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    Turns out I'm LSE after all. Should've stuck with my first gut, my original typing from many months ago. Would've saved a lot of time. Anyway, at least I feel I understand socionics better than ever before. And I feel I understand myself better, which is always a plus.

    Sorry for confusing everyone with mistypings, changing typings before, or for acting unlike my normal self, for acting abnormally bubbly or aggressive, for losing my temper before, or for everything. I hope to be accepted as LSE.

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    Only if you take the bouncing heads out of your signature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    Only if you take the bouncing heads out of your signature.
    That's unconventional warfare.

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    you know what i think already.

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    TOLD YOU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    TOLD YOU.
    Haha thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    Only if you take the bouncing heads out of your signature.
    Done.

    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    Only if you take the bouncing heads out of your signature.
    That's unconventional warfare.
    Haha. It's np.

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    I miss the smileys.

    (But, really, welcome back. )
    I'll still throw some in here and there.

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    you know what i think already.
    Yes I do. But you don't know what I think. For the record, I think you're Beta NF. Everything I read about INFjs says they generally remain neutral in conflict situations, being fired on from both sides. But not you laghlagh. You seem to be more aggressive, having no problem going out of your way to state your opinion, and get into the fray. Not to start an argument first time back in Delta, but just my 2cents.

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    You're LSE? Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    You're LSE? Why?
    Because I am.

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    i didnt say you didnt think i was cool, i pointed out that you just now expressed a differing opinion about my type. the fact that the type you propose is in your opposing quadra may or may not be coincidental, but i doubt it.

    i also didnt say you werent allowed to like beta NFs. it just happens to be maybe a coincidence, maybe not, that they happen to be in the opposing quadra of LSE.

    i also didnt say you told me to suck a "d" (why are we more chaste now?) because you were my conflictor, just pointing out the timing. coincidence?

    you have a habit of reading what i dont say. this is a common complaint from Te valuing types about Fe valuing types.

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    [quote=Mountain Dew;791222]
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    Only if you take the bouncing heads out of your signature.
    Done. [QUOTE]

    Bless you.
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    I've always seen you as SEE, and it's not something I can explain atm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    Yes I do. But you don't know what I think. For the record, I think you're Beta NF. Everything I read about INFjs says they generally remain neutral in conflict situations, being fired on from both sides. But not you laghlagh. You seem to be more aggressive, having no problem going out of your way to state your opinion, and get into the fray. Not to start an argument first time back in Delta, but just my 2cents.
    Heh, she's not aggressive, just opinionated. I think I'm more aggressive than she is, and I'm not Beta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    I've always seen you as SEE, and it's not something I can explain atm.
    This explains a lot. WA will agree as well.

    Heh, she's not aggressive, just opinionated. I think I'm more aggressive than she is, and I'm not Beta.
    I don't know where did he got that from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    Oh, and regarding the OP, I've pretty much had a consistently positive impression of you, MD. Not that that really means much (liking =/= same valued functions). But, hey, if you want to hang out here, be it temporarily or permanently, that's fine with me.
    Quote Originally Posted by moredhel View Post
    OP (which i'm guessing means On point), sorry for hyjacking your thread MD welcome to the quadra, i'll trust your an LSE for now not that it's overly important if your not.
    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    i see md as ESE and i'm not going to pretend otherwise out of some kind of ethical imperative to be tolerant of peoples self-typings.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    I've always seen you as SEE, and it's not something I can explain atm.
    Thanks guys. Regarding my type, I'm just going to continue to try to be myself more, and not anything fake. As ananke wisely told me a long time ago, 'just be yourself, and your true type will come out in the long-run.' So that's what I'm going to do. I'm not going to act more LSE-ish to try to convince anyone, and I respect not only the people who welcome my type-switch and welcome me into Delta, but also the people who are bold enough and confident enough to stand up and say they disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    you know what i think already.
    Yes I do. But you don't know what I think. For the record, I think you're Beta NF. Everything I read about INFjs says they generally remain neutral in conflict situations, being fired on from both sides.
    Where did you read this, if I may ask?
    I'm sort of under the impression that what you're describing is a personality trait more so than a type one, if type related it's probably more Enneagram 9

    But not you laghlagh. You seem to be more aggressive, having no problem going out of your way to state your opinion, and get into the fray. Not to start an argument first time back in Delta, but just my 2cents.
    While I don't speak to LL off the forum, I have never seen any posts of hers that would incite aggression, possibly defensiveness though when warranted (IMO at least). I'd also keep in mind this part about Se PoLR

    The individual tends to overreact to aggressive or confrontational behavior, taking it as a personal threat when it may only be a knee-jerk reaction or the result of a bad mood.
    I think this matches-up with how LL reacted to some things on here, I do too. While I can't speak for LL, when I'm getting defensive it's because I feel I'm being attacked and later feel shameful of how I've taken things to heart too much.

    It sort of feels like when someone comes up behind you to spook you (Like ) even if it's a friend and not done to harm you, the first reaction is going to be "ahhhh!" and than afterwards you feel slightly embarrassed for letting them catch you off guard.


    I also don't see anything she wrote here that sounds aggressive or purposely argumentative except for her voicing her disagreement with your self-typing. Keeping in mind that you created this thread about your type, it isn't as if she's been following you around commanding you into a type in order to get under your skin.
    IMHO, LL at the very least is most likely a Delta NF; I won't go into a huge analyses of it here since this is your thread (but of course you could disagree that I'm not FiNe either)

    In terms of you being LSE, it's possible, your Ni PoLR strikes me as more evident than what your suggestive function is, and it's not outrageous for an Te dominant to use Fe

    What I've read about Fi suggestive is that it's a need to know how people feel about you, whether they like you or hate you and if they are ethically drawn to or repulsed by what you may be saying or doing at any time. This is what helps the Te dominant know where they stand in the relationship with the Fi dominant
    While I'm sure you're already read this at the wiki, I'm going to post it anyways since it articulates what I'm trying to explain

    The individual tends not to consider whether people are friends or enemies or whether they feel good will or ill will towards them. Instead, he or she usually acts right from the start as if the other person were a friend or an enemy based on their prior knowledge of what the person does. This makes it possible to mistake a friend for an enemy and vice versa.

    Only gradually does the individual come to recognize what feelings others have for him, and there is always an element of doubt unless others express those feelings verbally and unambiguously and act in a way that clearly matches their stated feelings, over a sufficient period of time.

    The individual is easily made insecure about the status of personal relationships and needs frequent reassurance that the other person's feelings have not changed.
    Is this something you relate to MD? That is, do you want constant reassurance in your relationships with people because you lack the ability to gauge people and their feelings towards you?
    This is of course a vague question, but it might help some discussion on what your suggestion function is, which could point you closer to proving your LSE, or not
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    Quote Originally Posted by moredhel View Post
    OP (which i'm guessing means On point)
    I've always understood OP to mean "original post" or "opening post" or "original poster."



    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    im not sure whether lobos comments and minde's support were intended as passive aggressive jibes or not but since i havent gotten an answer i'll just address them as though they were.

    i've disliked people and typed them LSE before. i see md as ESE and i'm not going to pretend otherwise out of some kind of ethical imperative to be tolerant of peoples self-typings. i will concede that the insistence of my opposition is influenced by my opinion of him. but if i was going entirely by spite i would have accepted SLE as a typing for him...i never did. also, to compare my posts to md's in terms of making assumptions about people's intentions is absolutely ludicrous - i'm not nearly as outlandish in my interpretations and at the very least i'm pretty transparent about being open to being corrected.
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    For the sake of clarity: No, in no way was I being passive aggressive. I really don't care at all what you think of MD's, or anybody else's, type. Therefore, I have little to no reason to invest any feeling or effort in trying to get you to see otherwise. That may sound somewhat offensive to you (after all, most people like it when others value their opinion) but hopefully it at least relieves you of any feeling of me attacking you for your opinion.


    But while we're on the topic:
    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    one more step on the path to nirvana i cant take this anymore lol

    it warms my heart to see all this pseudo-neutral benevolence from the fi egos
    If anything, this seems passive aggressive to me. FWIW.
    Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.

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    i was just told the other day that my way of voicing objections was unobtrusive and perhaps ineffectual. peoples opinions of my assertiveness seem to depend largely on what they think my type is, which is completely unsurprising given the way that most people around here tend to view other humans.

    now we've got three for three with the inconsistency: i could suck a dick when i was your conflictor, and then i was kinda cool when you started considering LSE again, and then when i made it clear i disagreed with LSE you decided i was in an opposing quadra. weak Ti and ignoring Fi, perhaps?

    it doesnt matter, i expect this will be short-lived. have fun feeling more Logical and Competent or whatever this is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    now we've got three for three with the inconsistency: i could suck a dick when i was your conflictor, and then i was kinda cool when you started considering LSE again, and then when i made it clear i disagreed with LSE you decided i was in an opposing quadra. weak Ti and ignoring Fi, perhaps?
    1) I still think you're pretty cool, and I still think you're Beta NF. How is that logically inconsistent? Am I not allowed to like Beta NFs now all of a sudden? See, you're the one who seems to value Ti yet be weak at it.

    2) I didn't tell you to 'suck a d' before just because you were my conflictor. Rather, as I already explained, and don't wish to explain again, it was because you misinterpreted my motives, and seemed to dislike my type-switching, or thinking I was being fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    or thinking I was being fake.
    You were being fake. Whether you're ESE or LSE, at some point you pretended to be the other using your role function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    parksters wording was fine with me. i appreciate him being straightforward if anything. if anyone would like to join wa in taking this opportunity to say what theyve really been feeling i would appreciate it, pm if you prefer.

    parkster youre more transparent than you might think.

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    LIE.

    But LSE is still a better guess than ESE, or especially xLE.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    LIE.

    But LSE is still a better guess than ESE, or especially xLE.
    stop that

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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    LIE.

    But LSE is still a better guess than ESE, or especially xLE.
    stop that
    What, exactly?
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    lolll, do SLIs routinely use youtube videos to communicate? this is becoming a trend, i've observed...
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    Oh god help us all....
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    Turns out I'm LSE after all. Should've stuck with my first gut, my original typing from many months ago. Would've saved a lot of time. Anyway, at least I feel I understand socionics better than ever before. And I feel I understand myself better, which is always a plus.

    Sorry for confusing everyone with mistypings, changing typings before, or for acting unlike my normal self, for acting abnormally bubbly or aggressive, for losing my temper before, or for everything. I hope to be accepted as LSE.

    Thanks,
    MD
    The second paragraph makes me think you are STILL basing your type on personality. You'll change your type again even if this ones right, I'll bet. Well it is called 16types.

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    lobo if at any time you feel like explaining where you're coming from i'm listening.

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