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    Default Question for ESTps and ISTjs: have you ever lived up to the aggressive descriptions?

    I'm curious how many STs actually live up to Model A conceptions of Se "aggression". Or do you think that these definitions are exaggerated.. that maybe it should be more fun loving and that aggression could be in the abstract sense? What makes you territorial and "willful", even in the loose sense, that you would even want to identify with these types?

    I just thought it'd be interesting to bring up, because some of you kind of espouse something close to aggression, full of witty rape jokes and such, and often make little swipes at people to boost yourself at their expense around here. I don't have to be a genius to see that you're pretty hardcore and stuff. I'd just like to know more about what is it you actually do in real life? Do you really pull off any of this elsewhere and disregard or overcome the consequences of Se/Fi ignoring actions?

    Some questions to get you started:

    1)How many times have you been jailed for assault? Bonus points if you've ever put anyone in a hospital. Count yourself in an elite asshole if you threatened them again when they wanted you to pay the bills.

    2)How many people have you seduced with their boyfriends or husbands or wives or girlfriends just feet away? Bonus points if you got laid in a short timespan. Count yourself in the elite if it was on the side of the house and you can't exactly recall their name.

    3)Have you ever usurped any formal authorities, and got people to follow you instead? Bonus points if you did it by beating their ass.

    4)Have you fired a gun at anyone? Even if it was just for the lulz, and above their heads?

    Bonus question.. have you been so fucked up that everyone around you is even more fucked up and scared the shit out of you too? Have you been in the company of murderers or anyone who has literally executed someone on their knees - or hell, been executed for that matter? Have you cried to sleep because of this, and decided that you had your fill? Or are you just filling up the tank incrementally, and just not realize how much of a civil pussy you are in the big picture?

    Inquiring mind[s] want to know. Everybody's favorite SLE around here (mercutio?) was reading one of my chats earlier, and said I was "naive" about life. He didn't even know me. I'd like to know what makes that dude so hardcore. I think he has to be pretty scary in order to be less naive than I am (not that I really think I'm all that anyways. I self-type IEI, for crissakes).

    BTW, I don't expect many or any of you to actually answer. I'd prefer you not answer any of those questions in the affirmative, and be fun loving pussies. It ain't a bad thing at all.

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    Beta ST's in a nutshell from Socionics.us quadras:

    Types from the Beta Quadra are drawn to hierarchical structures that increase their personal power. They like to see convictions and beliefs materialized physically in the real world. They are often starkly blunt in their views and like "strong" humor.
    What you seem to be describing is an unhealthy manifestation of this.
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    First of all, thinking of Mercutio as scary is laughable, he is the last person you should worry about on this forum.
    As far as Beta ST's go, my mom is an SLE and she used to be quite aggressive, she was actually in jail the whole summer after I graduated from high school because she couldn't stop slapping her husband, lol. Now that she's in the second half of life she has calmed down quite a bit, it's very surprising how soft she has become. My sister is an LSI and she is not aggressive whatsoever, in fact if people are aggressive towards her she will break down in tears. I think it depends on the person really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morcheeba View Post
    I think it depends on the person really.
    How about NFs? I can answer in the affirmative to some of those questions (they're all exaggerated snippets of my life), but I still hold on to the iei self-typing. I lack, what I think, is a more productive/action oriented (in the general sense) idea of Se. If it came down to simply aggression, assertiveness, etc.., I don't think I need a dual to make up for it. And I don't think anyone is scary btw.. I'm just being sarcastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsey View Post


    I can answer some of these affirmatively, bro. Can I hang with your crew?
    lol I don't have a crew. Any semblance of that ended with the aforementioned execution. Like every good gangster story, people drop like flies. I don't want to be a gangster. I just want to be honest.. It's easy to bullshit myself into thinking I'm a good person (because it's what I'd rather be now).

    All that aside, your answer encourages me. I don't feel like a crazy INp now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stray View Post
    All that aside, your answer encourages me. I don't feel like a crazy INp now.
    Suppose I'm crazy. What then?

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    I'm not aggressive. I'm pretty easy to get along with, and I'm not scary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stray View Post
    Inquiring mind[s] want to know. Everybody's favorite SLE around here (mercutio?) was reading one of my chats earlier, and said I was "naive" about life. He didn't even know me. I'd like to know what makes that dude so hardcore.
    It is a sentiment I've heard from a SLE before. He wasn't "hardcore" (held a respectable well-paying job, no criminal activities or the like) but he would generally evaluate other people critically. IEI's analysis is often done in a more positive light, and in comparison it will probably sound unduly trusting. SLEs also appear to have a general distrust in Ni, that is in themselves, but they can project this sentiment on others and laugh at all your 'theorizing' and lack of actual experience as a form of naivety.

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    If I have a point there, I guess.. umm.. well, it's just retarded being called naive or innocent if the person doesn't know me. I made this thread to see if STs could answer in the affirmative.. to see if they've really stuck their hands in the metaphorical shit of life. Some can, some can't. I can. If you can't, you'd blow as a dual.. you'd be the real naive one. I'd kind of feel like Joan Jett in this clip.


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    Quote Originally Posted by stray View Post
    If I have a point there, I guess.. umm.. well, it's just retarded being called naive or innocent if the person doesn't know me. I made this thread to see if STs could answer in the affirmative.. to see if they've really stuck their hands in the metaphorical shit of life. Some can, some can't. I can. If you can't, you'd blow as a dual.. you'd be the real naive one. I'd kind of feel like Joan Jett in this clip.
    Fucking hardcore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsey View Post
    Fucking hardcore.
    lol.. i can't tell if this one of those moments when the ILI takes a dump on my enthusiasm.

    y'know what i'm saying, man. you've shared enough of your own life/friendships with me for me to see that you're not naive either. i can almost smell the shit smears on your hand. and i bet you'd laugh too if you got condescended upon by a SEE with some "on top of ole smokey" act. both of our types will perk up at the sight of real adventure (be it positive or negative), but we're going to get bored otherwise (or in your case, take a dump).

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    Nobody cares if somebody called you naive. Stop whining. And see that it doesnt matter shit

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    i have to admit some responsibility. it was supposed to irritate him. if he's manic though, like i said, i sympathize. i'll lay off.

    my only purpose here is just wondering what people's experiences are with Se, especially when it comes to some of the "hard motherfuckers" here. i can't tell if it's internet bullshit or they actually they go through life stomping on everyone. so i want to know what they do that makes them think they have some bold take on "reality" that others don't. if it's whining to ask people just how far they go in this, that's not my problem. everything else is fair game. i don't know why this would be untouchable.

    and contrary to korpsey's accusation that i'm trying to be "gangsta" or something, i haven't done most of this shit in over a decade. i even considered joining a monestary at one point after all of this. lol. i could tell you all kinds of ridiculous shit that makes me look "vulnerable" and "soft". i don't care. i'm not here to compensate for anything, be "gangsta", or threaten anyone's manhood. they're just questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stray View Post
    contrary to korpsey's accusation that i'm trying to be "gangsta" or something, i haven't done most of this shit in over a decade. i even considered joining a monestary at one point after all of this. lol. i could tell you all kinds of ridiculous shit that makes me look "vulnerable" and "soft". i don't care. i'm not here to compensate for anything, be "gangsta", or threaten anyone's manhood. they're just questions.
    Placing yourself at the center of these tales only produces the impression that you're attempting to portray yourself in a badass light. Those who say don't know; those who know don't say. Formulate your questions or statements in the abstract next time to avoid suspicion of trying too hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsey View Post
    Placing yourself at the center of these tales only produces the impression that you're attempting to portray yourself in a badass light. Those who say don't know; those who know don't say. Formulate your questions or statements in the abstract next time to avoid suspicion of trying too hard.
    I understand that, but I've been mostly self-effacing about the subject.. and I self-type IEI, more or less. If I wanted to portray myself in some badass light, I would have chosen another type. The only extent I care to show any of kind of badass angle is in an ironic way. I like playing the part of the top hat wearing "******" IEI who has supposedly lived through badass shit. It's make SLEs and LIEs who haven't done anything bigger blowhards than they would be. Like getting beat up by a "girl".

    If you have a problem with people portraying themselves in a badass light though, you have far better targets than me. This site is full of dudes who front in a bigger "campaign" of sorts, go far more out of their way in it, putting themselves in a badass "light" at all times (as in, it seems to be part of their general character). Whether it's Ashton and his misanthropic warmonger schtick, or an SLE like mercutio who seems to be channeling Mike Tyson or some shit. Whatever the persona, they're trying to take on some mantle of having tougher takes on life, and invade threads with their insipid presence, trying to instruct or condescend on people about it in one way or another. If I can get more facts about all of them, I might give them more credit, but as it is, they just sound like brats. And while I'm here, I'll do my small part in making it known if I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stray View Post
    my only purpose here is just wondering what people's experiences are with Se
    the people i think of as Se ego irl haven't exhibited that sort of stuff out of proportion to all the other people i've known, as far as i've noticed/know of/remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    My bf calls me naive about life ALL the time, lol. He says I haven't seen how the world really is. I tell him he takes life way too seriously.
    I've been called naive by three different SLEs. In the nicest possible ways. Also "innocent" and "pure". lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    My bf calls me naive about life ALL the time, lol. He says I haven't seen how the world really is. I tell him he takes life way too seriously.
    I've been called naive by three different SLEs. In the nicest possible ways. Also "innocent" and "pure". lol
    Not me. I've been called evil, overbearing, and a bad influence.. and sometimes when I do good, like this time I drove this a girl who tried to commit suicide to get her stomach pumped, I dropped her friend off at some girl's school.. and I was met with hisses and cross signs. That's what I get for saving someone's life.

    Wait.. I'm exagerrating again. I can be anything..good or bad. Just not naive.

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