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    Lysa Arryn - Zhukov? - Dostoevsky? - Hamlet?? - Balzac? - Gabin? - London?












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    George R. R. Martin - INTJ - Robespierre


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    Wun Wun - Hugo






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    Septa Unella - Zhukov


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    Daniel Brett Weiss - television producer, writer, and director - Dostoyevsky


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    David Benioff - screenwriter and television producer, writer, and director - Dostoyevsky ?


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    Sansa- ExI, Ayra- SxE, Red Woman- EIE, those one's I'd say I feel pretty confident in. Dany, I think IEI honestly, Margaery, I don't know but she's my favorite

    KHCS typings are fun, some are definitely typings of the actors/VI as opposed to characters lol

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    I’m going off the ASOIAF book series. It’s been a while since I read it so my memory is a bit tangential. Good series though. My favorite character is Theon Greyjoy because misery porn.

    Eddard Stark ESI
    Jon Snow ESI
    Sansa Stark IEI-Fe
    Arya Stark SEE
    Catelyn Stark Alpha SF
    Robb Stark xSI

    Tywin Lannister LIE-Te
    Jaime Lannister SLE
    Cersei Lannister xIE
    Tyrion Lannister ILE
    Varys IEI-Ni
    Littlefinger LIE-Ni
    Sandor Clegane SLE-Ti

    Rhaegar Targaryeon EII
    Darnerys Targaryeon EIE

    Robert Baratheon SEE
    Renly Baratheon IEE-Fi
    Tommen Baratheon SEI
    Stannis Baratheon LSI-Se
    Melisandre EIE-Ni
    Sir Davos SLI

    Samwell Tarly LII

    Willas Tyrell IEI
    Loras Tyrell IEI-Fe
    Margaery Tyrell EIE
    Olenna Tyrell ILE-Ti




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    I’m going by Quadras

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    1. Tyrion ILE-N: Is aware and purposefully avoidant of Se power hierarchy and rejects his Beta family’s bid for total dominance. He doesn’t go against them either as they’re still his family and although he knows they wouldn’t kill him because he’s blood related, he minimally plays along but throws a lot of sarcasm at Cersei and Tywin. He is Fi PoLR because he treats his family like strangers and is really kind and caring towards strangers. Bad with ethics but tries do right in the end when it counts like save Sansa, save his young niece by having her sent away, etc. And yes, he does supervise his LSI father which is why Tywin hates Tyrion so much.

    2. Sansa SEI-H: She’s totally unaware of her surroundings because she’s on constant super Si mode seeking out her romantic fantasy. She’s not totally unaware of the power hierarchy and doesn’t even care what’s going on in the present because all she knows is that she’s from a royal house and should marry well and have a good husband, wear nice clothes, eat good food, etc. She’s unwittingly supervisor to Cersei and Cersei wants to have Sansa under control. She’s dual with Tyrion and was repulsed by him at first but came to realized he’s got some good intentions as he saved her.

    3. Ned LII-N: Supervised by Robert, sucks at Se, and totally unaware of the power protocols. He does have developed Role Fi but he is still reluctant to it. Every time he had to use Fi it made him sweat like crazy because he had to preserve one relationship that’ll strain/destroy another. Towards the end of his life, he’s forced into constantly using Fi which is a major stressor for him. When he was young and he was asked by his dying sister to her he’d take care of her son and passed Jon off as his own son which preserved his duty and honor by his sister and nephew, but it ended up straining his relationship with Catlyn. That strained his marriage as he was only married to Catlyn for a year before he went off to war and once he came back with Jon, from then on, their marriage was happy for the most part but Catlyn constantly felt resentful of the “cheating” and Ned felt guilty towards Jon and Catlyn for not being able to tell the truth.

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    Wonder what is George R. R. Martin's type?

    Ned is LII is new, but I will think about it. Could be SEI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eli View Post
    I’m going off the ASOIAF book series. It’s been a while since I read it so my memory is a bit tangential. Good series though. My favorite character is Theon Greyjoy because misery porn.

    Eddard Stark ESI
    Jon Snow ESI
    Sansa Stark IEI-Fe
    Arya Stark SEE
    Catelyn Stark Alpha SF
    Robb Stark xSI

    Tywin Lannister LIE-Te
    Jaime Lannister SLE
    Cersei Lannister xIE
    Tyrion Lannister ILE
    Varys IEI-Ni
    Littlefinger LIE-Ni
    Sandor Clegane SLE-Ti

    Rhaegar Targaryeon EII
    Darnerys Targaryeon EIE

    Robert Baratheon SEE
    Renly Baratheon IEE-Fi
    Tommen Baratheon SEI
    Stannis Baratheon LSI-Se
    Melisandre EIE-Ni
    Sir Davos SLI

    Samwell Tarly LII

    Willas Tyrell IEI
    Loras Tyrell IEI-Fe
    Margaery Tyrell EIE
    Olenna Tyrell ILE-Ti
    Sansa is no fucking way an IEI. Tywin look like an Beta more (LSI?), he's the one who make his family stable, not taking risk. Varys EIE (not Te polr)
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    I think Tywin is LIE-Te, but he is played by an ESI. Charles Dance said that of all his roles, Tywin is closest to the person that he actually is.

    I've watched a few scenes with Tywin in them, and he's careful, thoughtful, commanding, and strategic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I think Tywin is LIE-Te, but he is played by an ESI. Charles Dance said that of all his roles, Tywin is closest to the person that he actually is.

    I've watched a few scenes with Tywin in them, and he's careful, thoughtful, commanding, and strategic.
    I'm not sure, but Tywin seem care about "family's glory" more than anything else, and doesn't give a shit about his children's personal problem and goal.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESd5PphIJPU

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moharu View Post
    I'm not sure, but Tywin seem care about "family's glory" more than anything else, and doesn't give a shit about his children's personal problem and goal.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESd5PphIJPU
    Yeah. Well, I think my son would say the same thing about me.

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    What I liked about this book series the most was that it shows the power of Ni in a setting like politics. The most successful players aren't bright, flashy, and dominant (Robert Baratheon). No. The true profiteers know how to bide their time well, slowly planting seeds of destruction or mistrust in a subtle fashion, avoiding attention while latching on to more powerful friends. That is, until the time is ripe to strike. The best "Game" players have to utilize chaos very well in a turbulent war faring kingdom, and you have to possess some flexibility ethically or you'll end up in the coffin (Ned Stark). In fact, powerful Se doms who possess physical strength or charisma are more often than not nothing but chess pieces for the characters with more foresight.




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    Was rewatching the first season, having followed the series up until the last season which I never watched when it came out.
    After five episodes, some typings and a few others from later seasons from memory. Of the characters, actor types are sometimes close but not always:

    Ned Stark - LSE (actor is LSI, confuses VI a bit). Clearly rational ST. Ni polr, Se/Fe devaluing and Fi valuing all fit. Daft as a character, but Sean Bean is always likeable.
    Catelyn Stark - ESI. Especially clear from the book character, tough family defender at all costs even after death (Gamma SF revenge theme).
    Robb Stark - LSE. Image of his dad but even more daft when it comes to Ni and Fe.
    Sansa Stark - SEI. Dutiful SF but she just doesn't value the Fi at all. She comes off as really naive and dumb in the beginning but shows the strong side of SEI later on.
    Arya Stark - SEE. This should be obvious, sensor with desire for freedom above all. Not at all averse to violence as a solution. Gamma SF revenge theme just like her mother.
    Bran Stark - ILI. Ni dom stereotype.
    Jon Snow - ESI. He's the epitome of a male ESI hero. Bleeding heart combined with physical skill and courage. Wearer of the Fi dom 'wounded look' and who 'knows nothing'.
    Theon Greyjoy - EIE. He just never fit in at the delta/gamma Starks. Se HA overdrive. Poor guy, deserved better but just too much of a tryhard for his own good.
    Osha (wildling woman captured by Starks) - SLI. Doesn't give a shit about Se. The first interaction between her and Theon was hilarious.

    Robert Baratheon - SEE. The 4D Se and 4D Fe are super obvious. ESE is ruled out by him valuing Se and freedom of action above all. His relationship with Ned is typical creative Fi.
    Stannis Baratheon - LSI. The LSI stereotype. Seeks power, woefully lacking in Fe, very receptive to Ni.
    Davos Seaworth - SEI. I remember caregiver being pretty obvious, his family orientedness points to SEI > SLI.
    Melisandre (Red Woman) - EIE. The cult leader archetype of EIE, obvious strong connection to Stannis.

    Tywin Lannister - LIE. The first time he is shown already establishes his type. He admonishes his son (beneficiary Jaime) for acting impulsively and foolishly and talks about his grand vision for his bloodline.
    Cersei Lannister - EIE. The mistress of intrigue, love of power and dramatics. Her words to Ned, "If you play the game of thrones, you win or you die" is a great contrast.
    Jaime Lannister - SLE. Impulsive and brash, weak in ethics. Like the Hound, his character grows after bitter defeats and losses. His father doesn't understand why he just wants to be loved (Fe HA) although he denies this.
    Tyrion Lannister - ILE. Always finds a way out of trouble through cleverness. Fe HA loves trolling and joking. Seemingly "immoral" like his brother Jaime or the Hound, but follows his own moral code.
    Bronn (Tyrion's bodyguard) - SLI. The ultimate self-serving survivor. Knows when to seize an opportunity and extremely skilled at avoiding trouble to himself, doesn't mind fighting dirty if it saves his skin.
    Sandor Clegane (The Hound) - SLE. Revels in seeming "immorality" but secretly possesses a personal moral code like the other Fi polrs. Doesn't give a shit about protocols, sees violence as an obvious solution to any problem.

    Daenerys Targaryen - EIE. Driven by lust of power even if with a moralizing bent that gives a delta NF vibe. Rationality is evident and she doesn't really have a problem with using or killing people if it serves her vision.
    Jorah Mormont - LSE. Eternally friendzoned, poor guy. His baby Fi burns for his 'Khaleesi'. He is in many ways like Ned Stark who wanted him dead. Acts in a caregiver way towards Daenerys who unfortunately isn't actually his dual.

    Littlefinger - LIE. One of the extroverted NT for sure. His lust for Catelyn (ESI) and complex long games seem to fit LIE better. Also him owning a whorehouse but not indulging in it smells more like Si polr complexes in sexuality.
    Lord Varys (the Spider) - IEI. The fully realized IEI archetype. Apparently so innocent and harmless but actually very manipulative and also playing long games, but not for his own power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    Was rewatching the first season, having followed the series up until the last season which I never watched when it came out.
    After five episodes, some typings and a few others from later seasons from memory. Of the characters, actor types are sometimes close but not always:

    Ned Stark - LSE (actor is LSI, confuses VI a bit). Clearly rational ST. Ni polr, Se/Fe devaluing and Fi valuing all fit. Daft as a character, but Sean Bean is always likeable.
    Catelyn Stark - ESI. Especially clear from the book character, tough family defender at all costs even after death (Gamma SF revenge theme).
    Robb Stark - LSE. Image of his dad but even more daft when it comes to Ni and Fe.
    Sansa Stark - SEI. Dutiful SF but she just doesn't value the Fi at all. She comes off as really naive and dumb in the beginning but shows the strong side of SEI later on.
    Arya Stark - SEE. This should be obvious, sensor with desire for freedom above all. Not at all averse to violence as a solution. Gamma SF revenge theme just like her mother.
    Bran Stark - ILI. Ni dom stereotype.
    Jon Snow - ESI. He's the epitome of a male ESI hero. Bleeding heart combined with physical skill and courage. Wearer of the Fi dom 'wounded look' and who 'knows nothing'.
    Theon Greyjoy - EIE. He just never fit in at the delta/gamma Starks. Se HA overdrive. Poor guy, deserved better but just too much of a tryhard for his own good.
    Osha (wildling woman captured by Starks) - SLI. Doesn't give a shit about Se. The first interaction between her and Theon was hilarious.

    Robert Baratheon - SEE. The 4D Se and 4D Fe are super obvious. ESE is ruled out by him valuing Se and freedom of action above all. His relationship with Ned is typical creative Fi.
    Stannis Baratheon - LSI. The LSI stereotype. Seeks power, woefully lacking in Fe, very receptive to Ni.
    Davos Seaworth - SEI. I remember caregiver being pretty obvious, his family orientedness points to SEI > SLI.
    Melisandre (Red Woman) - EIE. The cult leader archetype of EIE, obvious strong connection to Stannis.

    Tywin Lannister - LIE. The first time he is shown already establishes his type. He admonishes his son (beneficiary Jaime) for acting impulsively and foolishly and talks about his grand vision for his bloodline.
    Cersei Lannister - EIE. The mistress of intrigue, love of power and dramatics. Her words to Ned, "If you play the game of thrones, you win or you die" is a great contrast.
    Jaime Lannister - SLE. Impulsive and brash, weak in ethics. Like the Hound, his character grows after bitter defeats and losses. His father doesn't understand why he just wants to be loved (Fe HA) although he denies this.
    Tyrion Lannister - ILE. Always finds a way out of trouble through cleverness. Fe HA loves trolling and joking. Seemingly "immoral" like his brother Jaime or the Hound, but follows his own moral code.
    Bronn (Tyrion's bodyguard) - SLI. The ultimate self-serving survivor. Knows when to seize an opportunity and extremely skilled at avoiding trouble to himself, doesn't mind fighting dirty if it saves his skin.
    Sandor Clegane (The Hound) - SLE. Revels in seeming "immorality" but secretly possesses a personal moral code like the other Fi polrs. Doesn't give a shit about protocols, sees violence as an obvious solution to any problem.

    Daenerys Targaryen - EIE. Driven by lust of power even if with a moralizing bent that gives a delta NF vibe. Rationality is evident and she doesn't really have a problem with using or killing people if it serves her vision.
    Jorah Mormont - LSE. Eternally friendzoned, poor guy. His baby Fi burns for his 'Khaleesi'. He is in many ways like Ned Stark who wanted him dead. Acts in a caregiver way towards Daenerys who unfortunately isn't actually his dual.

    Littlefinger - LIE. One of the extroverted NT for sure. His lust for Catelyn (ESI) and complex long games seem to fit LIE better. Also him owning a whorehouse but not indulging in it smells more like Si polr complexes in sexuality.
    Lord Varys (the Spider) - IEI. The fully realized IEI archetype. Apparently so innocent and harmless but actually very manipulative and also playing long games, but not for his own power.

    I think Ned Stark is SLI but besides that I agree with the rest of this list.

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    Yes Ned doesn't look like he has 4d Se or Te. And he is soft. Mirage relationship with Robert seem reasonable.

    Honestly if Ned is LSE I think he wouldn't die like that. LSEs may have weak Ni but they are better at taking control of the situation, and they are more ruthless, won't let their enemies have any changes when they already have the upper hand.

    Bronn (Tyrion's bodyguard) : too funny? for Fe polr, I mean the way he express himself.

    Most Se lead (including SEE) grow after bitter defeats and losses - 1D value Ni.
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    Take a look at that Bronn guy and I think he could be SEE-Se ( or SLE).

    Also fighting dirty fit SEE the best. Since SEEs with their Ti polr don't have an internal logical structure, so they usually don't want to follow any code/have a sense of honor, and will seize any opportunities in the given situation to get the shit done (Te HA)

    RPG Thief = SEE
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