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    Default The Activation of Identity.

    Conventional descriptions of Activity describe a relationship that "over-energises" each partner until they burn out. The essence of this seems to be a positive feedback loop.

    With other ISFps, I've found that we often wind up in very energising creative-Fe competitions. At the moment, this is manifesting for me as increasing attempts to get an ISFp I know to laugh, intensified by my own amusement at trying to get reactions out of her. In the past it's manifested as general trading of trivia and prods to get reactions out of the other, in a general Alpha Fe kind of an atmosphere.

    OTOH Activity has usually been one where I can talk for hours and come away smiling, albeit without the emotionally rejuvenating effect of duality. I think my interactions with my Identicals are far more "activating" than with my Activators.
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    I think the "over-activation" in Activity relations comes from the Base-Mobilizing interaction. One's Mobilizing function is the other's Base function. Since your Mobilizing function is an area in which you actively pursue improvement, being with your Activator can cause an over-emphasis on your Mobilizing function-- even moreso than usual-- which at first can be a lot of fun and make you feel really good about yourself and the productive interaction between you and your partner; however, if left "turned on" for too long, it can cause you to grow overwhelmed and exhausted, since the Mobilizing function is weak. As soon as you are able to "break away" from the influence of your "overbearing" Activator, you will finally feel a release from the psychological pressure of your Hidden Agenda and return to your more comfortable Base.

    Maybe the same sort of thing could happen with Identity. Since if one of you is putting more emphasis on your shared Base/Ego, the other might feel more of a necessity to focus on the HA/Super-Id.
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    I've never found myself exhausted by what I assume is Ti.

    What I find with my activators is that they naturally draw more Fe out of me, as well as more Si, but usually in the sense of being able to offer detailed analyses of things, rather than asking after their health and if the decoration is pleasant or whatever Si is stereotyped as being about. The proportions of what they draw out are different to my duals, who draw out of the Si analysis/insight and relatively less Fe.

    Basically, I can see how LIIs encourage more of an ESE persona from me, while ILEs draw out a hyper-SEI version of myself, either through Ti and Ne passivity, or through relaxing my Introtim tendency to meet people through my Creative function (Fe).
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    My understanding of Activation partners and the phenomenon of so-called over-stimulation is a little different from the ordinary theory. I don't think there's anything magical about the "activation" function just because it's called that or is in a certain place in Model A.

    However, what I think may happen with Activity Partners is this: People tend to be receptive to their dual function, which happens to be the other person's creative, so that they act on stuff coming out of the creative function. But sometimes people use the creative function to "try things out" and may not mean them to be taken as seriously as the base function. Hence, if people aren't careful, they may give too much weight to certain suggestions and go off doing things without enough consideration.

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    Imagine me and an ISTp going into a cozy room; I'm looking around for things to do and he's saying "relax", let's just hang out. I relax and hand out, then he wants to sleep for a few hours and after that he assumes a comfortable position and wants to eat cooking for another hour....that turns into lots of hours where nothing is being actually done. And furthermore, he's laying there suggesting I do some Te, which I don't naturally and so I have no choice but to join him and relax, in a comfortable position, for hours. I pick up on all this comfy, cozy, pleasure and suggest some more of it, from my suggestive function, offering some hot chocolate and find just enough energy to pull myself up and make a huge mug of it, where more time is spent just doing more pleasurable things.

    After realizing socionics, it gets to be way too much for me to handle all this Si.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    And furthermore, he's laying there suggesting I do some Te
    functions are not actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan View Post
    Hence, if people aren't careful, they may give too much weight to certain suggestions and go off doing things without enough consideration.
    Aha, that works very well. That's one of the reasons I enjoy playing WoW with Neotropic so much, he draws out my impulsive Idiot Hero side for sure.

    When I'm playing with Neo: "Let's do something completely reckless for the lulz, see if we can pull it off."

    When I was playing with an ILE: "Let's do something awesome, think you can keep up?"

    I attributed this to having more ESE-like Se drawn out, but that's a very convoluted and inelegant explanation compared to yours, cheers

    This would also seem to account for the creative function arms race I alluded to in my first post, as well. Creative functions are really resistant to being told what to do, but also want to engage other people (being your cognitive output channel). Identity partners thus wind up in a push-pull dynamic where one makes an attempt to engage the other with their Creative, but is knocked back; this then leads to a redoubled effort, which in turn gets knocked back, etc. Newton's third law in all its glory.

    What's interesting is that this raises how sensitive Socionics's functions are to social influences. When Identicals wind up in a teacher-student relationship, the Creative competition is suppressed in favour of natural resonance through the Base function.

    I'd love to hear your further thoughts on all this, Jonathan.
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