the moron who invented dualization

[Lobo]

Oh so you're talking about tendencies here. I agree as habits and worldviews are hard to change. I choose to focus on types as a collection of manifest traits in any case.

In daily life, duality doesn't matter as long as there are people around who are proficient in the usage of the function you need at the particular time (which could be anybody). It's not possible to only need 2 functions every time. And just because duals are attuned to the particular function doesn't mean that they would produce the quality and skilled output that you require at the particular time, nor does it mean that they would produce it for you and not against you. An experienced non dual who has an invested interest in me could serve me just fine.

Well, proficiency and your natural inclination to provide a function in a given situation are two different things... I see this as an aspect that socionic models do attempt to predict, which is why you have functions occupying certain positions in the psyche. I could be proficient in Ni, but it doesn't mean that it will excite me in a way that an Ni ego type will. Imo, the "point" in duality is that your dual will readily provide for those functions which you do not readily provide (nor are you probably proficient) in a complimentary way so as to give you complete information perspective.

Not only that, but the information is provided in a way that is framed/provided in a way that is more easily digested. For example, you'll find an EII's critique about how someone is affecting the social environment in a way that is causing them to become rejected will be different than an IEE's. An example that comes to mind is an LSE (special case) from my previous job who would just do things without realizing how annoying it was to the people around him, probably causing a small amount of resentment from them. My mind is very sensitive to social dynamics. If he had asked me, I could have given him a bulleted list off the top of my head of what the specifics of what he did and what it caused. An IEE would have most likely found a way of handling things that didn't involve some kind of analysis, and even though they are more proficient in Fi, wouldn't have given that information in a structured way that he would have better digested. The irony is that I don't like providing this kind of Fi info unless asked, since I don't like it being done to me, lol.

I think the issue of compatibility is far more complicated and require more work than simply the existence of external duality, which is my main problem with socionics.

I see the problem as people using socionics to explain and predict more than it's capable of doing. It's just one factor of compatibility, but it's not bs.

[InkStrider]

Or though, who knows, maybe that's what we are all evolving towards? Loving our conflictors! Who's to say? Fcuk I hope not, duality is hard enough!

. I do find my conflictors interesting and get along reasonably well with them irl, fwiw. I haven't had the opportunity to get into a close relationship with one so I suppose that might be why I haven't actually experienced any conflict with a conflictor.

An example that comes to mind is an LSE (special case) from my previous job who would just do things without realizing how annoying it was to the people around him, probably causing a small amount of resentment from them. My mind is very sensitive to social dynamics. If he had asked me, I could have given him a bulleted list off the top of my head of what the specifics of what he did and what it caused. The irony is that I don't like providing this kind of Fi info unless asked, since I don't like it being done to me, lol.

Eh? You just made me realize that an INFj I recently got to know had given me such Fi advice (I asked for it and it had been excellent in detail). So that is the secret skill of the INFj... Interesting, thanks for enlightening me.

What you've written does make sense. Provided that people do have such natural inclinations, that these inclinations are likely to result in proficiency, that such proficiencies are complementary to that of a dual, and is of a sufficient "quality" to have it appreciated by the dual.

The value of socionics duality may be due to the fact that duals are more likely to be able to render "quality assistance" to their respective duals at the appropriate moments, resulting in gratitude and setting into motion the law of reciprocity, hence developing into a closer relationship which reinforces itself into a positive cycle of trust and comfort.

I had been tinkering with the idea of socionics compatibility at a superficial level. Where one trades ones IM output for the IM output of another, without regard for the type of the individual himself as long as he is able to provide the necessary output at the required time (since different situations requires the use of different functions). Guess this works only for role-based relationships (colleagues, work partners, etc) but not for the more intimate ones where people can't help but be themselves in the long run.

[Beautiful sky]

I don't.

My point is, everyone values trust and need help when they're stuck. It just means that I tend to get stuck and wallow in despair more often than not by being foolishly stubborn and fervently hope that people have enough of a close relationship with me not to mind my moments stupidity too much and like me just the same.

You don't like INFj's being helpful to you?

That's why I like it, because I'm useful, because my tries to peer into things beyond the simple admixture of realistic and immediate things of nature (which is about mobilizing and taking action). Because Ne, which allows us to solve your problems, actually avails itself of the sense-objects, and peer into possibilities (making us have an open mind), giving us distant vision, discovering possibilities in situations and offering many perspectives, and immediately working towards the issue; I like helping with problems.

[InkStrider]

That's why I like it, because I'm useful, because my tries to peer into things beyond the simple admixture of realistic and immediate things of nature (which is about mobilizing and taking action). Because Ne, which allows us to solve your problems, actually avails itself of the sense-objects, and peer into possibilities (making us have an open mind), giving us distant vision, discovering possibilities in situations and offering many perspectives, and immediately working towards the issue; I like helping with problems.

Perhaps, but not all duals can necessarily help with problems. They need to be knowledgeable and involved enough in the issue to render such assistance. In the end, it's about how capable you are of giving help when it's needed, which is what anybody (even non-duals) can do.

You don't like INFj's being helpful to you?

Maybe.

[Diaphanous]

Acts of service and quality time. If I can't do anything, render any help to take away their problems I feel like a useless piece of shit. Quality time is a must. The more important the person is to me, the more of my time I am willing to give to them, and I expect the same in return.

Bet this is why my bf struggles more with our long-distance relationship than I do. In fact, IME sensors seem to have more trouble in general maintaining relationships if there is no real life face-to-face interaction. Out of sight, out of mind, perhaps? Tell me what you think, sensors.

I mean, as far as I can tell, you can't perform acts of service over the phone or webcam. You can spend some quality time chatting and give tips, but I would think you're hard-pressed to feel really integral to the relationship at that point, which is probably why my bf delves especially deeply into work and school when I'm not around. And I have to up my ante when it comes to and be especially encouraging without appearing clingy, etc.

[Diaphanous]

actually i take back what i said. duals SUCK.They really do have a way of hurting you to the core.

The deeper a person can get the more they can hurt you.
Hope you're OK assuming that comment was from a recent real life experience.

Duals can really hurt you, especially when they're choosing to. I try to stop myself from criticizing the other's weaknesses. That can be hard when 1.- I'm being criticized and I want to (and are quite able to) retaliate and 2.- I want to help them be more [kind, understanding, patient, affectionate, optimistic, open-minded, whatever] without them thinking I don't like them "as they are" and am trying to change them. Too many misunderstandings/arguments related to this come up.

When I get something akin to:

"Why are you so incompetent?!"(weak )

"Why don't you stand up for yourself?!", "What do you mean you 'didn't notice it?!'", "Why can't you just say what you mean?!" ( PoLR)

I have to resist the urge to defend myself and attack their lack of intuition and feeling because that only exacerbates things. (Or maybe I should retaliate? What do you think?) On the other hand, if I turn the other cheek there is always the possibility I'll be accused of running away from conflict. At this point I usually just ask them to please not yell at me and see where it goes from there.

P.S.-- I don't mean to paint LSEs as assholish. Healthy resolution of conflict leads to growth. If I point out that LSE is being unkind and they say, "Well, I guess I'm just an asshole," because they're compartmentalizing, I respond with, "Not at all. I don't hang around assholes. I just don't appreciate [x]."

[Beautiful sky]

Acts of service and quality time. If I can't do anything, render any help to take away their problems I feel like a useless piece of shit. Quality time is a must. The more important the person is to me, the more of my time I am willing to give to them, and I expect the same in return.

Bet this is why my bf struggles more with our long-distance relationship than I do. In fact, IME sensors seem to have more trouble in general maintaining relationships if there is no real life face-to-face interaction. Out of sight, out of mind, perhaps? Tell me what you think, sensors.

I mean, as far as I can tell, you can't perform acts of service over the phone or webcam. You can spend some quality time chatting and give tips, but I would think you're hard-pressed to feel really integral to the relationship at that point, which is probably why my bf delves especially deeply into work and school when I'm not around. And I have to up my ante when it comes to and be especially encouraging without appearing clingy, etc.

Don't worry too much about it; he's LSE! He just has to get stuff done. That's it. (He's oriented towards external objects -productivity).

[Nowisthetime]

Hi. I'm commenting the following quotes:

Also... the mystery of suggestive Fi. I have seen LSEs totally shut down when I "take the wheel" of a conversation and steer it in an Fi-heavy direction. Sometimes this frustrates me because I've just listened attentively to a long Te speech, but when it's "my turn" the LSE has trouble masking the fact that he really is not enjoying himself anymore.

In daily life, duality doesn't matter as long as there are people around who are proficient in the usage of the function you need at the particular time (which could be anybody). It's not possible to only need 2 functions every time. And just because duals are attuned to the particular function doesn't mean that they would produce the quality and skilled output that you require at the particular time, nor does it mean that they would produce it for you and not against you. An experienced non dual who has an invested interest in me could serve me just fine.

I had been tinkering with the idea of socionics compatibility at a superficial level. Where one trades ones IM output for the IM output of another, without regard for the type of the individual himself as long as he is able to provide the necessary output at the required time (since different situations requires the use of different functions). Guess this works only for role-based relationships (colleagues, work partners, etc) but not for the more intimate ones where people can't help but be themselves in the long run.

I want to stress that Duals need to connect, really connect. If they cannot do it for whatever reason the result is just a back and forth monologue like has been described in the quotes above. "Listening attentively to each others monologues" is not necessarily connecting.

It's interesting because it is when you don't connect that the socionics model is easy to spot in the communication ("I give you this information, you give me that etc.") IMO when you really connect with a dual, it is harder to see it because you are so involved and the dual pair starts to operate as a whole. If we reach this state it can feel like the thoughts of my dual are my own, even though they aren't, or it doesn't matter anymore.

[moredhel]

Bet this is why my bf struggles more with our long-distance relationship than I do. In fact, IME sensors seem to have more trouble in general maintaining relationships if there is no real life face-to-face interaction. Out of sight, out of mind, perhaps? Tell me what you think, sensors.

I mean, as far as I can tell, you can't perform acts of service over the phone or webcam. You can spend some quality time chatting and give tips, but I would think you're hard-pressed to feel really integral to the relationship at that point, which is probably why my bf delves especially deeply into work and school when I'm not around. And I have to up my ante when it comes to and be especially encouraging without appearing clingy, etc.

I would struggle with long distance for exactly that reason , people are a little bit out of sight out of mind for me, at least after a few weeks.

You could try emails, I know I almost think about a person more when I'm writing long emails to them than I do in person, something about being able to take my time with Fi.

Other than that just working out a fairly regular (but not too regular) IM/web cam routine, the saying "absence makes a heart grow fonder" still applies to an LSE I think it just has a smaller time frame.

Don't worry too much about it; he's LSE! He just has to get stuff done. That's it. (He's oriented towards external objects -productivity).

Wow boiling down a type to a single concept that's terrible.

[InkStrider]

When I get something akin to:

"Why are you so incompetent?!"(weak )

"Why don't you stand up for yourself?!", "What do you mean you 'didn't notice it?!'", "Why can't you just say what you mean?!" ( PoLR)

I have to resist the urge to defend myself and attack their lack of intuition and feeling because that only exacerbates things. (Or maybe I should retaliate? What do you think?) On the other hand, if I turn the other cheek there is always the possibility I'll be accused of running away from conflict. At this point I usually just ask them to please not yell at me and see where it goes from there.

I think you've hit a nail there. I can see myself blurting out such phrases in frustration. It would be something I refrain from pointing out, but it goes on in my head nevertheless and I guess it shows. But this only happens when I'm on problem-solving mode and things are not moving as fast as I would like it to. I can't stand it when people are being overly wishy-washy during these moments. If I have respect for the individual and we're close enough, I would take over ("I'll do it/decide for you"), but with others, you can't do that or you'll be accused of being controlling.

P.S.-- I don't mean to paint LSEs as assholish. Healthy resolution of conflict leads to growth. If I point out that LSE is being unkind and they say, "Well, I guess I'm just an asshole," because they're compartmentalizing, I respond with, "Not at all. I don't hang around assholes. I just don't appreciate [x]."

Yeah. I might go, "I am an asshole. There's nothing I can do about it."

Also... the mystery of suggestive Fi. I have seen LSEs totally shut down when I "take the wheel" of a conversation and steer it in an Fi-heavy direction. Sometimes this frustrates me because I've just listened attentively to a long Te speech, but when it's "my turn" the LSE has trouble masking the fact that he really is not enjoying himself anymore.

I listen very attentively to Fi info. Just don't expect me contribute because I doubt I can think of anything to contribute, except perhaps by asking a couple of questions. Or something. I think Fi topics can make me nervous because as the conversation goes on, it reminds me of all the foibles/faux pas I might have committed by accident and I just go, "oh, shit... how could I have been so stupid".

I mean, as far as I can tell, you can't perform acts of service over the phone or webcam. You can spend some quality time chatting and give tips, but I would think you're hard-pressed to feel really integral to the relationship at that point, which is probably why my bf delves especially deeply into work and school when I'm not around. And I have to up my ante when it comes to and be especially encouraging without appearing clingy, etc

Yes. Long-term relationships can be really tough.

I want to stress that Duals need to connect, really connect. If they cannot do it for whatever reason the result is just a back and forth monologue like has been described in the quotes above. "Listening attentively to each others monologues" is not necessarily connecting.

I agree. Then again, connecting isn't easy. Both parties have to be willing, for instance, to want to get to know the other and be willing to keep up with the communication even though it may seem momentarily pointless.

I would struggle with long distance for exactly that reason , people are a little bit out of sight out of mind for me, at least after a few weeks.

You could try emails, I know I almost think about a person more when I'm writing long emails to them than I do in person, something about being able to take my time with Fi.

Agreed. Otherwise, it's easy to get caught up in day-to-day life and get fooled into thinking that the person isn't all that important anymore.

[Suz]

Acts of service and quality time. If I can't do anything, render any help to take away their problems I feel like a useless piece of shit. Quality time is a must. The more important the person is to me, the more of my time I am willing to give to them, and I expect the same in return.

Bet this is why my bf struggles more with our long-distance relationship than I do. In fact, IME sensors seem to have more trouble in general maintaining relationships if there is no real life face-to-face interaction. Out of sight, out of mind, perhaps? Tell me what you think, sensors.

I mean, as far as I can tell, you can't perform acts of service over the phone or webcam. You can spend some quality time chatting and give tips, but I would think you're hard-pressed to feel really integral to the relationship at that point, which is probably why my bf delves especially deeply into work and school when I'm not around. And I have to up my ante when it comes to and be especially encouraging without appearing clingy, etc.

I've definitely noticed this about delta STs.

[Suz]

actually i take back what i said. duals SUCK.They really do have a way of hurting you to the core.

The deeper a person can get the more they can hurt you.
Hope you're OK assuming that comment was from a recent real life experience.

Thanks Moredhel for caring... it was from a recent experience. I was pretty hurt a couple nights ago, but then he emailed me and clarified, which made things a little better but still doesn't completely explain his behavior to me. It also means a lot to me that he does care enough to actually clarify. Maybe I overreacted, but perhaps that was because i got so psychologically close to him, in a relatively short amount of time.

[Shazaam]

That's why I like it, because I'm useful, because my tries to peer into things beyond the simple admixture of realistic and immediate things of nature (which is about mobilizing and taking action).

That's Ni and Te. Not Ne and Se. Piercing through the raw reality of things though could be lots of functions. It could even be Fi. But most likely Ni.

Mobilizing and taking action isn't necessarily related to Te either, but it's the analogy that makes the closest sense.

Ne relates to the power of pure potentiality and open-ended options. Ni is about raw piercing insight. "You're just a stupid insecure fag" vs "Well maybe you don't have to be." That example made Ni sound more asshole-ish, which it probably is. But my ego function is balanced with creative Fe, which has all sorts of softness and hugs to it.

[Creepy-Snaps]

That was a very eye-opening post, Mountain Dew. Thank you!

You're welcome!

The deeper a person can get the more they can hurt you.
Hope you're OK assuming that comment was from a recent real life experience.

Duals can really hurt you, especially when they're choosing to.

'Tis better to have love and lost than to have not loved at all. C'mon people, cheer up. The rest of our lives are ahead of us.

When I get something akin to:

"Why are you so incompetent?!"(weak )

"Why don't you stand up for yourself?!", "What do you mean you 'didn't notice it?!'", "Why can't you just say what you mean?!" ( PoLR)

That person is immature, and best not to associate with. Don't blame duality or all LSEs. If he's not mature enough to take you as you are, and realize nobody is perfect, especially when you're trying, then don't worry about him.

I agree with the not retaliating back though. Fights and arguments just aren't worth your time.

[Beautiful sky]

The deeper a person can get the more they can hurt you.
Hope you're OK assuming that comment was from a recent real life experience.

Duals can really hurt you, especially when they're choosing to. I try to stop myself from criticizing the other's weaknesses. That can be hard when 1.- I'm being criticized and I want to (and are quite able to) retaliate and 2.- I want to help them be more [kind, understanding, patient, affectionate, optimistic, open-minded, whatever] without them thinking I don't like them "as they are" and am trying to change them. Too many misunderstandings/arguments related to this come up.

What do you say to him when you criticize him?

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Don't worry too much about it; he's LSE! He just has to get stuff done. That's it. (He's oriented towards external objects -productivity).

Wow boiling down a type to a single concept that's terrible.

Please refer to a post that I made to you in the delta lounge. Thank you.

About the post in the above. I was trying to comfort her worries. It may sometimes be good for people to not over-stress their concerns and not focus on the problem extensively to incur further stress, and causes other matriculating effects.

Do you have a better method/way that I might consider?

[moredhel]

Do you have a better method/way that I might consider?

Be less with your advise. Don't say something as if you are 100% sure and it applies all the time, because we are dealing with psychology that will never be the case.

[Beautiful sky]

Do you have a better method/way that I might consider?

Be less with your advise. Don't say something as if you are 100% sure and it applies all the time, because we are dealing with psychology that will never be the case.

So would you like to me to explain to you why I'm not an base? Is that the type you think I am? I am a rational type and am able to use for the purposes of compare contrast in logic/thought and rational.

I'm trying hard to make it a psychology that will one day be the case, this is part of my dreams for this because it is much more helpful than conventional psychology, imo. - that is idealistic thinking. I'll explain why, it's taking a very ordinary object, Socionics, and seeing beyond it's real life function, as it exists here on the forum, and rendering something (an image or vision) of an ideal for a purpose beyond just the concrete, for the future. Being able to explain this to you means that I am a rational type and I let things come to my conscious awareness and I can than use my logic to convey either my feelings or my thoughts. Both Ne and Se are subconscious processes.

[Diaphanous]

What do you say to him when you criticize him?

Wikisocion:

"LSEs are often unable to control their emotions. They can easily loose their temper with people if their instructions are not followed or if someone's behavior goes against their logic and understanding. When they are in a bad mood they can be very direct, to the point of being verbally abrasive..."

"LSEs get irritated by people who take forever to do things, or who slow down the overall pace of work for no good reason. If someone appears to be doing nothing, the LSE will assume that nothing beneficial is taking place."

He loses his temper a lot and doesn't have much patience. When I feel I need to defend myself I'll point these behaviors out to him. He's struggling to learn balance between getting stuff done in the best way but still being nice about it. I think someone posted something earlier about learning the difference between how to approach a professional environment and a home environment but I think LSEs can easily get stuck in "get stuff done mode" and will approach everything like it's work.

[Beautiful sky]

What do you say to him when you criticize him?

Wikisocion:

"LSEs are often unable to control their emotions. They can easily loose their temper with people if their instructions are not followed or if someone's behavior goes against their logic and understanding. When they are in a bad mood they can be very direct, to the point of being verbally abrasive..."

"LSEs get irritated by people who take forever to do things, or who slow down the overall pace of work for no good reason. If someone appears to be doing nothing, the LSE will assume that nothing beneficial is taking place."

He loses his temper a lot and doesn't have much patience. When I feel I need to defend myself I'll point these behaviors out to him. He's struggling to learn balance between getting stuff done in the best way but still being nice about it. I think someone posted something earlier about learning the difference between how to approach a professional environment and a home environment but I think LSEs can easily get stuck in "get stuff done mode" and will approach everything like it's work.

So basically what you are doing to further aggrivate him is taking a typing description and applying it to him and his behavior? Your actions and behavior go against his logic and understanding? What actions and behavior of your spark the arguments?

Do you remember what exactly you say to him? If you can recount some phrases..maybe that might be difficult as people who are angry often lose track of what the fight was really about, but most fights boil down to the fight.

You don't want him to approach everything like it's work? What do you want him to do?

[noid]

Also... the mystery of suggestive Fi. I have seen LSEs totally shut down when I "take the wheel" of a conversation and steer it in an Fi-heavy direction. Sometimes this frustrates me because I've just listened attentively to a long Te speech, but when it's "my turn" the LSE has trouble masking the fact that he really is not enjoying himself anymore.

I experience this one more time yesterday, a typical LSE guy drive me from brussel to east france. Far less controlling than my previous girlfriend, though. It appear that they somewhat fear the fact Fi "axiom" can be too much "remodeled" with multiple point of view (what I tend to do, especially when unhealthy)...

But in a way, LSE tend to calm me... They often have simple way to see things, are more assertive than me. But im not ready to engage into a sort tunnel vision now.

Anyway there is many interressant post into this thread, finally im very happy to not having erased it.

[rat1]

Duality is found in the oldest religions. Its not like 1 person in socionics came up with it. Also it occurs in nature.. it's like saying 'to the moron who invented number 2'

[Eye of the Potato]

Duality is found in the oldest religions. Its not like 1 person in socionics came up with it. Also it occurs in nature.. it's like saying 'to the moron who invented number 2'

I like that.

Post count? 666? The irony! lol.

[tcaudilllg]

You mean complementarity.

[Suz]

Duality is found in the oldest religions. Its not like 1 person in socionics came up with it. Also it occurs in nature.. it's like saying 'to the moron who invented number 2'

I agree with this actually.

socionics is simply attempting to describe observable phenomena we're already aware of in a way that could potentially be practically applied.

[Suz]

Do you have a better method/way that I might consider?

Be less with your advise. Don't say something as if you are 100% sure and it applies all the time, because we are dealing with psychology that will never be the case.

Maritsa I think this is the key to why so many people here are annoyed with you. Including myself, though i'm not too annoyed with you anymore tbh; your attitude has improved a lot from your initial months here.

[Suz]

I was pretty hurt... Maybe I overreacted, but perhaps that was because i got so psychologically close to him, in a relatively short amount of time.

Replace "he/him" with "she/her" and, word-for-word, this happens to me a couple times a year.

Type-related?

Either way, , WA.

Aww thanks Cili...

Yeah could be type related maybe. I feel like his behavior and some things he said last week pretty much totally rejected all the Fi i'd painstakingly built between us over the past couple months (which he seemed receptive to the whole time!). So I got really insulted, embarrassed, ashamed, hurt, and made an Fi transgression myself (defriended him on fb).

[Lobo]

Eh? You just made me realize that an INFj I recently got to know had given me such Fi advice (I asked for it and it had been excellent in detail). So that is the secret skill of the INFj... Interesting, thanks for enlightening me.

What you've written does make sense. Provided that people do have such natural inclinations, that these inclinations are likely to result in proficiency, that such proficiencies are complementary to that of a dual, and is of a sufficient "quality" to have it appreciated by the dual.

The value of socionics duality may be due to the fact that duals are more likely to be able to render "quality assistance" to their respective duals at the appropriate moments, resulting in gratitude and setting into motion the law of reciprocity, hence developing into a closer relationship which reinforces itself into a positive cycle of trust and comfort.

I had been tinkering with the idea of socionics compatibility at a superficial level. Where one trades ones IM output for the IM output of another, without regard for the type of the individual himself as long as he is able to provide the necessary output at the required time (since different situations requires the use of different functions). Guess this works only for role-based relationships (colleagues, work partners, etc) but not for the more intimate ones where people can't help but be themselves in the long run.

Hmm, I don't see appreciation of a dual as being part of duality, or what leads one to experience duality as well. It just "happens." Ime, it can be too comfortable for its own good at times, and appears kinda dull. It has happened to me that I'm interacting with an LSE and there's no mental spark or anything like that, and then I realize how comfortable I am after some time and then I start feeling something. (I feel the same comfort level with ESEs, btw). Sometimes LSEs really stand out to me in a group and I wonder if it happens to them too. Usually the one thing that I really do see myself appreciating LSEs is when it comes to Si matters. This might have to do with subtypes or enneagram, idk.

What ends up happening is that you might be helping each other out when it comes to a complete information perspective about something, and not feel like the relationship is one-sided or the need of reciprocity. One thing I've also noticed about how I've experienced duality is that there's definitely a sort of illusion aspect to it, where you don't realize how different you are and things seem to just come naturally. It's complicated .

[Aquagraph]

WTF ? its the second time I break a relationship with an LSE ; they are supposed to be my dual. There is actually things I CANT stand with them, yes I cant and will never be used to it.

1) Te dominance : supposed to make me happy with a sort of organisational competence transfert or idk what, but they seem having 0 time for just a bit letting things go, always need to organize something like the place of the toilet brush, especially things that dont correspond to their vision of practicality (ie 90% of what I do) this SUCKS. Im sourounded by Te and my personnality DISINTEGRATE and end up Te anxious at a point I begin to ask me if im not Te phobic POLR .
2) Se demonstrative : on the contrary to the theory, Se demonstrative is OBVIOUS in estj I know, and this DONT FIT AT ALL with my Se least resistance. Yes, yes. Yes im very aware and careful about Se, and ready to run fast when I see an embryon of Se into other. So. some are very self assured controlling brat/auto-convinced sociable even if 0 real skill, worst my last gf was somewhat emotionnaly controlling to , its freak, damn I was becoming paranoid...
3) Fi demonstrative OMG FI DEMONSTRATIVE or the Fi rush, sudden value shot when discussing something calmly with other (especially if no intellectual education), monolog with inappropriate defense of some Fi common place ... They like sometime advice in this area but seem to feel this as a profond attack of the ego, the two LSE I know was really reluctant about refactoring or polishing abrasive corner... Fi discussion are always closed quickly...

now im reggressed and decide like a 12 yo guy that ill never go with another girl even if TRUE and TRUE and PERFECT love.

@Agarina, does it ring any bells?

[Absurd]

[willekeurig]

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[Creepy-male]

Next time things go bad just be like "Augusta said we were meant to be together" -- because that will count for something....... the magic of socionics only works if you believe it and when that fails augusta will rise from her grave and summon a titan from the depths of the sea to crush those that stand in the way of the inexorable will of socionics.

[noid]

well, well. Didnt remember this thread, lol.
The problem of duality is perhaps that things become harder when one become aware of the conflict between id and super-id. Or perhaps all part of a couple have to become aware of it in order to form a healthy relationship. The strong prince and the sensitive princess exist sadly only in hollywood, we are more like some hybrid beast in reality.

[Absurd]

well, well. Didnt remember this thread, lol.
The problem of duality is perhaps that things become harder when one become aware of the conflict between id and super-id. The strong prince and the sensitive princess exist sadly only in hollywood, we are more like some hybrid beast in reality.
Or perhaps all part of a couple have to become aware of it in order to form a healthy relationship.

[noid]