Anders Behring Breivik

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[Absurd]

Hey Ashton, you know who this guy is ?

EDIT: I don't want to be a killjoy or something but this is a slippery topic. He had ties in England.

[Mediator Kam]

He is a model type. Therefore EIE. His Se HA drove him to seek blood.

[717495]

VI wise he seems Ti-ISTJ.

[Ave]

Nah, hes ego, probably without in the ego block.

Yes, ENFps can be serial murderers too, I mean look how naive and nice this guy looks, hes all bubbly and and emathetic in his expressions, yet look at what he did.

[Absurd]

Nah, hes ego, probably without in the ego block.

Yes, ENFps can be serial murderers too, I mean look how naive and nice this guy looks, hes all bubbly and and emathetic in his expressions, yet look at what he did.

You mean beta ?

[Yaaroslav]

He is a model type. Therefore EIE. His Se HA drove him to seek blood.

Do you consider: YOU CAN NOT MISTAKE?

[tcaudilllg]

Anders Behring Breivik is a Norwegian citizen, and the suspected perpetrator of the 2011 Norway attacks, although it is yet unknown if he acted alone.^[1][2][3] On 22 July 2011, he allegedly approached a Labour Party youth camp on Utøya island, posing as a police officer, and then opened fire on the adolescents present, reportedly killing at least 84.^[4] He has also been linked with the bomb blasts which had taken place approximately two hours earlier in Oslo. He was arrested on Utøya, and is currently in police custody.



Still looking for further info. Post it if you have it.

He looks paranoid, like the kind of guy who is always looking over his shoulder.

Reminds me of the kind of guy I'd meet on the street. Kinda clingy, desperate to talk or for any kind of real conversation.

Fuck if I'd met the man we probably wouldn't be at this place now.

[InvisibleJim]

I'm going to deposit that it is entirely appropriate to type this individual; he isn't insane, infact clinically calculating based upon observations in his surrounding environment. On that basis he certainly has Te in his ego block.

He operated on the boundaries of society seeking out new idea plateaus routinely rejecting the social connections and therefore on that basis I'm inclined to theorise he also has Ni in his ego block.

What has priority I have no idea.

[FDG]

I'm going to deposit that it is entirely appropriate to type this individual; he isn't insane, infact clinically calculating based upon observations in his surrounding environment. On that basis he certainly has Te in his ego block.

That could easily be a combination of any sensing and thinking functions, aswell.

[InvisibleJim]

I'm going to deposit that it is entirely appropriate to type this individual; he isn't insane, infact clinically calculating based upon observations in his surrounding environment. On that basis he certainly has Te in his ego block.

That could easily be a combination of any sensing and thinking functions, aswell.

Not really. The perspective direction/attitude of thinking is important here. Sensing, well you'll work that out eventually when you delve into the history of the individual.

a) He was your patient, wasn't he ?

b) Ah yes, if one isn't insane, then one definitely has Te in ego block. That's a nice theory, thank you.

c) Those are not new ideas, where the heck did you get that from ?

a) So what?
b) Nope, that is not what I said. I also have Te in ego block and Fi in my Id. That doesn't mean I rule it out when considering its unsavoury aspects.
c) If these are not new ideas then it should be clear where I got it from: Theory.

[FDG]

That could easily be a combination of any sensing and thinking functions, aswell.

Not really. The perspective direction/attitude of thinking is important here. Sensing, well you'll work that out eventually.

I don't see your point, the situation is much less clearer than you make it to be.

[InvisibleJim]

Not really. The perspective direction/attitude of thinking is important here. Sensing, well you'll work that out eventually.

I don't see your point, the situation is much less clearer than you make it to be.

Just because there is ambiguity does not rule out using the available information to draw preliminary conclusions, clearly I'm not an expert on the individual but I have been reading a bit on him.

[Absurd]

a) So what?

Does socionics owe me a living ? Oh yes, it does

b) Nope, that is not what I said. I also have Te in ego block and Fi in my Id. That doesn't mean I rule it out when considering its unsavoury aspects.

No, it's alright, I like this theory

c) If these are not new ideas then it should be clear where I got it from: Theory.

This is where our ways part for calling something that was thought and outlined before by somebody is not theory. Anyhow, stealing from one is plagiarism, but stealing from many is research.

[InvisibleJim]

I understand that you are annoyed by this:

I can't remember the last time I've seen such a solid Te response on this forum

You shouldn't be.

Does socionics owe me a living ? Oh yes, it does

No, it's alright, I like this theory

This is where our ways part for calling something that was thought and outlined before by somebody is not theory. Anyhow, stealing from one is plagiarism, but stealing from many is research.

What you can do is present one of two things which you have not:

a) Alternate theory.
b) Alternate evidence.

The surrounding details are you have decided to show are irrelevant, and for the better part, contradictory.

You are clearly an intelligent man and therefore I am sure that you can provide a relevant and thorough analysis which will reach a relevant conclusion to rebuke me.

[Absurd]

I'm going to deposit that it is entirely appropriate to type this individual; he isn't insane, infact clinically calculating based upon observations in his surrounding environment.

He was your patient, wasn't he ?

On that basis he certainly has Te in his ego block.

Ah yes, if one isn't insane, then one definitely has Te in ego block. That's a nice theory, thank you.

He operated on the boundaries of society seeking out new idea plateaus routinely rejecting the social connections and therefore on that basis I'm inclined to theorise he also has Ni in his ego block.

Those are not new ideas, where the heck did you get that from ?

[Jarno]

I haven't followed the thread, but just wanted to say I think he's ILE.

[neverthesame]

I think he's ILE too. If that's not it, then EIE. But.. he's ILE alright.

[Jarno]

I think he's ILE too. If that's not it, then EIE. But.. he's ILE alright.

yes he reminds me of ILE-Ti's. his facial expressions etc.

[Gilly]

He reminds me of wikileaks guy, Ill say Ti dominant, LII or LSI

[somavision]

He reminds me of wikileaks guy, Ill say Ti dominant, LII or LSI

Assange? Ha, hadn't seen that at all, but totally agree. No idea about either of their types though.

[Gilly]

Do you consider: YOU CAN NOT MISTAKE?

Yaaro you should know that Americans use a lot of sarcasm

[Park]

Yaaro you should know that Americans use a lot of sarcasm

Lol, the way you call him sounds kinda sexy.

[Gilly]

CRITICAL ERROR
"SLI was my first wild guess" - Dosen't make a sence

CRITICAL ERROR

NOTHING YOU SAY MAKES ANY SENSE

ENGLISH,
MOTHERFUCKER,
DO YOU SPEAK IT?

[Aquagraph]

[Disturbed]

He's an Se-LSI. Se-LSI facial expressions and physical appearance can look exactly like those of SLE and Ti-ILE than those of Ti-LSI do. The Se-LSI is better with logic, is more coherent, and is cooler under pressure than the Ti-LSI and are more effective as terrorists. Se-LSI is quite common in people of Norwegian descent and blonde haired men. Ti-LSI is more common among blacks and middle easterners and they're much less likely to have blonde hair in adulthood.

[The Reality Denialist]

Gulenko typed guy EIE. I could have guessed LSE by looks but I think EIE will do especially the manifesto, knights and stuff.

[Itsme]

I think he is ILI, he planned very long term and was clearly valuing Se and Te,
He based his arguments on a lot of Te and Ni, he wanted to save Europe in the future from islamisation, to protect its Fi values (fi- fighting immorality) by taking Se action.

He is as gamma as it gets, and if you observe people who are similar to him, you will find mostly gammas, which is completely in line with socionic wisdom, because it is TeFi gamma partisanism that is supposed to fight against TiFe Beta authoritarianism (like expansionist Islam or millitant marxism)

The Se/Ni axis of Gamma is primarily concerned with steadfastness and genuine expression. They are acutely aware of the consequences of their actions, both concrete and personal, and are wary of those who seem blindly devoted or pious [...] Their role in quadra progression is to jolt others back to reality, to properly assess their circumstances, and take the necessary action to begin

[Alonzo]

I think he is ILI, he planned very long term and was clearly valuing Se and Te,
He based his arguments on a lot of Te and Ni, he wanted to save Europe in the future from islamisation, to protect its Fi values (fi- fighting immorality) by taking Se action.

He is as gamma as it gets, and if you observe people who are similar to him, you will find mostly gammas, which is completely in line with socionic wisdom, because it is TeFi gamma partisanism that is supposed to fight against TiFe Beta authoritarianism (like expansionist Islam or millitant marxism)

Shut your bitch ass up.

[Itsme]

Shut your bitch ass up.

Wow, you've learned, since you got yourself outargued the last time, you've decided to stick to your natural talent of being a dick now to play it safe.

[Alonzo]

Wow, you've learned, since you got yourself outargued the last time, you've decided to stick to your natural talent of being a dick now to play it safe.

You don't know enough to "out argue" me; you possess neither the range nor the capacity, which is why it's best to communicate with you in the basest way possible--I just want you to shut the fuck up so you don't further embarass yourself with these rank, shit encrusted takes.

Consider it a public service for the intellectually vulnerable.

[Ikite iru]

EIE

I think that brenton tarrant has the same type

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ...otings#Suspect

[Aramas]

https://www.tv2.no/a/8241631/

Here's a link that goes fairly deep into his past, into his mother's and grandmother's history. There were some seriously fucked up people there.

Anders's mother herself described him as a terrible person even before he was born. Can you imagine that? A mother who had already determined her son was evil and "nasty" before he had even left her womb. She wanted to abort him, but it was too late, because it was after the first trimester.

anders-breivik-013.jpg

He looks a lot different as a kid. Not so cold-blooded.

Ultimate source later on in the article: "He had become the scapegoat for his mother's frustrations, the reports concluded.... She openly told her son, 'I wish you were dead'. Also, she was obsessed with sexual themes.... He was brutally rejected. She openly stated, in front of other people, that she wished her son was dead [when he was between the ages of 2 and 4 years]. She clung to Anders, whilst simultaneously rejecting him."

My personal "type diagnosis" for the moment is LII. There's a lot of description of his childhood personality in that article. I suggest those interested in typing him read it.

[Itsme]

So basically you are a tough guy on the internet, that's all your 'superior' abilities boil down to in the end. But don't worry, i will try to minimize your opportunities to further embarrass yourself with your tough guy act which is simply rudeness and a lack of manners in disguise.

[Alonzo]

So basically you are a tough guy on the internet, that's all your 'superior' abilities boil down to in the end. But don't worry, i will try to minimize your opportunities to further embarrass yourself with your tough guy act which is simply rudeness and a lack of manners in disguise.

Sigh. I'll show you how my [critical thinking] abilities are, in fact, superior to yours.

he wanted to save Europe in the future from islamisation, to protect its Fi values (fi- fighting immorality) by taking Se action.

This is the dumb, low information, ill thought through shit I'm talking about.

1.) "Islamization" ≠ immorality. Nice try.

2.) If we go down the simple minded, reductionist route that you suggest, with "islamization" or religion = values, then you can't [as in, it would be illogical and false] speak to Breivik wanting to preserve/protect Europe's Fi subjective religious value system because that's never existed; Europe has never been a religious monolith, moron. Currently, it is comprised of 44 countries with a broad array of [Fi] subjective value systems > for example, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Kosovo are Muslim majority European countries, and have been so for centuries. If someone were trying to enforce a uniform, collective value system (e.g., Christianity) onto everyone else/the tribe, that would fall under the realm of Fe valuing, which speaks more accurately to Breivik's motives.

You evoke [Se] hostility from me because you violate MY [Fi] subjective, personal, deeply held value system, which I feel compelled to ferociously defend; I'm only aiming to speak for myself, in my defense of what I believe is "right." I won't allow MY moral subjectivity to be trampled over. In contrast, the bullshit below is speaking to a [Fe] collectivist, morally objective world view, in the "rallying behind a unified ideal," "us Vs them" Beta sense >

"Hello. To you all good English men and women, just wanted to say that you're a blessing to all in Europe, in these dark times all of Europe are looking to you in search of inspiration, courage and even hope that we might turn this evil trend with islamisation all across our continent." --Bitch ass Breivik

3.) Your views are inherently "rude," "ill mannered," and beyond that, violent, and so you deserve nothing less in response. I don't do that surface level civility bullshit when the meat, the substance of your ideology/argument is blatantly uncivil. That reeks of weak moral fiber.

[Itsme]

If a religion that thinks that beating women and forcing them to have sex with you, owning them and throwing homsexuals of rooftops is the right thing to do, i guess you could call that immorality.

It may be a different moral system and worldview, but here it is not about figuring on a philosophical level if women are more happy being suppressed or killing gays is basically gods will because they sinned and we would be all better without them, this is about seeing that a person that values Fi could see this as a Violation of Fi values and try to fight this kind of evil in a Fi- way.
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Wow what a bunch of horseshit, of course certain civilizations have certain values. Everything else is universalist bullshit and only shows the inability to get out of black and white thinking.
If you start regarding morality as a system which differs for many cultures you could be able to understand that there are people following values completely opposing what you think is right without necessarily being bad people.
It is not about Religious values its about general cultural values. And in the end it is about ethnicity and religious (cultural) background.
Because all of this compassion and other cheek Delta Fi stuff has christian roots too and this self disarming denazification and 'there is no-race' bullshit has never been done to those who will never forget that western values and hegemony have not been established by moral superiority but by violence and force.

Islamic societies are a lot more Ti-Se.
Breivik did not want to unify anyone, at least not for Fe reasons. He was a lone wolf.
If you want to see how betas do stuff like this, look at the Manson Family, NSDAP or gang culture.
Cherry-picking one quote that sounds a bit Fe-y will not change anything about more than thousand sites with an Te analysis of the status quo and strategies for action.
I have by far not read everything but he is said to have very meretriciously documented everything he did. His manifesto is probably what 4dTi 3dTe looks like. Also his Emotionless demeanor looks a lot like Fe-polr, so don't tell me he was Fe lead.
He cried one time in Court when he was moved for Fi reasons and not to stirr up the atmosphere. His whole action is Gamma Fi- Self sacrificen and can very well be Fi hidden agenda motivated.
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So no, your typing is shit.

[Adam Strange]

Early abuse can have a horrible effect on anyone.

In the early pictures of Brevik, he looks SEE, in my opinion. A very harmed, very hurt SEE.

For those who think he acted like an ILI, when your top two valued functions aren't saving you from destruction, you then turn to your weaker two valued functions, and you turn into an incompetent version of your dual.

[Itsme]

For those who think he acted like an ILI, when your top two valued functions aren't saving you from destruction, you then turn to your weaker two valued functions, and you turn into an incompetent version of your dual.

He was very future oriented, planned it for years and named his Manifesto with the year "2083 - [...]".

Also he was not incompetent at all. He Planned very thoroughly, succeeded with high numbers and even joked in his manifesto about playing the system to prepare his actions. In my opinion this both speaks for High Te and High Ni usage.
He trained beforehand, got himself pumped up by steroids and calculated what kind of drug cocktail will enhance his performance best.

Also his demeanor does not really speak of 4dFe and writing such a detailed future oriented manifesto while planning for years without ever letting anything slip out sounds not 1d Ti and Ni or Se-Ego.

[Ikite iru]

https://youtu.be/aVD9Q35N8P4

IEI-D

[The Reality Denialist]

https://youtu.be/aVD9Q35N8P4

IEI-D

mb Si valuing due to liking moisturizing lotion, is particular about prison coffee, does not like microwaved food

https://youtu.be/hghyz2yWtWQ?t=56