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    Personal line of reasoning:

    If you consider the base function as being a type's fundamental way of viewing the world, based on this page, this article, and finally this article, dominance is fairly plainly completely ridiculous, considering my perceptions are dominated by reading people's emotions, or reacting to my own feelings (which I previously described as "comfort", a misconstruction of what Si's domain actually is, which is specific and concrete processes happening in a person or thing in reaction to their or its environment).

    My pushiness in resisting any rebuttals to my beliefs that aren't delivered on my own logical terms. (Fairly consistent in intellectual dominants. Gilly and Richard Dawkins should be the most obvious examples.)

    My personal guidance from ethics (I can put them into words when I'm acting out of them, but there's no explicit rulebook I can call on from memory without some kind of starting point, so this is a potential weak link in my case. Another is that they're personally

    My premeditation on everything. Even when I'm being "reckless" it's because I've decided that the reward outweighs the risks. Or, if I'm being genuinely reckless, it's because I'm in the sway of my emotions and my rational brain has momentarily disengaged. Both this and the "ethicalness" are Rational traits: relevant article.

    The fact that I'm a living persona. Again: dominance. Extraverts have a poor grasp on their internal world because they're living out the external. ENps have poor understanding of the above-mentioned processes, dominants have poor understanding of a unifying logical context in which they're a singular genuine person who exists outside of other people's implicit emotional demands. Gilly's being a living identity crisis comes to mind.

    In a similar family to the above: I liven up significantly once I have an audience, even if it's an audience of one, or just one of my LII buddies who needs to be involved in a crazy spectacle.

    Strong reservations:

    I may be E (and possibly J), but am I EJ? If I am, why do I spend so much time just adrift on a sea of information? (Counter-argument: for a supposed introtim, why am I so hands-on in managing and refereeing people?)

    ESE also works as a nice magic handwave for:

    My "apparent" (but fairly obviously false) dominance, especially considering that I'm either/or ILE or IEE depending who you talk to. IME this sort of dichotomy of inadequates usually hints at a potential other option that needs to be investigated.

    Similarly, my ambiguity between SEI and ILE. Neither of these types should be ambiguous with the other. (Blind assertion, so feel free to prove me wrong on this particular point.)

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    The main thing I'm interested in hearing, and the foundation of this argument:

    While I currently evidently consider myself more or less certain traits compared to some other reference point of myself, how I compare to myself is irrelevant. What matters is thus:

    How do I compare to other people?
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    Maybe a new hobby?

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    I think you're LIE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poli View Post
    Maybe a new hobby?
    Too much time, too little news. I'm still coming to terms with the void in my life now that games are gone.
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    Ive spent periods of my life "lost" in information, and I am an Ej type, I dont see why that would mean you aerent then.

    You wanted to know how you compared with other people, so Im telling you.
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    Apparent laziness and torpor as I just follow my curiosity around. EJs are typically described as having a lot of energy for doing things and meeting people, where I'm more socially introverted and have a tendency to lose focus and get all drifty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat King Cole View Post
    Personal line of reasoning:

    If you consider the base function as being a type's fundamental way of viewing the world, based on this page, this article, and finally this article, dominance is fairly plainly completely ridiculous, considering my perceptions are dominated by reading people's emotions, or reacting to my own feelings (which I previously described as "comfort", a misconstruction of what Si's domain actually is, which is specific and concrete processes happening in a person or thing in reaction to their or its environment).

    My pushiness in resisting any rebuttals to my beliefs that aren't delivered on my own logical terms. (Fairly consistent in intellectual dominants. Gilly and Richard Dawkins should be the most obvious examples.)

    My personal guidance from ethics (I can put them into words when I'm acting out of them, but there's no explicit rulebook I can call on from memory without some kind of starting point, so this is a potential weak link in my case. Another is that they're personally

    My premeditation on everything. Even when I'm being "reckless" it's because I've decided that the reward outweighs the risks. Or, if I'm being genuinely reckless, it's because I'm in the sway of my emotions and my rational brain has momentarily disengaged. Both this and the "ethicalness" are Rational traits: relevant article.

    The fact that I'm a living persona. Again: dominance. Extraverts have a poor grasp on their internal world because they're living out the external. ENps have poor understanding of the above-mentioned processes, dominants have poor understanding of a unifying logical context in which they're a singular genuine person who exists outside of other people's implicit emotional demands. Gilly's being a living identity crisis comes to mind.

    In a similar family to the above: I liven up significantly once I have an audience, even if it's an audience of one, or just one of my LII buddies who needs to be involved in a crazy spectacle.

    Strong reservations:

    I may be E (and possibly J), but am I EJ? If I am, why do I spend so much time just adrift on a sea of information? (Counter-argument: for a supposed introtim, why am I so hands-on in managing and refereeing people?)

    ESE also works as a nice magic handwave for:

    My "apparent" (but fairly obviously false) dominance, especially considering that I'm either/or ILE or IEE depending who you talk to. IME this sort of dichotomy of inadequates usually hints at a potential other option that needs to be investigated.

    Similarly, my ambiguity between SEI and ILE. Neither of these types should be ambiguous with the other. (Blind assertion, so feel free to prove me wrong on this particular point.)

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    This is great, now can you be a good ESE and please take off my quote from your sig considering it's invalid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traveler View Post
    This is great, now can you be a good ESE and please take off my quote from your sig considering it's invalid?
    ftr, doesn't change the fact that I know and have known a plurality of SEIs

    But sure, I could see how it could be seen as mocking you to keep that in my sig. Away it goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat King Cole View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Traveler View Post
    This is great, now can you be a good ESE and please take off my quote from your sig considering it's invalid?
    ftr, doesn't change the fact that I know and have known a plurality of SEIs

    But sure, I could see how it could be seen as mocking you to keep that in my sig. Away it goes.
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    Perhaps it's because you are an ILE and you are just deluded? Why have you not been able to prove you are an ESE or SEI or whatever you think you are? When I say prove I mean demonstrate. You could make a video of yourself and people would be able to easily tell what type you are unless you have already done that in which case you are most likely an ILE. I know quite a few Alpha SFs and as far as I can tell they aren't anything like you but I do know a few alpha NTs that seem to be extremely similar to you, especially the ILEs (and no its not my typing flaws they definitely are alpha NTs and Alpha SFs). You are extremely technical about things your posts are littered with Ti. No Alpha SF is really like that. Why is it that you do not think you are an alpha NT?

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    I'm not even going to bother with your post, it makes me so inarticulate with THE RAGE OF A THOUSAND SUNS.
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    I will prove it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cat King Cole View Post
    What makes you think I've not been able to prove I'm not Alpha SF? The only Alphas who think I'm not Alpha SF are Crispy and Krig, and funnily enough, they both think I'm a -PoLR. Whoops. Guess my posts aren't so self-evidently littered with .
    looks to external, objective factors to get confirmation of other's thoughts on his type; this is conditioned by Se leading to Fe or Te.

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    The notion of "proof" is absurd anyway. Could you prove to a Catholic that saints don't exist and that there is no God? No, they have a preconceived notion that cannot be reasoned with. The same happens with people who are absolutely certain that I'm an ILE. There is simply no way to "prove" that I am not to them.
    This is the very whirlwind of creation of "the drift of information" that Fe ego types get locked into, hence Ti DS

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    As for why I don't think I'm an Alpha NT, a better question would be why don't Alpha NTs think I'm Alpha NT? Surely my identicals would be able to spot another of their kind, yes? Surely they'd be able to relate to my writing style and way of thinking? The simple fact is that they don't, except maybe LIIs and lamenting that most people are intractable dolts.
    Still an external evaluation. Objectifying yourself.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    I wouldn't bother with the post I deleted, it's filled with inarticulate crap.
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    No it isn't. It's very characteristic of ESE.

    They say be yourself. Be it in whatever condition you feel like it not just in your best moment. I think that post is a very good example of what a good post is to type on.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
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