Explain Ni

[ClaudiaM]

I might post more. Synopsis of a few previous posts meshed together:

I think of as primarily apprehending emergent fundamental patterns present in reality. When 'predicts' something, it's really nothing to do with 'time' in any direct capacity, but rather a sense of, "oh, I've seen this shit before, and I already know the gist of how it will likely play out."

These anticipations are rarely linear, where situations are predicted in unfolding stepwise sequences of 1 → 2 → 3 → 4… It's more of a general conception, an overall gestalt theme. Where analogous people, situations, concepts, etc. get chunked together under various idea templates of "people like X," or "situations like that." So when experiential perception hints that you've had previous encounters with some underlying element(s) of an entity or scenario you find yourself in, immediate parallels draw to mind. Over time with accumulated experiential datums (via ), these idea-perceptions (or whatever one wants to call them) can evolve in greater depth+breadth to reveal and encompass hitherto unseen nuances, connections, patterns, etc. present in reality. Hence why gets associated (per Jung especially) with awareness of archetypes.

Surely this is the way all human beings must function in order to survive. From "I've seen that animal before, he is a wild beast and is likely to try to eat me" in the jungle to "Oh I see where this is likely going, I have seen these signs before but they are more likely attempts to wine, dine, and ultimately just have sex with me, well that is not a path I like and I may avoid it now or more likely wait for more information to confirm or contradict" in dating or even "Oh I see the way these changes are happening, they lead to X result, well that may not be what we want to do so maybe we should alter actions A and B" in almost any area of life.

I find it very odd to think that those who do not have Ni in their ego blocks operate much differently. If they did, and supposing less people lacked this ability, XSEs would have a very hard time of it indeed.

[jessica129]

Well if this thread doesn't make you want to gouge your eyes out you deserve a pat on the back. Socionics iz too hard.

[Aiss]

Consider the process that Ni's "imagination" goes through. First there is sensing - a static snapshot of reality is captured.That snapshot is held on to and abstracted with other snapshots. As time goes on, however, these old snapshots are used over and over and over in the formulation of new thought without being refreshed. With use, the snapshots' quality and intensity degrade, and so are overcompensated for in the form of Ni, or "imaginative thought" of how things really are. But in actuality, the degradation in quality and intensity makes Ni's overcompensation highly susceptible to being irrational and unrealistic, mystic and crazy even. All of this, though, can be reverted by feeding Ni with more snapshots of current sensational reality. However, that does not mean Se is on the actual side of "reality". In all truth, the subjective Self that allows these thoughts to deviate from the sensations, can attest to there being more to reality than meets the eye. But I digress.

Congratulations, you've managed to capture the essence of Ne.

Ne is static, object (otherwise known as "bodies"), abstract. Conceptualization such as described in the above paragraph.

Ni abstracts over context rather than content. And if you can bring yourself to use the world "snapshot", you aren't talking of it, so don't try to twist it around and claim that's what you're saying.

Ne Ego: Freely abstracting snapshots, accentuation is not too unhealthy, unless extreme.
Ne SuperId: Accepting of abstractions. Susceptibility to unrealistic thought from the unconscious.

Ne SuperEgo: Unconscious influence due to suppression. Constant suppression of abstractions for fear of unhealthy imaginative thought. Overcompensation in the form of "getting lost in the present" and minutiae.
Ne Id: Unconscious influence due to suppression, highly susceptible to unrealistic imaginative thought due to a reluctance to refresh perceptions.

FFT.

Seriously. Especially the first. If that's how you describe yourself, know you don't fit in with Ni-egos, but with Ne-egos. And no, we aren't going to rename those and rearrange everything just to accommodate you, sorry.

[The Ineffable]

Good job, thieving parrot.

Stop parroting me.

“The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.” –Niels Bohr (Te-INTp)

“How wonderful that we have met with a paradox. Now we have some hope of making progress!” –Niels Bohr (Te-INTp)

“Every sentence I utter must be understood not as an affirmation, but as a question.” –Niels Bohr (Te-INTp)

“For a parallel to the lesson of atomic theory regarding the limited applicability of such customary idealizations, we must in fact turn to quite other branches of science, such as psychology, or even to that kind of epistemological problems with which already thinkers like Buddha and Lao Tsu have been confronted, when trying to harmonize our position as spectators and actors in the great drama of existence.” –Niels Bohr (Te-INTp)

Let me help you with a clarification for new users: Bohr is ILE in Socionics, this type was close to be renamed "Niels Bohr" from "Don Quixote" in the late eighties, there is evidence in Aushra's letters; Ashton uses his own esoteric system (TM).

Seriously. Especially the first. If that's how you describe yourself, know you don't fit in with Ni-egos, but with Ne-egos. And no, we aren't going to rename those and rearrange everything just to accommodate you, sorry.

Hey, don't say that, it would mean we agree on something!

[mfckr]

Surely this is the way all human beings must function in order to survive. From "I've seen that animal before, he is a wild beast and is likely to try to eat me" in the jungle to "Oh I see where this is likely going, I have seen these signs before but they are more likely attempts to wine, dine, and ultimately just have sex with me, well that is not a path I like and I may avoid it now or more likely wait for more information to confirm or contradict" in dating or even "Oh I see the way these changes are happening, they lead to X result, well that may not be what we want to do so maybe we should alter actions A and B" in almost any area of life.

I find it very odd to think that those who do not have Ni in their ego blocks operate much differently. If they did, and supposing less people lacked this ability, XSEs would have a very hard time of it indeed.

I'm probably not quite conveying clearly what I mean.

Yes, everybody makes these sorts of inductive inferences based upon their synthesized knowledge + life experience. Obviously this ability is vital to human survival, else our prehistoric forebears would've been eaten by predators and generally driven to extinction by selective pressures. This basic psychological faculty isn't what I'm referring to.

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… Alright, look—where everybody gets perpetually tripped up on Socionics, is they keep trying to draw 1-1 simplifications between particular IEs and particular ontological facets of reality—i.e., that each IE uniquely corresponds to certain fundamental properties present in the natural objective world, properties that would retain a tangible existence even independent of human awareness to apprehend them. As if in principle one could measure the "Se" inherent in a rock, or something ridiculous like this.

It doesn't work like this. The influence of IEs and Socionics type begins and ends at the phenomenal level of the human psyche, only modulating the subjective style in how an individual experiences reality—IEs have absolutely no direct determinative control over what can be perceived, nor what actions people can or cannot undertake, nor what sorts of cognitive operations their minds can engage in, etc. Any influence IEs might have on these more operational aspects of human mental function would be of a marginally indirect nature, exhibiting a diverse range of idiosyncratic effects between individuals per differences in gender, heredity, culture, background, and other co-factors.

Naturally of course, it makes sense that the phenomenological variations induced by IE differences have intersubjective consequences in the realm of human relations, social dynamics, various ideas and constructs emergent from such arrangements, etc. Hence quadras and intertypes.

I'll get back to adequately defining later. For now, you're welcome to read as much or as little of the following as you'd like from Andrzej Kokoszka's primer on Kepinski Information Metabolism:

Information Metabolism

The model of information metabolism was first presented by Kępiński (1970) and then further developed by him and others. Kępiński claimed that technical models impose a dualistic characterization of human beings—thus implying that mental processes govern somatic processes mechanistically and explaining very little about psychological life, e.g., experiences, creativity. He considered biological models to be closer to psychological reality than technical ones, because they take life into consideration.

–He also describes two phases of such metabolism. The first phase, which is almost entirely involuntary and localized in lower parts of the brain (diencephalon and rhinencephalon), establishes a basic attitude “toward” or “against” some aspects of the environment. The second phase, which is voluntary and localized in the neocortex, is responsible for active behavior in relation to the environment.

Information metabolism occurs within a defined space and time. It has a control center (CC)—i.e., ego or the “I”—and functional structures enabling reception, processing, and assimilation of information, as well as regulation of the organisms‘s own activities. Information metabolism is determined by the phylogenetic and ontogenetic past of organism, but it is also involved in pursuing aims which extend into the future. It creates individually varying pictures (i.e., functional structures) of the outside world, which although objectively uniform are perceived as unique and different by each individual.

The term “functional structure” is used by Kępiński for schematic representation of perception and activity.

System of Values

Decision-making is recognized as one of the basic features of life; it has different degrees of freedom in different organisms—limited in the most primitive organisms and a maximum value in humans. The hierarchy of values governs the mechanisms selecting and filtering the information reaching any particular decision-making level. This system of values has three levels (Kępiński, 1977b):

1. The first one is biological and is concerned with all that is described by the concept of biological programming (i.e., all that man is born with and can control to some extent). It is determined by two basic biological laws: self and species preservation. Depending on how well they are established one can speak of greater or lesser life dynamics of an individual.
2. The second level determines an emotional attitude (i.e.,“towards” or “against”). It is characterized by the formation of complexes, which are emotional centers where an individual’s emotional relations meet with the environment. These centers are usually formed around an important person from childhood and influence a person’s emotional relationships in later life. Complexes can also arise in connection with traumatic situations and can shape an individual’s attitudes toward similar situations that occur later in life. Complexes become fixed by repetition. The biological and emotional levels are located below the threshold of consciousness, meaning they are automatic. They shape a “real hierarchy of values” (“I am really like this”) based on fixed and automatic tendencies, habits, and attitudes.
3. The third level is sociocultural and determines how an individual projects himself into the future (“I would like to be like this, these are my goals, this seems most important to me”). This level is conscious and consists of an individual’s aspirations, ideals, and cultural models. It refers to the hierarchy of values of one’s social environment.

The real hierarchy of values is more important in the process of decision-making, but final decisions are determined by all levels of the system of values, including the ideal hierarchy. Therefore, an individual’s will can control his or her behavior to a certain degree.

Sense of Reality and Feedback between an Organism and Environment

One of the rules governing information metabolism says that the world around is changeable and the organism is stable (Kępiński, 1979a). Any change in the structure of the exchange of signals with the environment provokes an orientation reflex, which is accompanied by the feeling of anxiety. The force of the vegetative and emotional reaction to the outside stimulus depends on the force and the unusualness of the stimulus and on the present state of consciousness. The reaction is exceptionally strong when the signaling system is in a state of low selecting ability (e.g., in sleep), which can be shown as a scale of values changing with the situation and making one set of signals reach the organism more easily than another.

Maintaining Order

“Order is the essence of the structure. The preservation of structure and order in the metabolism of energy requires no effort, at least no conscious effort, for this is taken care of by physiological mechanisms. Their preservation in information metabolism is connected with continuous efforts focusing on the proper selection of information coming from the outside and inside of the organism and on the choice of proper forms of reactions. This integrational effort is largely unconscious. However, the part that reaches our consciousness is enough to realize how much effort it requires to keep order in the chaos of contradictory emotions, ideas, plans and ways of looking at the world and ourselves, etc. Integrational efforts are conscious when they take shape in an act of will. Information metabolism is subjectively experienced as a pressure of sensation coming from the world outside, which man tries to arrange and sort out under greater or lesser tension and due to which the world of man’s experiences constantly changes its theme and color” (Kępiński, 1979a, p. 191), and from the world inside, which is made up of signals coming from the interoreceptors and man’s own mental activities: dreams, plans, memories, fantasies, thoughts, and the like.

The degree of total integration of the functions of man’s nervous system is proportional to the state of consciousness, e.g., aware responsiveness to the environment. Any break of contact with the surrounding world causes a relaxation of this integrating process. The sense of reality is directly dependent on man’s sensorial contact with the environment. In man’s sense of reality there is a lot of habit and belief. Its order is disturbed whenever man faces a new, unusual situation, when he experiences an accumulation of too many positive or negative emotions, or when, for a longer period of time, his actions are influenced by his negative emotional attitude toward the world around him and to himself. The monotony of such an emotional state makes life dull, unpleasant, and boring so that its reality becomes blurred.

[EyeSeeCold]

Congratulations, you've managed to capture the essence of Ne.

Ne is static, object (otherwise known as "bodies"), abstract. Conceptualization such as described in the above paragraph.

Ni abstracts over context rather than content. And if you can bring yourself to use the world "snapshot", you aren't talking of it, so don't try to twist it around and claim that's what you're saying.

Way to make a hasty assumption. The snapshots I was referring to are . Read it again, and this time pay attention.

[Aiss]

Way to make a hasty assumption. The snapshots I was referring to are . Read it again, and this time pay attention.

I know you're calling it Se. Doesn't make it so. You were talking about abstracting snapshots, which is Ne.

I recall an old thread which you might or might not have seen, where elements were similarly represented. If that's where you get it from, try to read it with comprehension. Otherwise, if those are your own thoughts, I can only say you sound totally Ne > Ni.

[EyeSeeCold]

I know you're calling it Se. Doesn't make it so. You were talking about abstracting snapshots, which is Ne.

The snapshots are , Ni abstracts them and makes them into dynamic mental representations of reality.

Abstract has more than one meaning:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/abstract#English

Verb
abstract (third-person singular simple present abstracts, present participle abstracting, simple past and past participle abstracted)
(transitive) To separate; to remove; to take away.  [quotations ▼]
(transitive) To withdraw.
(transitive) (euphemistic) To steal; to take away; to remove without permission.  [quotations ▼]
(transitive) (art) To create artistic abstractions of.
(transitive) To summarize; to abridge; to epitomize.
(transitive) To consider abstractly; to contemplate separately or by itself.
(transitive) To draw off (interest or attention).
He was wholly abstracted by other objects.
 [quotations ▼]
(transitive) (obsolete) To extract by means of distillation.
(intransitive) To withdraw oneself; to retire.
(intransitive) (rare) To perform the process of abstraction.  [quotations ▼]
(intransitive) (computing) To produce an abstraction, usually by refactoring existing code. Generally used with "out".

Now, are you going to say Ni is "concreted"?

[Aiss]

The snapshots are , Ni abstracts them and makes them into dynamic mental representations of reality.

Abstract has more than one meaning:

Now, are you going to say Ni is "concreted"?

Ne, Ni, Te and Ti are all abstract. Try again. Hint: focusing exclusively on "snapshot" and exclusively on "abstract" didn't work so far. How about no longer avoiding the point?

[EyeSeeCold]

Ne, Ni, Te and Ti are all abstract. Try again. Hint: focusing exclusively on "snapshot" and exclusively on "abstract" didn't work so far. How about no longer avoiding the point?

What are you talking about avoiding the point?

The "abstract" I was using in terms of Ni and Se, is a conceptualization. Se is the sensate reality, just as much as Si, however the former is static and the latter is dynamic. Both Ne and Ni are conceptualizations, both are abstracted forms of sensing. Where the difference is - is in Ni feeding off multiple snapshots to recreate a dynamic reality. Whereas Ne is the snapshot, and that's that.

You're playing around with different terms and definitions and here I am trying to find consensus and you're monkeying around bringing other perspectives in that are irrelevant to what we're trying to straighten out. We're not discussing Ti and Te. We're discussing Ni, Se, Ne, and Si. Stick to the topic.

[Aiss]

What are you talking about avoiding the point?

The "abstract" I was using in terms of Ni and Se, is a conceptualization. Se is the sensate reality, just as much as Si, however the former is static and the latter is dynamic. Both Ne and Ni are conceptualizations, both are abstracted forms of sensing.

Parroted definitions deserve an A.

Where the difference is - is in Ni feeding off multiple snapshots to recreate a dynamic reality. Whereas Ne is the snapshot, and that's that.

It isn't. It's abstracted snapshot, if anything. I just find it hard to see how you could keep missing this.

You're playing around with different terms and definitions and here I am trying to find consensus and you're monkeying around bringing other perspectives in that are irrelevant to what we're trying to straighten out. We're not discussing Ti and Te. We're discussing Ni, Se, Ne, and Si. Stick to the topic.

Then stop pretending I'm denying Ni is abstract or whatever else you put into my mouth.

I'm not so much bringing "other" perspectives here, as I'm trying to create a relevant abstracted perspective, in human terms - put it into context. Of course, if you choose to see it as multiple perspective leading to conceptualized content, you may - that's called Si/Ne, by the way. And choosing to see something a specific way is precisely what information metabolism is about, not "using" elements or logical thinking or mysticism or whatever other stereotyped crap is flying around.

[EyeSeeCold]

Parroted definitions deserve an A.

An unsubstantiated claim.

It isn't. It's abstracted snapshot, if anything. I just find it hard to see how you could keep missing this.

I didn't deny that:
Where the difference is - is in Ni feeding off multiple snapshots to recreate a dynamic reality. Whereas Ne is the snapshot, and that's that.

I didn't drop the word "abstract" because that was not the focus of the moment. There was no need to as both Ne and Ni are abstract in the same sense of being intuitive.

Then stop pretending I'm denying Ni is abstract or whatever else you put into my mouth.

I'm not so much bringing "other" perspectives here, as I'm trying to create a relevant abstracted perspective, in human terms - put it into context.

Bringing in Ti and Te is bringing in other perspectives, as we were not discussing those.

Of course, if you choose to see it as multiple perspective leading to conceptualized content, you may - that's called Si/Ne, by the way. And choosing to see something a specific way is precisely what information metabolism is about, not "using" elements or logical thinking or mysticism or whatever other stereotyped crap is flying around.

FTR, IM aspects are an absolute, but IM elements are not.

Not to mention:

Give your own definition of what Ni is & explain how you perceive it.

Just curious.

[Creepy-female]

Well if this thread doesn't make you want to gouge your eyes out you deserve a pat on the back. Socionics iz too hard.

Ns discussing their own function = fail

[jessica129]

This takes socionics to a whole new level of nerdy.

[woofwoofl]

I still like "vision" and "foresight" for the most - brevity rules

[woofwoofl]

You can call it that, but it misses the point and breaks down when applied to real people. Leads to stereotypes, caricatures, type-elitism and everything we all love to hate about Stupetronics.

Yep yep language is a damn tricky thing, it would be so much better if there were a way to directly pipeline raw thoughts from brain to brain (and perhaps there will be one day)...

Expansive and detailed definitions are wonderful to have - when things are boiled down to be more mentally portable, they can also be a lot more crude (and different from person to person), which is a problem (and for "Stupetronics")...

And yep, I'll be busting my brains out on Kepinski Information Metabolism - if I'm reading things right, I can already see the / axis in place with the second phase of information metabolism greatly consisting of , if I'm reading (and wording) this correct...

[EyeSeeCold]

No, Aiss is right—what you said sounded Ne/Si > Ni/Se to me.

Fix'd. Though you can leave any notions of baiting here. I've spoken my piece, and need only to finish my initial entry.

[rat1]

ESC that really sounds like Ne. Lol

[silverchris9]

Okay. I'm going to do with without referencing anything I've said before about the topic and before reading any of the other replies, from a sort of experiential viewpoint.

Ni is getting to the end through the beginning. Ni is guessing accurately. Ni is seeing the elements at play and thereby divining the outcome. Ni is figuring out the point of the sentence and the punchline of the joke before either have arrived. Ni is that little guess of "oh, I see what you're doing there. It's under the surface but I get it." This is referencing something I like to say a lot, but Ni is kind of like a fire-pole you can climb up or slide down at will, moving backwards and forwards in causality (causality, perhaps both in the sense of material and of final cause, is a better descriptor of what Ni moves in than "time"). Ni is how I get a hold of slippery thoughts while writing poetry. Ni is pattern-recognition, particularly in human behavior (NiFe). Ni is generally concerned with metacognitive data. Ni is the part of me enthralled by storytelling, because a story represents a pattern not yet unfurled or something. Or it is like deeply satisfying insofar as it enacts a pattern?

I connect Ni somehow to this large spiritual sense, this sense of energy, this awareness of spirit, the tendency towards pathetic fallacy, towards reading things into or out of the wind, of finding convergence points between matter and spirit and the ways of the mind and the physical laws of the earth. Ni is the "don't wreck the shroud" of how things wrap around one another perfectly, how everything represents itself. Ni is my interest in representation as another one of those chains on which I can slide forward or backward ("representative priority" perhaps. Or the places in which two things that mimic one another bounce off each other, the features they attract from one another, etc). Ni is the perspective that makes me look for chains on which to move forward and backwards. Ni is my desire for something big and huge and grand and overwhelming, my preference for sublimity. Ni is the Aleph, the Alpha and Omega sign, the image of the image of the world, the thing that will smack me in the face and overwhelm my soul, or at least the desire for that sort of knowledge (although not the cultural conditioning and personal history that make me color it as knowledge. And even here, it is more accurately "knowing").

Ni is the tendency to be outside myself. Ni is all of these things, and my failure to come to a coherent cohesion of them all. Ni is my desire to wade into the incoherent, and my celebration thereof because of my reading of the clearness that must result.

[ScarlettLux]

You know it's funny because I'm certain I know just as much if not more about Socionics than all the people that have posted in this thread, yet I still can't even begin to attempt reading some of this abstract gibberish

[Creepy-male]

You know it's funny because I'm certain I know just as much if not more about Socionics than all the people that have posted in this thread, yet I still can't even begin to attempt reading some of this abstract gibberish

It's ok, you'll get there one day, I know how it is. Sometimes when I go running I'm certain when I start I could run for miles, but then I find that throughout the process it's a lot harder than I originally thought it would be.

Just keep trying, its ok, you'll get there...

[Beautiful sky]

Ni is intuition (knowing/sensing) of time. My mom: "honey, save your money, this is hard time and be prepared just in case you lose your job"; she attempts to see the process of job/money/preparation as one sequence of time and she serves this as a means to advise her dual, who is impulsive, at the moment type of person, to do the important things now that will help them in the future. She knows the time and is confident about the control of events within it. Just do as she says and you'll be ahead of the game. That's her take on it.

My LSE boyfriend, Ni PoLR, feels like he has no control of time and gets stressed out because they are naturally controlling types. Next to death, another element that LSE has no control over, time is second. You should only see him and how tense he is when we have to be at the movies by 7pm. We try to get out and be there 2 hours ahead (it's usually 30 minutes away in real time), but in LSE time it's anything but 30 minutes away. He is terrible with time.

I'm great with time. I have Ni demo and so I calm him down. He, being external type, needed to see that I was great with it to trust me. I showed him and now he's so relaxed around me.

[ScarlettLux]

It's ok, you'll get there one day, I know how it is. Sometimes when I go running I'm certain when I start I could run for miles, but then I find that throughout the process it's a lot harder than I originally thought it would be.

Just keep trying, its ok, you'll get there...

lol maybe you're just fat

[jughead]

Ashtons first post was the best so far. Read the damn type descriptions on wikisocion. An IEI sees repetitive patterns that have occured before to predict or extrapolate what will happen and then try to change or avoid outcomes as to benefit. Time based patterns, trends. If you acted like an asshole before and did X and I see X again I will catch onto your drift and move away from your bullshit or call you out etc. It's simple as shit. My basic perception is seeing the flowing trends of things. People act in learned patterns and algorithms and repeat the shit out of them. I use Fe by calling out your shit, talking shit, influencing others, making a distraction with Fe, telling a joke to lighten the situation if your going to blow up etc. Next time I won't say "shit" so much. But I don't have a static goal, just Ni as the way.

[Sumer1an]

Ni is intuition (knowing/sensing) of time. My mom: "honey, save your money, this is hard time and be prepared just in case you lose your job"; she attempts to see the process of job/money/preparation as one sequence of time and she serves this as a means to advise her dual, who is impulsive, at the moment type of person, to do the important things now that will help them in the future. She knows the time and is confident about the control of events within it. Just do as she says and you'll be ahead of the game. That's her take on it.

My LSE boyfriend, Ni PoLR, feels like he has no control of time and gets stressed out because they are naturally controlling types. Next to death, another element that LSE has no control over, time is second. You should only see him and how tense he is when we have to be at the movies by 7pm. We try to get out and be there 2 hours ahead (it's usually 30 minutes away in real time), but in LSE time it's anything but 30 minutes away. He is terrible with time.

I'm great with time. I have Ni demo and so I calm him down. He, being external type, needed to see that I was great with it to trust me. I showed him and now he's so relaxed around me.

Yeah... thats not what Ni is. at all. Ni has nothing to do with time has far as the actual definition or description goes, rather the function applies well to time.

[Sumer1an]

These are things I associate with Ni which may or may not have anything to do with it:

Making assumptions about people's thoughts or intentions.
-This soup advertisement pictures a bunch of kids playing and having fun. Whoever made this soup obviously wants me to believe that if I buy it, I'm going to be happy.

Making detailed predictions of how events will turn out (sometimes with exaggerations, as the dominant function often does).
-In conversation: "Yeah, I don't really want to go to the party because basically what's going to happen is Sally's going to see Mark with Emma and then make a huge scene which will probably end up with Mark getting really uncomfortable and doing that stuttering thing he always does. Jane will probably try to fix the ruined atmosphere by telling some horrible joke which will only make things worse... etc etc"

Trying to make the world how the Ni-er believes it should be ideally, or even acts as if the world is already like that.
-Bill thinks that, ideally, being openly gay would be a normal thing. So, he never makes a big, "coming out of the closet" scene in high school. Rather, always when asked, "are you gay?" replies with a, "Yeah," as casually as if someone had just asked him if he was part Irish. This kind of molds the world into the way he wants it to be.

extensively (and accurately, for the most part) analyzing why a person acts the way they do, based on things that have happened in that person's past, and how it's effecting them now. Even knowing what kind of decisions they will have to make in the future.
-Bob naturally likes to do action A but his parents hate action A. Bob wants his parents to love him so he suppresses action A. Later, to make up for the suppression, Bob has to let action A out of its cage, but when let out, action A acts more aggressively than it would naturally, and so Bob seens like a giant dick.

So yeah, there's probably some Ne and Fe mixed in there. I have heard all of these things associated with Ni before, but there's a lot of shitty type descriptions out there.


I guess this isn't so much about what Ni IS, rather, how Ni thinks.

I would say that Ni acts all of those ways when it is a leading function. The only part I would not agree with you on is the third function you listed.

[Beautiful sky]

"Ni is in terms of the effect the world has on them and the influence they have upon the world." It is a subjective function so this makes sense about the subjective nature of this Intuition.

"Ni seeks self-awareness and thinks that experiences are fleeting." This is important for Se types, who seek experiences.

"Ni seeks a path to inner space where the mind is isolated from the world, a place of clarity. Security for Ni is having inner peace from where the complexities and confusions of life have little impact. Ni must withdraw in order to cope or discover." Shows off more of their introverted, low energy, nature.

"Ni will step back to address a problem because they need perspective, which would likely be fresh having forgotten a lot of what was done in the past; however, they would remember where they stood on such issues." This is the perceptual nature of Ni. The problem solving part is also a contribution to their experience seeking, high an impulsive energy driven duals. One has to slow down or be slow to look at the problem in a perspective only that Ni may not look at the problem in many perspectives? This I am not sure about.

[Sumer1an]

Ok cool, that's good to know. The third one was based on a peculiar case with an ENxj - it was probably just his personal philosophy or something.

Yeah... Im not sure. It might be type related, I do similar things to what you described but I doubt it's related to Ni.

[Creepy-male]

lol maybe you're just fat

Lol if we were to stick with the analogy yes, in a way I am fat, I'm pregnant with much knowledge on the topic of socionics.

[EyeSeeCold]

Lol if we were to stick with the analogy yes, in a way I am fat, I'm pregnant with much knowledge on the topic of socionics.

The extended version was much better. Metaphors, +1.