Quote Originally Posted by glam View Post
i think "offensive" humor can be characteristic of many types tbh. using "offensive" behavior to eliminate a Delta typing is probably not enough when taking other things into consideration. also i don't think all Deltas would necessarily find Louis CK to be offensive (Kim said she isn't offended by him, and my IEE mother isn't either )
Where have I said that "offensive humor" is representative of any quadra? That's a misrepresentation of my argument - in fact, I don't consider his comedy to be "offensive". What I have pointed out is that a good deal of his stand-up is based on humor that is shocking, startling, and refreshingly random, and that the pieces about throwing people off the deep end have been fully described in SLE profiles, while not being mentioned in anywhere of Delta STs, since such attitudes would directly contradict Si as the valued element of Delta quadra.

Quote Originally Posted by glam View Post
as other people have mentioned in this thread, Louis CK is a very self-deprecating guy. he's actually a relatively humble and down-to-earth sort of character. his humor is often centered around his own status as an everyman, regular kind of guy.
Self-deprecation isn't specific to any type - SLE duals, IEIs, have been known to rely on it. Furthermore, socionics descriptions of SLIs mention very different traits, so I'm not sure how exactly you and Kim are arriving at the SLI typing, since even the socionics profiles are stating something completely different from what you're describing of Louis CK:

SLI-Si: Somewhat stiff in dialogue, may be laconic, but tries to be good-natured if he feels tensions arise in interaction. Prefers items that are original and of good quality yet simple and unpretentious. Pays attention to his health, appearance, and figure, tries to dress tastefully. Aesthete, enjoys handcrafted items. His movements and gestured tend to be gracefully lazy, fluid, and at the same time confident and exact. His gait is a little lax, elastic. He dislikes hurrying, but at the same time he is not slow. Seems somewhat proud and haughty.

SLI-Te: He keeps at a certain distance from people, closed off, at times overly direct and inconsiderate in conversation. Very independent and proud, acts as he wishes. In conversation he is often waspish and ironic, but becomes amiable and concerned if he feels sympathy and respect for his conversation partner. Noticing that he has offended someone, regrets it and softens in communication, tries to turn everything into a joke, or may even apologize or try to calm the person down.

SLI profile by DarkAngelFireWolf69: Stubborn and uncompromising in that which he considers to be correct. Though he is distrustful of new ideas, after testing them in practice is able to extract benefit from them. Independent. Proud, even haughty, needs a sensitive approach, praise and attention. Inclined towards skepticism. Poorly sees the future evolution of events. Concerned about making timely choices in life, yet feels dependent on the vicissitudes of fate.
Descriptions aside, the SLIs that I have known in real life were not in a habit of putting themselves down - unless they were depressed or had a mood or personality disorder - quite to the contrary, they experienced most trouble admitting when they were wrong, as the profiles detail.

And anyone who has watched enough of Louis' performances would also notice that he has a typical SLE approach to power and control, briefly summarized by this quote:

I grew up in Boston, and in Boston, people just beat the shit out of each other for no reason. They just beat the shit out of each other. But I kinda think you need that to keep quality control 'cause in places where it doesn't have it, they are too free. — Louis CK.


Quote Originally Posted by glam View Post
in contrast, SLEs are characterized by things like bravado, dominance (whether professionally, socially, sexually, etc.), attention to status and image at some level - things that Louis CK could give a fuck all about (even just looking at a photo of him will be indicative of this.)

compare Louis CK to a go-getter SLE such as Alec Baldwin for example.
his subjects of humor [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_C.K
We've been over this before and I pointed out that SLEs don't always fit the stereotypical socionics mold of 'conquistadors' and supermen, and that their personalities are usually more complex and variable than such stereotypes with plenty of outliers, which I have noticed after interacting with several of them.

This debate is rather interesting because during the past few weeks I've witnessed a similar debate on russian socionics forums where several people have tried to bump a SLE sp/sx 9w8 out of Beta quadra using exactly the same kind of argumentation as was presented here - that SLEs are all about dominance and status, while this guy didn't represent anything of the kind. His instincts and ennegram stacked up such that he is rather laid back and somewhat self-deprecating - type 9 is called the "peacemaker" of the enneagram and sp/sx is the most regressive and grounded stacking [mentioned here]. He held his ground on the basis that he's dated several IEIs and was in a LTR with one, and that he was certain that they are his duals. What was interesting in that debate is that members of that forum were completely discounting any alternative influences on his personality in favor of socionics ones. It didn't occur to them that a self-preservation "peacemaker" SLE e9 isn't going to be the "Commander", the "General", or the "go-getter" stereotype painted in the typical socionics profiles. Such consideration required a deeper and broader insight into personality typology that most members of that forum were willing to consider, since they have been hyper-focusing on socionics for years and years and couldn't imagine that there was anything else beyond that could supersede it, which is same to what's been happening on this forum.