. Other Fe types might use similar behavior, although I can't see an SEI/ISFp doing such a thing, as they tend to be non-confrontational due to their desire to seek comfort, especially in emotions.

[Joy]

I have a quote here, and I'm curious as to what people would think it is describing (in functional terms).

"Was Mario a well behaved child? 'It was as if he had one of these', says Pierrette [his mother], indicating a halo over his head. When young Mario's halo slipped, it uncovered a stubborn streak more suited to a pack mule than a cherub. He was, and is, a rotten loser, whether at Monopoly, cards or basement hockey. Tantrums followed losses. 'If Mario lost, it would be as if a hurricane went through the basement,' says Jean Guy [his father]."

yep. sounds like a kid to me.

[Rocky]

Being a sore loser is not really directly connectable to type. If anything, it's a kind of narcissism (Ne/Si).

An Ne or Si type would have a violent fit because they lost a game or didn't get their way?

YES... all the time.


Anyway, the reason I posted this was because it was a quote I found in Niednagel's book illustrating an ISTP. He's Mario Lemieux, a hockey player. Just curious of others' interpretations of it.

[FDG]

I have a LIE friend which is exactly like that, so, I don't think we can actually clearly relate it to type.

[Rocky]

I have a LIE friend which is exactly like that, so, I don't think we can actually clearly relate it to type.

To be honest, I thought this type of behavior was mostly related to - so it still works.

[flower]

ISTP's descriptions usually say they are competitive, but Si is accociated with balancing emotional levels, suppressing the highs and trying to raise things when they are low, so I cant imagine them usually having outbursts as it goes out of their comfort zone, and also requires a strong use of / and opens them up to Fe, the POLR, unless they were particularly self-confidant or very comfortable with the people around them.

I think this kind of thing is more to do with upbringing, self-confidance, life experiences etc, eg things that shape people from the environment, and of course is more prevelent amoug kids and teenagers who learn to control their anger as adults etc, eg I think type is not strongly correlated, but maybe weakly correlated.

When looking at professional sportsplayers or other 'non-typical people' who have lived non-typical lives, its always a must to bear in mind that their life experiences are probably a little different to the average person, and hence the impact of environmental factors on their personality will differ slightly.

[Slacker]

My ISFj brother can be a bit of a sore loser. My ISTp husband isn't at all a sore loser, but he said he thinks it's because he's so used to losing He hates to lose, definitely, but he has good sportsmanship.

My ENFj dad is a really gracious loser. He never brags about doing well either. And he's always been a great athlete.

[Olga]

Could it be ralated to and violence? I mean strong Se and poor Se?

[Topaz]

The poorest losers I have ever met were ENTJ. That is not to say that all ENTJs are sore loosers. Ive known some ISTPs that will reach inside and pull out some inner resource to win in a competition even when they were loosing all along. If they do loose at anything it gets to them, they dont like to let it show but attention will be even higher and keener the next time around. Everyone can be competative in their particular area of expertese though. I become wildly competative (in a funny, dramatic way) when playing word games, drawing or some thinking games (I imagine Im supposed to be good at these) and somewhat sheepish when playing some physical sport even if I do well (see travelers thread on functions.)

[Raver]

Removed.

[FDG]

By the way, I can safely say I'm not a sore loser. I can playfully create drama and yell "fuck fuck fuck fuck" for 5 seconds, but then I don't care. I think nobody can be a sore loser because losing is an objective fact, and therefore we just have to accept it. Big time difference with my other LIE friend, he can actually try to make up rules but he does it only in games in which he feels competent.