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    I get IEE, IEI, and EII as impressions I guess...he reminds me from those of Tim Booth from the band James, who I had thought might be IEE, but not in any definitive way.

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    interesting. yeah, someone brought up iee somewhere else and I thought that was interesting... i don't know why but these three particular types can be really confusing for me. ieis and eii because...well, they seem very similar and iee because they are supposed to be the most "introverted" extroverts...anyways, i'm fairly certain he's introverted...it doesn't quite come across in these clips but in others when he's in a group i think it's sort of obvious...

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    Here's an interview with IEI Kurt Cobain for a comparison - notice the extremely similar mannerisms

    Also, what he says (excerpt from the beginning of the first interview):

    John Frusciante - "um... well, I think... y, you know... I think the... that, um... the force that created us is expressing itself through our existence - I don't believe that a musical idea starts in your brain, I believe that it starts at a place before that that we don't have any direct contact with, and um... and, and I believe that everything that we do, everything, everything that we create is, is nature expressing itself the same way that a, that a flower grows out of the ground, or a tree grows out of the ground, it's nature expressing itself, and you... you might say that the tree is expressing itself by the way its branches move out, but it's the force of, it's the force that drives nature that's uh... that's, that... that we don't... the tree is... the tree is the visible, uh... the visible appear... the visible thing that appears to our five, to our senses, but um... but I don't believe it's why all the source of everything is perpetuated all the time..."

    If that's not /, then I don't know what the hell is!

    F>T is pretty obvious too, as is Introtim>Extratim...

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    woofwoofl, you're fucking awesome. yeah...i knew there had to be some reason why he was my favorite artist in ever... i'm fairly certain he's IEI aswell...but, honestly, on one of my last posts you figured out MY type very quickly...how exactly did you do that? it sort of freaked me out... and left me like:

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    p.s. kurt is also one of my favorite artists in ever! nevermind was the sh*t! ...okay...i'll stop now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sar View Post
    woofwoofl, you're fucking awesome. yeah...i knew there had to be some reason why he was my favorite artist in ever... i'm fairly certain he's IEI aswell...but, honestly, on one of my last posts you figured out MY type very quickly...how exactly did you do that? it sort of freaked me out... and left me like:
    Thanks!

    As for your posts, the "what if socionics was b.s.? thread you made had a first post that was absolutely overflowing with and Beta NF vibes!

    I also got a vague impression of the Vortical-Synergistic cognitive style at work - Positivist seemed likely in that you were going forward with an idea boldly instead of doing the "two sides to every story", or the "commitment to uncertainty" kinda thing the Negativists do (I wish I had a better way of explaining this, but I don't ), and your way of thinking is more holistic, and less blatantly linear, than that which is found in us Causal-Deterministic people...

    Also, your posts just flat-out looked like, and gave me the same vibe that the IEI posts around here give me - IEIs have a certain provocativeness to them that I can spot

    Also, this:

    Quote Originally Posted by sar View Post
    i think your getting lost in the particulars and aren't seeing the big picture...he's obviously introverted...don't know what else to say on that...also, lol how sure are you of your own type? i'm just wondering
    The bolded part points you towards a Result type as well

    Also, type interactions - I know when I find a Semi-dual, we get along very well BulletsAndDoves, another IEI, pointed this out quite a bit, and I noticed it too...

    Also with John Frusciante, I noticed a similarity in the vocal delivery with IEIs, in that it's very emotionally expressive in a certain way (often at the expense of hitting the "correct" notes, which I don't mind at all ) - here's some comparisons:

    John Frusciante - Smile From The Streets You Hold
    Nirvana - Negative Creep (vocal track only)
    Smashing Pumpkins - Bodies (Billy Corgan is Beta NF and probably IEI)
    The Cure - Just Like Heaven (Robert Smith is another almost, if not completely, definite IEI)

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    Ne type IMO, I guess ILE > IEE > XII.
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    Just from pictures I would say Beta irrational, INFp > ESTp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woofwoofl View Post
    John Frusciante - "um... well, I think... y, you know... I think the... that, um... the force that created us is expressing itself through our existence - I don't believe that a musical idea starts in your brain, I believe that it starts at a place before that that we don't have any direct contact with, and um... and, and I believe that everything that we do, everything, everything that we create is, is nature expressing itself the same way that a, that a flower grows out of the ground, or a tree grows out of the ground, it's nature expressing itself, and you... you might say that the tree is expressing itself by the way its branches move out, but it's the force of, it's the force that drives nature that's uh... that's, that... that we don't... the tree is... the tree is the visible, uh... the visible appear... the visible thing that appears to our five, to our senses, but um... but I don't believe it's why all the source of everything is perpetuated all the time..."

    If that's not /, then I don't know what the hell is!
    Certainly not Se, but Ni if anything like that. I relate to that, btw - and he sounds like Ne, has no cursivity in ideas, these Ni artists I hear tell these things like a poetry or something, it's consistent and polished, not like you've just seen an alien world you can't explain . Ne Irrationals talk like that, I mean *real* Ne Irrationals.

    Edit: I'm talking about the 2nd interview.
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    thanks everyone for responding...i think my hunch is right about mr. frusciante but the different perspective are always interesting. woofwoofl, VERY interesting stuff as to how you figured all that out...btw I've met a semi-dual...she's one of my best friends and she is absolutely the shit! can't get mad at her...it's basically impossible...only thing that sucks is that i think she has anxiety problems...I wonder if that's common among ESFps...hmm...anyways...again, thanks everyone!

    p.s. smile from the streets you hold is one of my favorite songs from him! and i f*cking love robert smith!

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    After watching both of those videos as well I'm gonna restate IEE. Definitely intuitive, seems irrational as well. He seems to be comfortably being expressive and emotional, but he describes things in a relatively straightforward way without dramatization, so definitely Fi > Fe. He also does this thing that i've noticed myself and other Fi creatives do where he just HAS to get all is facts straight. Weak, but valued Te. He HAS to remember Pythagorus, he HAS to get that year right in the other interview in the other thread, even though it doesn't matter. When describing a scenario or asked a question he gives a lot of unnecessary background information (another Te mobilizing/Ti PoLR trait). Ne/Si is pretty obvious, he describes his view about music by making connections and creating a big picture, about the inherent potential of music in nature (is there anything more Ne/Si than that?). In the other interview he can't seem to get comfortable at first, but then once he gets on a roll talking he completely ignores the way he is sitting (weak Si, probably valued, gets ignored in favor of Ne).

    While I get some Fi/Te (esp Te HA) I get more Ne than anything, and it seems to be an area where he speaks with a lot of confidence. And the interview follows a reductionist approach instead of expansionist (-Ne instead of +Ne). He seems too scattered to be rational (even though he's probably on drugs...). His philosophy itself is irrational, at the end he talks about how he had to just everything go and let creative inspiration come to him.

    So yeah. IEE.
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    I just...don't see extroversion...or for that matter...Or rather, I see much more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by stanprollyright View Post
    After watching both of those videos as well I'm gonna restate IEE. Definitely intuitive, seems irrational as well. He seems to be comfortably being expressive and emotional, but he describes things in a relatively straightforward way without dramatization, so definitely Fi > Fe. He also does this thing that i've noticed myself and other Fi creatives do where he just HAS to get all is facts straight. Weak, but valued Te. He HAS to remember Pythagorus, he HAS to get that year right in the other interview in the other thread, even though it doesn't matter. When describing a scenario or asked a question he gives a lot of unnecessary background information (another Te mobilizing/Ti PoLR trait). Ne/Si is pretty obvious, he describes his view about music by making connections and creating a big picture, about the inherent potential of music in nature (is there anything more Ne/Si than that?). In the other interview he can't seem to get comfortable at first, but then once he gets on a roll talking he completely ignores the way he is sitting (weak Si, probably valued, gets ignored in favor of Ne).

    While I get some Fi/Te (esp Te HA) I get more Ne than anything, and it seems to be an area where he speaks with a lot of confidence. And the interview follows a reductionist approach instead of expansionist (-Ne instead of +Ne). He seems too scattered to be rational (even though he's probably on drugs...). His philosophy itself is irrational, at the end he talks about how he had to just everything go and let creative inspiration come to him.

    So yeah. IEE.
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    "Fe types need to be dramatic, blah blah wahh wahh"

    You're probabvly a Beta, anyways.
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    what do you think, gilly? also, here is another interview where i think you can sort of spot the introversion more clearly...also, i have a hunch that the lead singer of the band (the one who talks most in this interview) is an ENFp...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    You wiiiiisssh
    Doesn't mean it's not true

    Quote Originally Posted by sar View Post
    I just...don't see extroversion...or for that matter...Or rather, I see much more...
    Sorry I didn't give you the answer you wanted to hear...

    As I said in the other thread, extroversion/introversion isn't really a dichotomy. And as for Ne vs. Ni: Explain.
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    He gives me a similar vibe to Johnny Depp. IEI-Ni ?

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