which function is more apparent in most people?

[Joy]

the 3rd or the 6th?

[anndelise]

the 3rd or the 6th?

Personally. I find the 6th function easier to notice, in myself & in others. though in some people it may take me some time to distinguish it as their 2nd or 6th.

I often find myself trying to figure out if a function is their first, or if it's actually their third.

[Joy]

I often find myself trying to figure out if a function is their first, or if it's actually their third.

indeed

[Joy]

I would think that if a function is somewhat apparent, but not one of the first two functions, that it is the third function... particularly if they're not willing to be led in that function. The 6th function welcomes direction.

[dreamer]

I have not read a lot about functions. Second, third, sixth? What? Website links anyone?

[Kristiina]

I have not read a lot about functions. Second, third, sixth? What? Website links anyone?

Nice summary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socionics

[anndelise]

I would think that if a function is somewhat apparent, but not one of the first two functions, that it is the third function... particularly if they're not willing to be led in that function. The 6th function welcomes direction.

Welcomes it, perhaps. But people tend to utilize it extensively if there is no other "provider".

[Joy]

don't forget implied and msk

[Joy]

ashton, I said "more" apparent, not "most" apparent

[Joy]

Since when did Peter have any trouble typing himself?

peter is not ENTp

[Kristiina]

Kraus, very good questions! :wink:

Dynamicism, sorry, but you're wrong. The functions are all difficult to notice. There are often only hints of functions. After you have typed at least 2-3 people of the same type, you'll be able to see that type of behavior in other people of the same type. There are rarely clear rules how to type and there are rarely clear-cut types.

[Kristiina]

Kraus, very good questions! :wink:

Dynamicism, sorry, but you're wrong. The functions are all difficult to notice. There are often only hints of functions. After you have typed at least 2-3 people of the same type, you'll be able to see that type of behavior in other people of the same type. There are rarely clear rules how to type and there are rarely clear-cut types.

Yeah, you're really one to talk, being that you're flat out incapable of typing yourself and others properly - and you're one of the most flagrant examples of a person who knows nothing about the functions. And whatever it is you think you know is always wrong to an asinine degree.

You're telling me this? haha. After saying the most stupid thing I've heard whole week! (that functions are clearly seen in people). Who the hell do you think you are?!

[FDG]

My take on the function that is the most apparent: rational ego block function.

So for rationals it's the first, the second for irrationals.

[Expat]

My take on the function that is the most apparent: rational ego block function.

So for rationals it's the first, the second for irrationals.

I think that's very often the case, perhaps most often, but not always -- for instance, in the case of dominants, especially the sensory subtypes, I think it's the that's most apparent.

I'm not sure how to put this into a system, though.

[Kristiina]

I can't really see the functions as clearly as the full image. When I look at someone, I just get a feeling - "he's the kind of person, who is easy to talk to, he is friendly and considers the feelings of others. He won't smile much, even if he is in a good mood." The more people I type, the more likely I am to read the right signals.

For example - ENFps are easy to confuse for having a lot of . Even if it's not .

[FDG]

For example - ENFps are easy to confuse for having a lot of . Even if it's not .

I disagree, most ENFps don't like Fe stuff at all. You might have a distorted image of ENFps. After all, think about their dual - it's unlikely that if they were Fe-alike they wouldn't get on the nerves of a Fe PoLR person.

[FDG]

My take on the function that is the most apparent: rational ego block function.

So for rationals it's the first, the second for irrationals.

I think that's very often the case, perhaps most often, but not always -- for instance, in the case of dominants, especially the sensory subtypes, I think it's the that's most apparent.

I'm not sure how to put this into a system, though.

Well, yeah, it was more of a rule of thumb.

Supposing that half of the population is rational, and half irrational, and half of the irrational are base-function subtype and the other half is creative-function subtype, this method would work 3 times out of 4.

Strong assumptions I know

[Joy]

again, I don't care which function is MOST apparent... I'm wondering if the role is more apparent than the hidden agenda... I'm willing to accept that in mature people, the hidden agenda is more apparent and in most people the role is more apparent.

[Expat]

Something else - -

Stepping a bit outside "conventional" socionics (ie Model-A centred) and shifting to the behavior-focused socionics based on Reinin and Gulenko that Smilingeyes explores, I'd say that what's most apparent is not the function, but the socionics temperament, ie:

Whether you are

EP, EJ, IP, IJ

Consider -- whenever the behavior (which is what we observe IRL) of a person is described, it's fairly common to be uncertain whether someone is ENTp or ENFp, ESFp or ESTp, INTp or ISTp, INFp or ISFp, ISTp or ISFp. INTj or INFj, ISTj or ISFj, ISTj or INTj. Etc - -

I think we usually first notice the socionics temperament of the person (EP, EJ, IJ; IP) and then we observe the Quadra values, including the ego functions.

Please note that I'm talking of real-life observations here; when reading description it can be more difficult.

[Joy]

yeah, well there are things that make the whole j/p thing difficult... a j type with ADD will seem like a p type, and a p type with OCD will seem like a j type.

[Ms. Kensington]

might this be different for oneself from what it is to others? I took the original question as which function one SHOWS the most. That means, which behaviors does a person show the most to the outside world, and which function is associated with these behaviors?

I think the answer would be a producing function, and so the 6th. (?) For oneself, one's third function is conscious and might make sense to come up more in the person's conscious thought when typing oneself, so maybe the answer might be different for typing oneself.

However, I agree with Hugo or was it Jimmy? That said that the functions most prominent in a person's type are the first, second, and sixth most of the time.

[Joy]

good point msk. I think either/or.