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    I have thought more about the whole contrast between the Lannisters and Tyrells (especially about the women of the family) and about Margaery as a character. I mean I have written about this scene where they interrogated Sansa about Joffrey, because Olennas mindset just caught my interest. They come to know what Joffrey is about and it’s like form there on their plan (or Olennas) for the Purple Wedding is formed.

    I think as women of their time, in their positions, they often just had to bow to the general ‚family ambition‘ and marry, who they got told to marry. Like when Tywin marries Cersei off to Robert and then later this scene where Tywin orders Cersei to marry Loras and she is like ‚father don‘t make me do that again‘ and you can feel the sheer panic. But with the Tyrells you get the feeling, that Olenna as head of the family, it‘s like she kind of knows how it just is and that she tries to spare her granddaughter the worst.

    I mean here Olennas background*** She just maneuvered around, so that she didn’t have to marry the dude she didn’t wanted to and settled for someone of her decision. That’s where I think the Tyrells family member don’t turn against each other so heavily. There is less resentment. Idk more looking out for each other. Yes I know I kind of throw some book quotes and show together and of course I don’t do the whole complexity of everything much justice and maybe I read some motivations wrong.

    It’s just a little bit some stuff I throw around. Some vague thoughts. Like how different families deal with family members and the whole dynamic that develops therefore. Like with Cersei how everyone just sees her as this ‚bitchy‘ and 'cold', but I mean the question is why is she like that? What made her to be like that. And if you read how she experiences her role in the family, you might understand why she is not running around like little miss sunshine and all.

    Like that she maybe has to be this way out of necssity. To survive in the snake pit that is Kings Landing. Also with Catelyn Stark (where I saw parallels with Cersei). Like she has this immense sense of duty regarding her family and children. And she goes on and on and on. Warning her son Robb about Walder Frey, but it‘s always like her voice never really gets heard and you get the feeling how she starts to tire.

    Olenna: In her youth, Olenna Redwyne was engaged to a member of House Targaryen, as it was "all the rage" at the time; it was her sister Viola whom Luthor Tyrell was expected to marry. The night before Luthor was to propose to Viola, Olenna snuck into his chamber and seduced him, leaving him "unable to walk downstairs" the next day to propose to Viola. Olenna did this because the thought of marrying a Targaryen and his "ludicrous silver hair" did not appeal to her.
    Cersei: “When we were little, Jaime and I were so much alike that even our lord father could not tell us apart. Sometimes as a lark we would dress in each other’s clothes and spend a whole day each as the other. Yet even so, when Jaime was given his first sword, there was none for me. ‘What do I get?’ I remember asking. We were so much alike, I could never understand why they treated us so differently. Jaime learned to fight with sword and lance and mace, while I was taught to smile and sing and please. He was heir to Casterly Rock, while I was to be sold to some stranger like a horse, to be ridden whenever my new owner liked, beaten whenever he liked, and cast aside in time for a younger filly. Jaime’s lot was to be glory and power, while mine was birth and moonblood.”
    Catelyn: “I keep remembering the Stark words. Winter has come, Father. For me. For me. Robb must fight the Greyjoys now as well as the Lannisters, and for what? For a gold hat and an iron chair? Surely the land has bled enough. I want my girls back, I want Robb to lay down his sword and pick some homely daughter of Walder Frey to make him happy and give him sons. I want Bran and Rickon back, I want…” Catelyn hung her head. “I want,” she said once more, and then her words were gone."
    I don’t know. Maybe it doesn’t capture everything, but when I think of Catelyn, I always think of that passage. It captures her at her most fundamental - as a mother who loves her children so deeply, who wants to protect them and knows that she can’t do that for them all. It also looks to Catelyn’s role as a woman in Westerosi society, and how expectations can be jarred violently out of place by reality. Do your duty, Catelyn Tully, obey your father, marry the man he says you should marry, bear his children, and everything will be fine. But, of course, everything isn’t fine: her lord father is dying, her husband was killed by their political enemies, and now she must watch her brother and uncle and son risk their lives in battle. Her smile is wan and tired because she herself is tired - tired of worrying about her scattered, broken pack, tired of the bloodshed and folly of war. At the same time, she’s still a woman of her time and place: it is only because all of her male relations are away that Brienne - brave, honorable Brienne - must take the men’s place, protecting her as her sworn shield.
    From here:
    http://warsofasoiaf.tumblr.com/post/140519862776/same-ask-about-characters-defining-moment-for

    Like how that was just the reality of their situation and how it formed their characters. And that’s what I mean. Like here you see ‚character defining‘ depth. Like Cersei being that way, maybe to protect herself. How Catelyn always has to fight and fight, but it feels like she never get heard out. Like the whole influence of how their position, or their duties, or their role in the family and the time they lived in just shaped them. And then the contrast to Maergary and her 'portrayal' and ‚I want to be the queen‘ etc. which in contrast to the others just sounded and felt flat to me.

    yeah I know, she is young (but so are other characters in the show/book) and we don't get a lot of access to her thoughts.
    Last edited by Moonbeaux Rainfox; 03-18-2016 at 08:51 PM.

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