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    Goddamnit. You all annoy me to no end. How anyone could ever think I'm an IEI is beyond me, considering I am really getting to know how they "work" ... we clash so often.

    One thing in particular is their insularity. Maybe this is just an sp first thing, or even an introverted thing but with some IEIs... omg I could wring their necks because they're so hidden, yet they complain and whine about feeling alone and "misunderstood".

    Damn... like you know you could maybe exercise some and get out there & stop bashing "OTHER" people as the crazies of this world, when really it's just your own pretentiousness?

    I hate when IEIs get all negative and depressed about the supposed injustices and superficiality of the world. Musicians like Thom Yorke, Morrissey... kill me now. I would slap some sense to them if I ever met them. Their allegedly "brilliant" music may be so but God, is it EVER melancholy and inert! JESUS!

    I try and draw you out, you just retreat more. Do you even WANT friends? ...

    Too much IEI in my life.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettLux View Post
    Goddamnit. You all annoy me to no end. How anyone could ever think I'm an IEI is beyond me, considering I am really getting to know how they "work" ... we clash so often.

    One thing in particular is their insularity. Maybe this is just an sp first thing, or even an introverted thing but with some IEIs... omg I could wring their necks because they're so hidden, yet they complain and whine about feeling alone and "misunderstood".

    Damn... like you know you could maybe exercise some and get out there & stop bashing "OTHER" people as the crazies of this world, when really it's just your own pretentiousness?

    I hate when IEIs get all negative and depressed about the supposed injustices and superficiality of the world. Musicians like Thom Yorke, Morrissey... kill me now. I would slap some sense to them if I ever met them. Their allegedly "brilliant" music may be so but God, is it EVER melancholy and inert! JESUS!

    I try and draw you out, you just retreat more. Do you even WANT friends? ...

    Too much IEI in my life.
    The type of INFp whom you are describing reminds me of the Ni-INFps I have known irl......

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettLux View Post
    I try and draw you out, you just retreat more. Do you even WANT friends? ...

    Too much IEI in my life.
    stop going after these IEIs then and go after people who are more open and receptive - why do extraverts keep going after introverts and then get frustrated and complain how they are, well, introverted?

    these IEIs will sort out their problems, which may take years of empty philosophizing, pointless intellectual masturbation, a couple of existential crises and may be some drugs, and then when they are ready they'll come out

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    It's one thing to insult our laziness, it's a whole nother thing to insult our music.
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    I think I "get" IEIs for the most part. They can't help but entertain thoughts in their head about the darker side of life, the negative progress of events. It's not that they enjoy doing so because no one does (even though they claim they do as a coping strategy), but it's something their minds seem to be wired to do. You can't just show them a potentially life threatening scenario, and not have them imagine someone dying, scene by scene in their heads... Noticing how predictable things can be is a depressing experience as well. They can (and probably will) go to great depths to explore a dark side of the human experience in their mind. The problem is that they probably don't have an escape plan, and end up going deeper and deeper, which will undoubtedly change their general mood to one that requires isolation to breathe.

    They are more inclined towards observation, rather than active participation of the events around them too. Combined with how sensitive they can be, there's a reason for being insular. If they externalize and become active, truly accept that they aren't guru know-it-alls of humanity (which is what makes them world weary), and in some cases just get over themselves, then they probably could lead happier and more social lives as I've seen many do.

    If they complain about being alone and misunderstood, they probably are, regardless of you seeing otherwise. The fact is, most people are like this as well, but don't dwell on it. You can accept it as truth and not be depressed about it without having to live in a fairy tale world. The goal to get through to an insular IEI if you care about them enough, imo, is to help them remove unrealistic-idealistic expectations. They have to suffer a mental death of those expectations in order to be reborn into a happier person. It's like flipping a switch. Encouraging the development, or at least non-avoidance, of non-quadra functions can help a lot too (would recommend Fi and Ne in particular, since it's easier for beta NFs, don't just shut them off because they are not naturally beta). Seeing how other types deal with similar situations and adapting them to your own style is helpful too.
    for real lobo. I feel you dog.
    Quote Originally Posted by sleep View Post
    This sounds exactly like a LTR I had with an SEE. She would always fucking complain and I would get pissed about being invalidated and then not talk to her for a couple days and then everything would be fine again and then she would become a bitch again, on and on, and we would accuse each other of being the one at fault because we were both wanting totally opposite things. Is this about right?

    Sounds like you both demotivate one another with your expectations. This is how I understand the HA in duality is that if you were with an ILI, he would provide Te and that would produce your Fi, but instead you're getting Fe which doesn't validate and motivate you. And he's getting Fi, which doesn't validate and motivate him.

    ...I guess...whatever.

    I still have a point if you want it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow View Post
    It's one thing to insult our laziness, it's a whole nother thing to insult our music.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    I think I "get" IEIs for the most part. They can't help but entertain thoughts in their head about the darker side of life, the negative progress of events. It's not that they enjoy doing so because no one does (even though they claim they do as a coping strategy), but it's something their minds seem to be wired to do. You can't just show them a potentially life threatening scenario, and not have them imagine someone dying, scene by scene in their heads... Noticing how predictable things can be is a depressing experience as well. They can (and probably will) go to great depths to explore a dark side of the human experience in their mind. The problem is that they probably don't have an escape plan, and end up going deeper and deeper, which will undoubtedly change their general mood to one that requires isolation to breathe.

    They are more inclined towards observation, rather than active participation of the events around them too. Combined with how sensitive they can be, there's a reason for being insular. If they externalize and become active, truly accept that they aren't guru know-it-alls of humanity (which is what makes them world weary), and in some cases just get over themselves, then they probably could lead happier and more social lives as I've seen many do.

    If they complain about being alone and misunderstood, they probably are, regardless of you seeing otherwise. The fact is, most people are like this as well, but don't dwell on it. You can accept it as truth and not be depressed about it without having to live in a fairy tale world. The goal to get through to an insular IEI if you care about them enough, imo, is to help them remove unrealistic-idealistic expectations. They have to suffer a mental death of those expectations in order to be reborn into a happier person. It's like flipping a switch. Encouraging the development, or at least non-avoidance, of non-quadra functions can help a lot too (would recommend Fi and Ne in particular, since it's easier for beta NFs, don't just shut them off because they are not naturally beta). Seeing how other types deal with similar situations and adapting them to your own style is helpful too.
    for real lobo. I feel you dog.
    Quote Originally Posted by sleep View Post
    This sounds exactly like a LTR I had with an SEE. She would always fucking complain and I would get pissed about being invalidated and then not talk to her for a couple days and then everything would be fine again and then she would become a bitch again, on and on, and we would accuse each other of being the one at fault because we were both wanting totally opposite things. Is this about right?

    Sounds like you both demotivate one another with your expectations. This is how I understand the HA in duality is that if you were with an ILI, he would provide Te and that would produce your Fi, but instead you're getting Fe which doesn't validate and motivate you. And he's getting Fi, which doesn't validate and motivate him.

    ...I guess...whatever.

    I still have a point if you want it.
    The main appeal of semi duality is free sex and excitement. Or is that because SEE is my semi dual...
    Actually I'd say that's probably correct... although after 2 years of sex with my semi-dual I'm not sure I could ever stand another night or not. >_<

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    Quote Originally Posted by siuntal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettLux View Post
    I try and draw you out, you just retreat more. Do you even WANT friends? ...

    Too much IEI in my life.
    stop going after these IEIs then and go after people who are more open and receptive - why do extraverts keep going after introverts and then get frustrated and complain how they are, well, introverted?

    these IEIs will sort out their problems, which may take years of empty philosophizing, pointless intellectual masturbation, a couple of existential crises and may be some drugs, and then when they are ready they'll come out
    Ha. I guess that's true. But on a surface level I just am attracted to introverts.. extraverts just annoy me because I feel like they're taking my spotlight with their incessant chatter and activity... Yeah I guess you're right, can't ever win!


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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettLux View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by siuntal View Post
    stop going after these IEIs then and go after people who are more open and receptive - why do extraverts keep going after introverts and then get frustrated and complain how they are, well, introverted?

    these IEIs will sort out their problems, which may take years of empty philosophizing, pointless intellectual masturbation, a couple of existential crises and may be some drugs, and then when they are ready they'll come out
    Ha. I guess that's true. But on a surface level I just am attracted to introverts.. extraverts just annoy me because I feel like they're taking my spotlight with their incessant chatter and activity... Yeah I guess you're right, can't ever win!
    Just because we introverts don't like the spotlight doesn't mean we want to be the audience. Surrounding yourself with introverts won't make you the centre of attention. It just makes you the loudest.

    If you're as transparent to them as you are on this forum it is no wonder IEI's don't open up to you. They won't let in someone they think want them on a superficial level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettLux View Post
    Goddamnit. You all annoy me to no end. How anyone could ever think I'm an IEI is beyond me, considering I am really getting to know how they "work" ... we clash so often.

    One thing in particular is their insularity. Maybe this is just an sp first thing, or even an introverted thing but with some IEIs... omg I could wring their necks because they're so hidden, yet they complain and whine about feeling alone and "misunderstood".

    Damn... like you know you could maybe exercise some and get out there & stop bashing "OTHER" people as the crazies of this world, when really it's just your own pretentiousness?

    I hate when IEIs get all negative and depressed about the supposed injustices and superficiality of the world. Musicians like Thom Yorke, Morrissey... kill me now. I would slap some sense to them if I ever met them. Their allegedly "brilliant" music may be so but God, is it EVER melancholy and inert! JESUS!

    I try and draw you out, you just retreat more. Do you even WANT friends? ...

    Too much IEI in my life.
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    Hm. I generally really like introverts and feel instantly protective toward them. I find their so-called insularity really intriguing. What's going on in that person's world? Will they let me in? If they do, I feel really privileged. There's something beautiful and steady about that rich inner space.

    I type my best friend IEI, and although at times she has been a bit ... lost in realms that I don't experience--I believe she'd agree with that assessment--I am so grateful that she shares her reality with me and, increasingly (through art) with the world at large.

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    All this neurotic ranting about IEIs being too idealistic or too 'fairytale land' is a moot point.

    The creator of Xena: Warrior Princess was playing complete make-believe, and they still were successful in life and raked in the dough. Right?

    A jewish actor playing somebody else on tv is completely in make-believe lala land, but they still are most likely way more richer and successful than you. And it's all a joke. It's all nothing. There is nothing 'real' about what they're doing!!! A narcissist CEO writer of a hit hollywood show is most likely an IEI type.

    And this is objective. You can't deny that.

    An IEI just needs to be in a situation where our more ideal natures will shine.

    Being logical and rational is overrated. You can still succeed in life being an emotional IEI. LoL. It's all about finding the right sort of thing that suits you.

    Middle-class jobs do not really suit an IEI usually, so we rant against them.

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    I just took a huge shit. But the piece of shit is real. Because it's real in REALITY I have to be a real man and smear it all over my face or I'm being too much of a fuzzy-clouded idealist. We can't have that...

    I have to face reality. I have to smear this turd all over my face or I'm not being a practical worthy human being. Because after all, this piece of shit is real but my ideals that humankind can love each other and get along is just misty faggy nothingness. Why bother to do anything at all. I might as well just realistically smear feces on my faces because it's REAL.

    You see how silly that is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettLux View Post
    I hate when IEIs get all negative and depressed about the supposed injustices and superficiality of the world. Musicians like Thom Yorke, Morrissey... kill me now. I would slap some sense to them if I ever met them. Their allegedly "brilliant" music may be so but God, is it EVER melancholy and inert! JESUS!

    I try and draw you out, you just retreat more. Do you even WANT friends? ...
    A lot of people like complaining. It's easy. Few people like doing, and taking action to solve their problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettLux View Post
    Goddamnit. You all annoy me to no end. How anyone could ever think I'm an IEI is beyond me, considering I am really getting to know how they "work" ... we clash so often.

    One thing in particular is their insularity. Maybe this is just an sp first thing, or even an introverted thing but with some IEIs... omg I could wring their necks because they're so hidden, yet they complain and whine about feeling alone and "misunderstood".

    .
    Yeah we suck. I can only handle 1 social occassion every 4 weeks, i need 3 weeks in between to recover from sharing with people and coming out of my shell. During the 3 weeks off i mope about, stare at walls and wonder why i'm misunderstood

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    You're IEI.
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    I hate when IEIs get all negative and depressed about the supposed injustices and superficiality of the world. Musicians like Thom Yorke, Morrissey... kill me now. I would slap some sense to them if I ever met them. Their allegedly "brilliant" music may be so but God, is it EVER melancholy and inert! JESUS!
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    simple solution. People aren't trustworthy. Dur.

    People aren't trustworthy = IEIs are insular. Prove yourself trustworthy and we'll open up. Haven't you heard of the Victim-Aggressor thing?

    Some people have more issues with this than others, obviously.

    Just think, if you're seeing the avoidant side, then you're already past the fake persona, at least partially. Keep going, you're like halfway there!

    And then of course, there's the fact that people have to decide to change. Ya know.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noid View Post
    Dur.


    you french ? what the meaning of this if not ?
    ...no? In the US it's like a synonym for "Duh," which roughly means, "I am surprised you were not aware of the information I just supplied." What does it mean in French?
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

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    ScarlettLux, I you!

    I am sp-first and probably Ni-sub so I've had a tendency to be insular at times. But as I've gotten older, I've learned how to at least throw some Fe out there and join the rest of the world. There's probably nothing worse than an unhealthy IEI (oh. unless it's an unhealthy SLE).
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    This sounds exactly like a LTR I had with an SEE. She would always fucking complain and I would get pissed about being invalidated and then not talk to her for a couple days and then everything would be fine again and then she would become a bitch again, on and on, and we would accuse each other of being the one at fault because we were both wanting totally opposite things. Is this about right?

    Sounds like you both demotivate one another with your expectations. This is how I understand the HA in duality is that if you were with an ILI, he would provide Te and that would produce your Fi, but instead you're getting Fe which doesn't validate and motivate you. And he's getting Fi, which doesn't validate and motivate him.

    ...I guess...whatever.

    I still have a point if you want it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    ScarlettLux, I you!

    I am sp-first and probably Ni-sub so I've had a tendency to be insular at times. But as I've gotten older, I've learned how to at least throw some Fe out there and join the rest of the world. There's probably nothing worse than an unhealthy IEI (oh. unless it's an unhealthy SLE).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat King Cole View Post
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    Go away.
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    See what I did there?
    Seriously who the fuck are you. Get the fuck out of my thread if you don't like it. Seriously. Are you that obsessed with me you have to continually reply to threads that you feel are "polluting" the forum? And no I didn't "see what you did there" ugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Shush, now. You love us, I know you do.

    Isn't your bf IEI?
    Yep and him I can stand... maybe its just the Fe subtypes but yeah he's pretty near ILI
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettLux View Post
    Yep and him I can stand... maybe its just the Fe subtypes
    IEIs are a motley crew, diverse. Some good, some bad, some pretty, some ugly. Those that bug me the most are the social engineering masters that have a way of getting into positions where they do real harm, f.i. in gov't, business and media.
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    addendum to my above post..

    "You live, you learn."

    It's funny that a popular statement like that has relatively little acknowledgement within the Socionics bubble. Sometimes it seems like you're forced to choose between being unrealistically contemplative or.. it's opposite. Whatever that is. Not only that, but you need your "duals" for some kind of balance. Give me a fucking break.

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    Scatterlux, you are harsh, defensive, rejecting, scattered, and stubborn.
    There is someone into yourself you try to find.
    I love you.
    "The final delusion is the belief that one has lost all delusion."

    -- Maurice Chapelain

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