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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat King Cole View Post
    6w7 it is. I spent two hours talking with my mum, who by my reckoning is 6w7, and this is her self-typing too. In as much as I can actually feel any sense of certainty, and as oxymoronic as this is, I'm sure I'm a 6 now.

    Things we have in common (cliff's notes):

    "Existential anxiety"--the dizziness of freedom*.

    *see quote at bottom of post.

    Sense of perfectionism. (I'm more aggressive about being the Logic Police than my mum, but our internal perfectionistic streak is definitely there.)

    Very profound sense of moral/ethical integrity/commitment. If something is wrong, we say so. If something we believe is later proven wrong, you have to admit it's wrong and rethink things.

    Constant vague wariness over everything. I suppose this is the notion of Sixey vigilance.

    Instantaneous "sixth sense" (hurr hurr) for red flags that things are not as they appear, especially when people are hiding things.

    Constant planning and anticipation. Also ties in the with "dizziness of freedom".

    Sense of an inner void. Hence the planning and worrying, because it seems like there is no standard by which one can act or decide.

    Strong sense of what "feels right". Loyalty to people close to us comes primarily from a sense of it being comfortable and "right". You feel good and nice when you're supportive of family and close friends.

    Extreme paranoia over giving yourself over to ANYTHING that has not passed internal testing. Both Mum and I resist faith, but I've gone the route of eclecticism and picking and choosing philosophies that give me useful guiding principals. I'm not sure what Mum does.

    "Anxiety, however, is a truly existential emotion and in order to better understand it, it is perhaps helpful to turn to the existential philosophers who made a point of studying anxiety in all its forms and all its manifestations. Kierkegaard defines anxiety as the "dizziness of freedom" and describes it as the underlying, all pervasive, universal condition of human existence. Anxiety is then, not fear of any one thing, but of the very condition of being conscious and of having to make choices in a world which does not make its meaning or goals transparent to us and which frequently enough seems inimicable to human aspirations and to human existence. It is this more fundamental emotion which most directly characterizes the core emotional state of type Six, not any of the more immediate fears, which often enough are simply place holders in the consciousness of the type Six personality. It is as though the Six feels their anxiety bubbling up to the center of consciousness and then scans the environment for something external to fear; this feared, but potentially manageable thing, can then occupy the Six's attention and avert it from that nameless horror that they sense might exist at the very heart of human existence."
    Yup, you're a six alright. I think you're most likely a 6w5, that's the impression I get from you.
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    frankly considering your relative comprehension of this material your self-delusion is truly pathetic. perhaps a friend of mine was right in recently saying that some people truly have no self-concept.

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    Haha, ouch. Yeah, I'd agree with your friend. Joy's another walking example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat King Cole View Post
    Haha, ouch. Yeah, I'd agree with your friend. Joy's another walking example.
    it is impossible to defend joy's sense of self, but in terms of my comparison you seem to understand both the enneagram and socionics far better than joy ever did -- as long as they apply to someone who has nothing to do with you personally.

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    Yeah, fair enough. I'm not going to lie about having any well-defined sense of self.

    To be fair, this thread stopped applying to you--and your inscrutable thought processes stopped applying to this thread--around post #6~#7. I don't really like the notion of slow and fast Nines because they break any kind of structural understanding I have of the enneagram, and while being 9w7 possibly answers a lot of questions, it's an unsatisfactory cop-out for me. I want to arrive at a good answer with a system that I somewhat understand and has a transparent internal structure.

    You can consider me an ILE 9w7 all you like. I'm in no position, and have no desire, to argue that with you. I'm sorry for any frustration or offense this thread has caused you.
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    Niff you do realize that there is no popular or even heard-of model of the enneagram in which a 9w7 actually exists
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat King Cole View Post
    Yeah, fair enough. I'm not going to lie about having any well-defined sense of self.

    To be fair, this thread stopped applying to you--and your inscrutable thought processes stopped applying to this thread--around post #6~#7. I don't really like the notion of slow and fast Nines because they break any kind of structural understanding I have of the enneagram, and while being 9w7 possibly answers a lot of questions, it's an unsatisfactory cop-out for me. I want to arrive at a good answer with a system that I somewhat understand and has a transparent internal structure.

    You can consider me an ILE 9w7 all you like. I'm in no position, and have no desire, to argue that with you. I'm sorry for any frustration or offense this thread has caused you.
    i take no offense and no frustration beyond the feeling of " lol .... " and i consider you precisely that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Niff you do realize that there is no popular or even heard-of model of the enneagram in which a 9w7 actually exists
    oh, okay, i didn't realize that because i didn't know what i was doing -- obviously it is wrong then because it is not part of a popular interpretation.

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    Your definitely not a 3 for the main type.

    It could be part of your tritype, in fact I'd think 3w2 would work pretty well for you in the heart triad. Sometimes you ramble on about feeling lonely/sad but its hard to pinpoint this... is it a 9 going through the withdrawl phase feeling underappreciated, is it a 6 feeling anxiety and dread, or is it a 2/3 without enough admiration. It's hard to say, but I hardly ever get the melancholyish/artistic vibe a 4 has from you -- your much more positive.

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    Also a system with 9w7 would complete screw up the mathematics/structure of the enneagram very poorly and some basic assumptions would have to be re-worked.

    You are probably combining the 9 and 7 into a single type because they resemble each other. Both 9 and 7 are part of the same harmonic group, which you probably already know about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz View Post
    Also a system with 9w7 would complete screw up the mathematics/structure of the enneagram very poorly and some basic assumptions would have to be re-worked.

    You are probably combining the 9 and 7 into a single type because they resemble each other. Both 9 and 7 are part of the same harmonic group, which you probably already know about.
    right, thats obviously it. you have crushed to pieces the logical foundation of my hypothesis. please assume more about the nature of its origin, your assumptions will of course have a high likelihood of being correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aestrivex View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz View Post
    Also a system with 9w7 would complete screw up the mathematics/structure of the enneagram very poorly and some basic assumptions would have to be re-worked.

    You are probably combining the 9 and 7 into a single type because they resemble each other. Both 9 and 7 are part of the same harmonic group, which you probably already know about.
    right, thats obviously it. you have crushed to pieces the logical foundation of my hypothesis. please assume more about the nature of its origin, your assumptions will of course have a high likelihood of being correct.
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    I fully endorse gul's SF & not-ILE typing. Anyone who thinks he's ILE needs to be restructuring his understanding of what an ILE is, what Ne is, and what a logical type is.

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    Why not ENFp or a NF. I always thought Gul was intuitive and ethical.

    I'm not 100% sure you're ENFp or not, but I've type you this for a long long time.

    I could see you being a 3w2 of some sort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    I fully endorse gul's SF & not-ILE typing. Anyone who thinks he's ILE needs to be restructuring his understanding of what an ILE is, what Ne is, and what a logical type is.
    no u

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    Well everyone is entitled to an opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    Well everyone is entitled to an opinion.
    ESE or SEI ?

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    For @Gilly.

    Post is a WIP, and kind of a sad effort as it is. More later.

    Of course, the alternative is to take your pick of schizoid personality disorder and complex-PTSD, slap one or both on me, and then grab a type out of a hat and run with it. I don't really expect to convince anyone, but let this thread's revival be my official "don't interrupt me talking about the enneagram" statement.

    Reason I think I'm a Five--

    Things I've been saying for a while that have been consistent across typings:

    Feeling exhausted by other people's needs. I have acquaintances that need a lot of support, or need to be dealt with in specific ways. In two cases, they've been mentally ill, in both cases they've led to me withdrawing from all social contact for various periods of time due to intruding on me too much.

    Mutual non-aggression pact: if you leave me alone, I'll leave you alone.

    The "actor syndrome". I'll assume this or that role or social or interpersonal expectation, but then isolate myself from it internally. In the extreme I tend to lose a sense of personal identity.

    Facts we can all agree on:

    Argumentative and irritable.
    Prone to barking (or laughing) down other people's "idiotic" ideas.

    Personal facts:

    Internal "tinker toy" as R&H put it. Keeping myself mentally occupied with puzzles and thoughts to distract myself from overwhelming challenges in real life. Afraid of working? No problem, I'll just immerse myself in learning how to write advanced bash scripts, or develop one of my thoughts that I'd shelved.

    Prepare-observe-reflect cycles. I'll prepare mentally for something in advance (even simple things, like "talking to a stranger"), making sure I'm competent (reading around on different guides, acting the scenario out in my head), THEN act, then immediately pull back and reflect on what happened (critical evaluation of how sociable I was, what I did wrong, what I could do better next, what insights I've gleaned from the experience about human psychology and body language).

    Emotional isolation/intellectualisation. Trying to stay objective and clear-headed about things to avoid feeling disoriented or at risk of compromising my decision-making ability. Full possession of my rational faculties is a core need of mine.

    Privacy. Just dropping clean off the face of the planet into total solitude when I need space (or if I'm just not feeling sociable).
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    I have never seen someone so insufferable and confused as you Gul. That much is certain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Kam View Post
    I have never seen someone so insufferable and confused as you Gul. That much is certain.
    Only about who I am, but I recently discovered that who I am is being what other people want me to be and being very uncertain of my real identity because of it. By Palmer's reckoning this is a trait of Fives, especially when it comes with emotional isolation from the role-filling, which is typical E5 behaviour in general anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat King Cole View Post
    Only about who I am, but I recently discovered that who I am is being what other people want me to be and being very uncertain of my real identity because of it. By Palmer's reckoning this is a trait of Fives, especially when it comes with emotional isolation from the role-filling, which is typical E5 behaviour in general anyway.
    Sounds like textbook Attachment relation/E3 to me:
    http://www.fitzel.ca/enneagram/ObjectRelns.html

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    Actually, you know what? I'm not interested in talking about myself. Too many empty vessels here, and it dawned on me that I have nothing to prove to any of you. Carry on.
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    You are piecing together tidbits about 5 and attributing your 3 ness to them.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    You are piecing together tidbits about 5 and attributing your 3 ness to them.
    You are piecing together tidbits about me and attributing your 3 ness to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat King Cole View Post
    You are piecing together tidbits about me and attributing your 3 ness to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat King Cole View Post
    You are piecing together tidbits about me and attributing your 3 ness to them.
    Seriously? That's all you've got? You've left your pieces all over this forum...just like I have. Shocker I've picked some up?
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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