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My subconscious, dare I say intuitive, part of my mind was at work today, and the result was that he is actually somewhat more ESE, or at least ESE-Si > LSE-Si. The Si subtype for both of these can be more chill.
I would tend to agree with that.


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And LSE will be more likely to mold to your ethical program (if he respects you and sees you as a useful model);
.... Right. From my experiences, that might not be the best litmus test.


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an ESE will attempt to comply with your wishes or give you what you want. Try to observe how much you actually influence his decision making process. If he's an ESE, it might be something more like "I'm going to be courteous to you and give you space/flexibility because I'm not mean. But ultimately I know the right way to 'ethically' (not morally, but socionics ethics) analyze this situation".
Ok.


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I know you sort of touched on this, but, specifically, comment on the differences between "typical EJ energy" and this guy. And how that compares to your ESE friend.
To me, the ESE friend sounds like a classic EJ, ESE-Fe, very obvious EJ energy and extratim focus. I don't see this guy as that.
I see her more as probably a Si subtype, but I'm open to different opinions on that. I do know that overall she doesn't fit the stereotypical bubbly, social extrovert that many type descriptions present - you know, the ones that talk about ESE's always organizing parties and pushing people to have "fun." But when you dig down into things like temperament, functions / IE ordering, etc. that's the type that best fits her, from my perspective.

I think I need to observe him more to see how his natural flows of energy manifest... I feel like I don't have enough data, that I'm just going on gut feelings and guesses right now.


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Do you have a clear picture of what an ESXj-Si looks like compared to an ESXj-Te or -Fe looks like? The difference in subtypes, basically.
I have ideas in my own head, of course. The reason I made this thread, though, was to get ideas from other people's heads.


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I guess that's the biggest uncertainty here, is how you would comprehend this difference, and also what experiences you've been able to see.
I haven't actually had a lot of time to gain experiences with this guy. All told two weeks at most, really a bit less, despite having known him for a little over a year. We live in different parts of the world most of the year. So my sampling is small to start off with, plus who knows how he's adapted himself thus far.

I think it will be interesting to get my ESE's perspective on him. She's usually got something to say about everybody.

When I asked my SEE friend, who knew him first, what she thinks of him, she shrugged and said something like, "He's ok. Nice. A little European creepy, but not like [another guy who had harassed us]. He's good." (By "European creepy" I think she meant how they tend to invade personal space a bit more than she's used to.)

The last time I saw them talk, though, I sensed some tension. She's quite flirty and chases the boys a lot, and I think he doesn't respect her for that. She was making plans to hang out with a new guy acquaintance at a movie theater, he made a crude gesture toward her, and she flipped him off. When she left a little after that she didn't look especially happy.


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Another question is what is his enneagram type?
And/or, how does he act under stress?
He swears. Then appears to recalculate how to approach things. But those were relatively minor setbacks. I haven't seen him under bigger stress.

I don't know his E-type. Park suggested 9w8.