Lysa Arryn - Zhukov? - Dostoevsky? - Hamlet?? - Balzac? - Gabin? - London?
George R. R. Martin - INTJ - Robespierre
Daniel Brett Weiss - television producer, writer, and director - Dostoyevsky
David Benioff - screenwriter and television producer, writer, and director - Dostoyevsky ?
Sansa- ExI, Ayra- SxE, Red Woman- EIE, those one's I'd say I feel pretty confident in. Dany, I think IEI honestly, Margaery, I don't know but she's my favorite
KHCS typings are fun, some are definitely typings of the actors/VI as opposed to characters lol
I’m going off the ASOIAF book series. It’s been a while since I read it so my memory is a bit tangential. Good series though. My favorite character is Theon Greyjoy because misery porn.
Eddard Stark ESI
Jon Snow ESI
Sansa Stark IEI-Fe
Arya Stark SEE
Catelyn Stark Alpha SF
Robb Stark xSI
Tywin Lannister LIE-Te
Jaime Lannister SLE
Cersei Lannister xIE
Tyrion Lannister ILE
Sandor Clegane SLE-Ti
Rhaegar Targaryeon EII
Darnerys Targaryeon EIE
Robert Baratheon SEE
Renly Baratheon IEE-Fi
Tommen Baratheon SEI
Stannis Baratheon LSI-Se
Sir Davos SLI
Samwell Tarly LII
Willas Tyrell IEI
Loras Tyrell IEI-Fe
Margaery Tyrell EIE
Olenna Tyrell ILE-Ti
I’m going by Quadras
1. Tyrion ILE-N: Is aware and purposefully avoidant of Se power hierarchy and rejects his Beta family’s bid for total dominance. He doesn’t go against them either as they’re still his family and although he knows they wouldn’t kill him because he’s blood related, he minimally plays along but throws a lot of sarcasm at Cersei and Tywin. He is Fi PoLR because he treats his family like strangers and is really kind and caring towards strangers. Bad with ethics but tries do right in the end when it counts like save Sansa, save his young niece by having her sent away, etc. And yes, he does supervise his LSI father which is why Tywin hates Tyrion so much.
2. Sansa SEI-H: She’s totally unaware of her surroundings because she’s on constant super Si mode seeking out her romantic fantasy. She’s not totally unaware of the power hierarchy and doesn’t even care what’s going on in the present because all she knows is that she’s from a royal house and should marry well and have a good husband, wear nice clothes, eat good food, etc. She’s unwittingly supervisor to Cersei and Cersei wants to have Sansa under control. She’s dual with Tyrion and was repulsed by him at first but came to realized he’s got some good intentions as he saved her.
3. Ned LII-N: Supervised by Robert, sucks at Se, and totally unaware of the power protocols. He does have developed Role Fi but he is still reluctant to it. Every time he had to use Fi it made him sweat like crazy because he had to preserve one relationship that’ll strain/destroy another. Towards the end of his life, he’s forced into constantly using Fi which is a major stressor for him. When he was young and he was asked by his dying sister to her he’d take care of her son and passed Jon off as his own son which preserved his duty and honor by his sister and nephew, but it ended up straining his relationship with Catlyn. That strained his marriage as he was only married to Catlyn for a year before he went off to war and once he came back with Jon, from then on, their marriage was happy for the most part but Catlyn constantly felt resentful of the “cheating” and Ned felt guilty towards Jon and Catlyn for not being able to tell the truth.
Wonder what is George R. R. Martin's type?
Ned is LII is new, but I will think about it. Could be SEI?
I think Tywin is LIE-Te, but he is played by an ESI. Charles Dance said that of all his roles, Tywin is closest to the person that he actually is.
I've watched a few scenes with Tywin in them, and he's careful, thoughtful, commanding, and strategic.
What I liked about this book series the most was that it shows the power of Ni in a setting like politics. The most successful players aren't bright, flashy, and dominant (Robert Baratheon). No. The true profiteers know how to bide their time well, slowly planting seeds of destruction or mistrust in a subtle fashion, avoiding attention while latching on to more powerful friends. That is, until the time is ripe to strike. The best "Game" players have to utilize chaos very well in a turbulent war faring kingdom, and you have to possess some flexibility ethically or you'll end up in the coffin (Ned Stark). In fact, powerful Se doms who possess physical strength or charisma are more often than not nothing but chess pieces for the characters with more foresight.
Was rewatching the first season, having followed the series up until the last season which I never watched when it came out.
After five episodes, some typings and a few others from later seasons from memory. Of the characters, actor types are sometimes close but not always:
Ned Stark - LSE (actor is LSI, confuses VI a bit). Clearly rational ST. Ni polr, Se/Fe devaluing and Fi valuing all fit. Daft as a character, but Sean Bean is always likeable.
Catelyn Stark - ESI. Especially clear from the book character, tough family defender at all costs even after death (Gamma SF revenge theme).
Robb Stark - LSE. Image of his dad but even more daft when it comes to Ni and Fe.
Sansa Stark - SEI. Dutiful SF but she just doesn't value the Fi at all. She comes off as really naive and dumb in the beginning but shows the strong side of SEI later on.
Arya Stark - SEE. This should be obvious, sensor with desire for freedom above all. Not at all averse to violence as a solution. Gamma SF revenge theme just like her mother.
Bran Stark - ILI. Ni dom stereotype.
Jon Snow - ESI. He's the epitome of a male ESI hero. Bleeding heart combined with physical skill and courage. Wearer of the Fi dom 'wounded look' and who 'knows nothing'.
Theon Greyjoy - EIE. He just never fit in at the delta/gamma Starks. Se HA overdrive. Poor guy, deserved better but just too much of a tryhard for his own good.
Osha (wildling woman captured by Starks) - SLI. Doesn't give a shit about Se. The first interaction between her and Theon was hilarious.
Robert Baratheon - SEE. The 4D Se and 4D Fe are super obvious. ESE is ruled out by him valuing Se and freedom of action above all. His relationship with Ned is typical creative Fi.
Stannis Baratheon - LSI. The LSI stereotype. Seeks power, woefully lacking in Fe, very receptive to Ni.
Davos Seaworth - SEI. I remember caregiver being pretty obvious, his family orientedness points to SEI > SLI.
Melisandre (Red Woman) - EIE. The cult leader archetype of EIE, obvious strong connection to Stannis.
Tywin Lannister - LIE. The first time he is shown already establishes his type. He admonishes his son (beneficiary Jaime) for acting impulsively and foolishly and talks about his grand vision for his bloodline.
Cersei Lannister - EIE. The mistress of intrigue, love of power and dramatics. Her words to Ned, "If you play the game of thrones, you win or you die" is a great contrast.
Jaime Lannister - SLE. Impulsive and brash, weak in ethics. Like the Hound, his character grows after bitter defeats and losses. His father doesn't understand why he just wants to be loved (Fe HA) although he denies this.
Tyrion Lannister - ILE. Always finds a way out of trouble through cleverness. Fe HA loves trolling and joking. Seemingly "immoral" like his brother Jaime or the Hound, but follows his own moral code.
Bronn (Tyrion's bodyguard) - SLI. The ultimate self-serving survivor. Knows when to seize an opportunity and extremely skilled at avoiding trouble to himself, doesn't mind fighting dirty if it saves his skin.
Sandor Clegane (The Hound) - SLE. Revels in seeming "immorality" but secretly possesses a personal moral code like the other Fi polrs. Doesn't give a shit about protocols, sees violence as an obvious solution to any problem.
Daenerys Targaryen - EIE. Driven by lust of power even if with a moralizing bent that gives a delta NF vibe. Rationality is evident and she doesn't really have a problem with using or killing people if it serves her vision.
Jorah Mormont - LSE. Eternally friendzoned, poor guy. His baby Fi burns for his 'Khaleesi'. He is in many ways like Ned Stark who wanted him dead. Acts in a caregiver way towards Daenerys who unfortunately isn't actually his dual.
Littlefinger - LIE. One of the extroverted NT for sure. His lust for Catelyn (ESI) and complex long games seem to fit LIE better. Also him owning a whorehouse but not indulging in it smells more like Si polr complexes in sexuality.
Lord Varys (the Spider) - IEI. The fully realized IEI archetype. Apparently so innocent and harmless but actually very manipulative and also playing long games, but not for his own power.
Yes Ned doesn't look like he has 4d Se or Te. And he is soft. Mirage relationship with Robert seem reasonable.
Honestly if Ned is LSE I think he wouldn't die like that. LSEs may have weak Ni but they are better at taking control of the situation, and they are more ruthless, won't let their enemies have any changes when they already have the upper hand.
Bronn (Tyrion's bodyguard) : too funny? for Fe polr, I mean the way he express himself.
Most Se lead (including SEE) grow after bitter defeats and losses - 1D value Ni.
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Take a look at that Bronn guy and I think he could be SEE-Se ( or SLE).
Also fighting dirty fit SEE the best. Since SEEs with their Ti polr don't have an internal logical structure, so they usually don't want to follow any code/have a sense of honor, and will seize any opportunities in the given situation to get the shit done (Te HA)
RPG Thief = SEE
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My colleague loaned me his first book from the series. I told him I have not been able to relax with fiction (the last one was Set In Stone by Robert Goddard, a mystery-thriller. I had to put it down because while I was attracted to the scenery I disliked that at every turn you would meet a foreboding character and your suspicions of their ill-will always turned out to be correct)
I have not seen the Game of Thrones TV series yet so I am looking forward to picturing the characters and their regions based on their book descriptions
George R.R. Martin's writing draws me in already
When I finish this book I will return with typings and compare them to Northstar's detailed list.…and resting on top, nestled in the soft cloth, three huge eggs. Dany gasped. They were the most beautiful things she had ever seen, each different than the others, patterned in such rich colors that at first she thought they were crusted with jewels, and so large it took both of her hands to hold one. She lifted it delicately, expecting that it would be made of some fine porcelain or delicate enamel, or even blown glass, but it was much heavier than that, as if it were all of solid stone. The surface of the shell was covered with tiny scales, and as she turned the egg between her fingers, they shimmered like polished metal in the light of the setting sun. One egg was a deep green, with burnished bronze flecks that came and went depending on how Dany turned it. Another was pale cream streaked with gold. The last was black, as black as a midnight sea, yet alive with scarlet ripples and swirls.
The show takes place in a Medieval setting though, when it was much better to be Beta or Gamma type. Yeah in today's current world a person like Ned would probably become a courtroom judge with lots of real power or be one of Oprah's top advisors or something lol. But in Medieval times- he was way too naive of just how cold and cunt-ish people could be, without the sort of systems in places that we have now to hold people accountible.Honestly if Ned is LSE I think he wouldn't die like that. LSEs may have weak Ni but they are better at taking control of the situation, and they are more ruthless, won't let their enemies have any changes when they already have the upper hand.
And ime Ni PolRs do have bad judge of character like that. They either give benefit of the doubt to the wrong people they shouldn't - or the reverse, they are too harsh with people who aren't as bad as they think. Ni PoLR cannot see through people's complexities very well at all.
I dug this thread up to see if people typed Daenerys EIE since I was saying her and Milisandre are basically me as women in that show. My SO said she related a lot Drogo when she read the first book which I thought was pretty funny.
“You are the music while the music lasts.”
― T.S. Eliot
Tywin strikes me as LSI. Yes, he has a vision for the Lannister family, but that could be true of any Decisive type. What Tywin is most known for, is pushing his own agenda, without fail. He does not compromise, he delivers scathing rebukes to anyone and everyone. He respects intelligence to a high degree, insulting the foolish, and admiring Arya's wit for her age. He hated his ILE son with a passion, to the end, and overall messed up his kids by trying to exert so much Se creative control over their lives. Just look at Jamie and Cersei, they are within his Quadra, and yet both feel the need to rebel against his suffocating control. Olenna, who I love, strikes me as an old and wise SLE. Her and Tywin are very much of the same or similar minds. "It is a rare thing that a man lives up to his reputation." (Paraphrasing the line)
Webster, G.D. and Campbell, J.T., 2021. Personality Perception in Game of Thrones: Character Consensus and Personality Projection. (direct link to pdf file)
A table I made from the data.Abstract
This study examined Big Five and Dark Tetrad personality perception for 56 characters
from the popular TV show Game of Thrones—and the book series that inspired it, A
Song of Ice and Fire—by 309 fans recruited from three relevant subreddits. Specifically,
we examined consensus—the extent to which multiple perceivers (participants) rate one
or more targets (characters) similarly—and projection (a.k.a. assumed similarity)—the
extent to which perceivers (participants) see targets (characters) as they see themselves.
Using cross-classified structural equation models (CC-SEMs), we found that consensus
correlations were significant for all Big Five and Dark Tetrad traits, ranging from .54 for
narcissism to .83 for agreeableness (M = .66, SD = .10). Projection slopes were positive
(range: 0.07 to 0.29; M = 0.15, SD = 0.06) and significant for all traits except
conscientiousness and open-mindedness. Thus, raters reliably assumed that characters
were similar to themselves on 7 of 9 traits. Exploratory sex-differences analyses showed
no sex-of-character effects, but significant sex-of-perceiver effects for conscientiousness,
open-mindedness, and Machiavellianism; women perceived characters to be higher on
these traits than men. In addition, women (vs. men) rated themselves as higher on
extraversion, agreeableness, and conscientiousness, but lower on Machiavellianism. We
also present rankings for characters with the highest and lowest scores on each trait.
Broadly, this work is important not only for understanding how our perceptions of
personality generalize to fictional characters, but also how we use fiction characters—
and our perceptions of their personalities—to better understand our own social world.
Public Policy Relevance Statement:
Fans of Game of Thrones rated themselves and a least one character from the TV or
book series on nine personality traits. First, fans showed high consensus or agreement
in their ratings of different characters. Second, for 7 of 9 traits, fans projected their own
personality onto those of the characters they rated. Consistent with related research,
people perceive fictional characters’ personalities in the same way they do real people.
Keywords: Game of Thrones; Personality; Consensus; Projection; Assumed Similarity
The Dark Tetrad values seem to be an average of the Machiavellianism, Narcissism, Psychopathy, Sadism values.
The scores range from 5 to 1, so 3 would be in the middle.
For Implied Type, the I/E (Extraversion); S/N (Openness); T/F (Agreeableness); P/J (Conscientiousness) letter is a capital if it is not within the 2.8 to 3.2 range, and lower case for everything else except scores of 3 where I use a letter "X".
Character name Book mentions Ratings Implied Type Extraversion Open-mindedness Agreeableness Conscientiousness Negative emotionality Machiavellianism Narcissism Psychopathy Sadism Dark Tetrad Arya Stark 1,767 80 EsTJ 4.25 2.85 2.23 3.54 3.12 4.29 3.76 4.76 3.98 4.20 Jaime Lannister 1,701 65 ESTJ 4.20 2.67 2.27 3.22 2.96 3.74 4.30 4.34 4.19 4.14 Jon Snow 3,009 62 ENFJ 3.34 3.26 3.51 4.33 3.55 3.49 4.46 4.03 2.66 3.66 Daenerys Targaryen 1,594 55 ENFJ 4.17 3.82 3.42 3.50 3.69 3.82 4.54 4.73 3.44 4.13 Sansa Stark 1,524 48 INFJ 2.71 3.62 3.75 3.47 3.70 3.85 3.24 2.65 3.33 3.27 Cersei Lannister 1,180 46 ESTP 4.28 2.40 1.12 2.59 3.61 4.68 3.10 3.93 4.87 4.15 Tyrion Lannister 2,932 45 ENTJ 4.12 4.59 2.13 3.84 3.58 4.85 3.89 4.20 4.53 4.37 Eddard (Ned) Stark 1,367 42 ISFJ 2.72 2.63 3.86 4.44 3.03 2.59 3.77 3.25 2.02 2.90 Brienne of Tarth 725 42 isFJ 2.86 2.98 3.79 4.48 3.32 2.83 3.13 4.10 2.23 3.08 Davos Seaworth 676 38 IsFJ 2.54 2.96 4.07 4.13 3.11 3.27 3.59 3.51 2.34 3.18 Stannis Baratheon 1,125 34 ESTJ 3.25 2.44 1.53 4.63 3.13 3.75 3.52 3.62 3.49 3.59 Catelyn Stark 1,229 31 EnTJ 3.39 3.08 2.45 4.03 3.84 3.72 3.44 2.88 3.45 3.45 Petyr Baelish 676 28 ENTJ 3.51 4.04 1.58 3.82 2.14 4.90 3.86 3.98 4.48 4.30 Barristan Selmy 560 27 eSFJ 3.04 2.28 3.91 4.72 2.69 3.06 3.85 3.85 2.31 3.27 Sandor Clegane 579 24 iSTJ 2.99 2.11 1.69 3.36 3.51 3.14 2.99 4.47 4.40 3.75 Bran Stark 1,439 23 INFj 2.78 3.55 3.67 3.01 3.35 2.71 3.25 3.03 2.55 2.88 Theon Greyjoy 999 23 ESTP 3.23 2.54 1.87 2.35 4.07 3.74 2.61 3.57 4.00 3.48 Tywin Lannister 681 21 ESTJ 3.62 2.71 1.33 4.54 2.14 4.52 4.32 3.05 3.56 3.86 Asha/Yara Greyjoy 364 21 EsTJ 4.70 2.87 2.28 3.94 2.17 3.73 4.17 4.43 4.08 4.10 Bronn 333 14 ESTJ 3.55 2.29 1.19 3.27 1.64 4.19 3.31 4.40 4.48 4.10 Euron Greyjoy 253 13 ENTJ 4.38 4.13 1.26 3.33 2.51 4.92 4.79 4.77 4.59 4.77 Robb Stark 1,162 12 EnFJ 4.39 3.06 3.83 3.83 3.03 3.75 4.50 4.22 3.11 3.90 Robert Baratheon 905 10 ESTP 4.27 1.83 2.40 2.00 3.37 2.53 4.33 4.37 4.20 3.86 Jorah Mormont 523 10 IXTJ 2.73 3.00 2.50 4.23 3.33 3.77 3.27 3.87 2.63 3.38 Edmure Tully 300 9 EsFJ 3.81 2.81 4.00 3.67 3.04 3.41 3.44 2.81 2.52 3.05 Samwell Tarly 1,140 8 INFJ 1.63 4.50 4.38 3.83 4.38 3.17 3.17 2.46 1.63 2.60 Joffrey Baratheon 1,042 8 ESTP 4.29 1.96 1.08 2.50 2.75 3.00 1.71 3.33 4.58 3.16 Varys 434 8 iNTJ 2.83 4.08 2.42 4.04 1.83 5.00 3.79 3.75 3.42 3.99 Roose Bolton 353 8 ISTJ 2.58 2.58 1.56 3.81 1.50 4.08 3.08 3.04 3.46 3.42 Maester Aemon 310 8 INFJ 2.04 4.38 4.25 4.33 2.50 2.63 3.83 1.83 2.00 2.57 Margaery Tyrell 308 8 ENFJ 3.75 3.83 3.33 4.29 1.96 4.58 4.33 3.42 3.54 3.97 Daario Naharis 46 8 ESTJ 4.58 2.38 1.71 3.38 1.83 3.75 3.54 4.25 4.42 3.99 Renly Baratheon 534 6 ESTp 4.67 2.67 2.11 2.89 1.78 3.89 4.33 3.39 4.00 3.90 Lysa Arryn 349 6 XSTP 3.00 2.78 1.83 1.89 4.67 3.17 1.61 2.28 3.72 2.69 Maester Luwin 264 6 INFJ 2.28 3.94 4.33 4.50 2.17 2.78 3.11 1.89 1.94 2.43 Ygritte 51 6 EsTJ 4.50 2.89 2.39 3.28 2.28 2.89 3.28 4.33 3.56 3.51 Olenna Tyrell 44 6 ENTJ 4.50 4.00 1.50 4.50 2.39 4.89 4.50 3.78 4.89 4.51 Mance Rayder 385 5 ENtJ 4.33 4.27 2.93 4.20 2.40 3.93 4.80 4.40 2.73 3.97 Loras Tyrell 320 5 ESTJ 3.60 2.73 2.70 3.93 3.00 2.73 3.73 3.87 3.13 3.37 Melisandre of Asshai 281 5 ENTJ 3.40 3.87 2.47 3.73 2.73 4.40 4.27 3.53 3.00 3.80 Gendry 271 5 ISTJ 2.67 2.60 2.33 4.07 2.60 3.13 3.07 3.40 3.47 3.27 Ramsay Bolton 327 4 esTP 3.17 2.92 1.08 2.67 2.33 2.92 2.67 3.83 3.83 3.33 Tormund Giantsbane 55 4 ESTJ 4.67 2.17 2.33 3.83 1.75 3.42 4.17 4.58 3.17 3.83 Tommen Baratheon 411 3 INFP 2.56 3.44 4.44 2.44 3.33 2.00 2.39 1.44 1.67 1.86 Gregor Clegane 369 3 ESTP 3.89 1.33 1.11 2.67 2.78 3.11 3.56 4.11 4.11 3.72 Hodor 329 3 ISFP 2.33 2.22 4.44 2.67 3.11 2.22 2.22 2.78 2.11 2.33 Maester Pycelle 290 3 INTP 2.56 3.33 2.44 2.78 2.78 4.22 2.89 2.33 2.89 3.08 Jeor Mormont 493 2 ENFJ 3.67 3.67 3.83 4.67 2.17 3.83 4.67 4.00 2.83 3.83 Hizdahr zo Loraq 267 2 EXTj 3.50 3.00 2.67 3.17 1.83 3.17 3.17 2.50 2.83 2.92 Missandei 62 2 INFJ 2.33 3.83 4.00 4.33 3.00 3.00 2.83 2.17 2.50 2.63 Shae 47 2 eXtP 3.17 3.00 2.83 2.67 2.00 3.67 3.00 2.83 3.17 3.17 Podrick Payne 45 2 IXFJ 2.17 3.00 4.67 4.17 3.00 2.33 2.33 2.17 1.83 2.17 High Sparrow 38 2 ENTJ 3.50 4.50 2.17 3.67 1.50 5.00 4.67 4.67 3.33 4.42 Khal Drogo 291 1 ESTJ 4.67 1.00 1.67 3.33 2.33 2.67 3.33 4.33 4.33 3.67 Grey Worm 43 1 ISFJ 2.67 2.00 3.67 4.67 2.00 2.33 2.67 3.67 1.33 2.50 Osha 30 1 EXXJ 3.67 3.00 3.00 4.67 2.00 3.33 3.00 3.67 3.33 3.33
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Wonder if this guy is EIE or SEE, both in the series and real life.