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    Jack London ???


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    honest labor needs no master

    Nothing good is a miracle, nothing lovely is a dream.

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    Politics and conspiracy theories aside, this woman is a likely ISFj, no?


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    Quote Originally Posted by COVID 007 View Post
    Owe Bergsten – LIE

    The man who scammed Nintendo and other Japanese and helped to grow Nintendo.



    He is in the middle.

    Liars must never be glorified by glorifying one of them all you've done is show your -PoLR
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    Sasha Sloan- ESI (Se?)




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    Someone drew this comic to represent their relationship, this gives me EFp ITp vibes




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    Pure LIE. This is what happens when you give an LIE access to tools.

    I think his buddy is ESI. He's the one the LIE handed the controller to, at 56:20, with good reason. An ESI is a good driver.

    Watch the first part to see him build a jet engine from scrap.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Pure LIE. This is what happens when you give an LIE access to tools.

    I think his buddy is ESI. He's the one the LIE handed the controller to, at 56:20, with good reason. An ESI is a good driver.

    Watch the first part to see him build a jet engine from scrap.

    Damn, now I'm going to have to find how the inverse works in video format somehow. How would an ILI perform a similar feat with his SEE partner?

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    Lex Fridman - ESI-Se 4w5, with an SLI subtype




    Dean Koontz - ILI-Te 9w8

    https://www.dailydot.com/irl/dean-koontz-coronavirus/


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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    Damn, he looks remarkably similar to an ILI-Te (probably even same e-type) I'm currently working with.

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    I think Bebe Rexha is SEE-Fi.


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    ESFP - Napoleon


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    ESFP - Napoleon


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    Napoleon


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    ISFJ - Dreiser

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    ENTJ - Jack London

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    INTP - Balzac



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    Quote Originally Posted by thegreenfaerie View Post
    is that how we tell of a girl is ESI? If Adam is attracted to her?
    isn't that dude attracted to everyone tho

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    Napoleon

    This is beautiful. There is a Dia de los Muertos event in Tucson, Arizona where people dress up like this, it's really cool. The first time I went was like some magical pagan dreamworld with a sky filled with pink smoke, dark aesthetic/attire, balinese gamelan music and performers hanging from wires with fire etc. I believe they promoters got cited by the city for the smoke though, so no more smoke the following years : (

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    honest labor needs no master

    Nothing good is a miracle, nothing lovely is a dream.

    Επί πάντων μέμνησο τα έσχατά σου, και ου μη αμαρτήσης

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    Quote Originally Posted by khcs View Post
    Could you please move this video to the delta quadra examples topic? Example of ENFP - Huxley
    No but you can add her in that thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by khcs View Post
    Delete it from here.
    No need. You made it clear that she may be delta. Now people know. Thanks for your services.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalinoche the Child View Post
    No need. You made it clear that she may be delta. Now people know. Thanks for your services.
    Leave it here. You are welcome Dostoevsky.
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    Seems ILI


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    This one goes to the Beta quadra!

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    Quote Originally Posted by khcs View Post
    This one goes to the Beta quadra!
    Nah.


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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxe View Post
    Nah.
    Dah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxe View Post
    Seems ILI

    I think he's LIE. When asked a question, he doesn't "go deep inside his head" for the answer, like an introvert would do. He just replies.

    Furthermore, he got into his mafia life to help out his dad and "to make money." Making money is the raison d'etre of LIE's. It is the only thing I can point to in my own life for doing anything, major or minor.

    Also, that shiny violet shirt. Lol. I have one almost exactly like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I think he's LIE. When asked a question, he doesn't "go deep inside his head" for the answer, like an introvert would do. He just replies.

    Furthermore, he got into his mafia life to help out his dad and "to make money." Making money is the raison d'etre of LIE's. It is the only thing I can point to in my own life for doing anything, major or minor.

    Also, that shiny violet shirt. Lol. I have one almost exactly like that.
    Could you explain the LIE attraction to money? Why channel your energy into money as opposed to some other source of reward / glory / whatever? Could you ever live happily in a post-scarcity society that doesn't need money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxe View Post
    Could you explain the LIE attraction to money? Why channel your energy into money as opposed to some other source of reward / glory / whatever?
    @xerxe, LIE's have 4D Te and 3D Ni, so we are basically oriented toward creating practical solutions to tomorrow's problems. We have some 2D awareness of the real world, but our ability to VALUE things is 1D Fi.

    In practical terms, this means that we have a very high resolution thinking function which is assisted by an only slightly lower resolution forecasting function. I've talked to many LIE's, and every single one of them sees the future as a multi-branching series of possible paths, one of which can be taken to some destination. If it turns out that, for whatever reason, the destination can't be reached by that chosen path, we have already considered backup paths.

    I mention this to show how nuanced our first two functions are. Our 2D Se is not so nuanced. Perhaps I want to appear more powerful. OK, I can buy a Mercedes. Sort of like using a sledgehammer where a tack hammer should be used. The solutions are lower resolution.

    Our weakest, least developed function is Fi, and it has the lowest resolution. Not 64,000 shades of gray. Just black, or white.

    I have an LIE neighbor who, like me, also parks cars on his lawn for football games. Both of us make thousands of dollars per year from this activity. For him, it's tax-free. I'm older and don't need the money so much, so I report it as income. But, bottom line, it's a chunk of change and worth the time it takes to get it.
    I am fairly nuanced at this work, but my neighbor is 33 years old and if some guy wants to give him $50 to park instead of the $60 that he's asking, instead of negotiating or giving the potential customer a less desirable parking space, my neighbor treats this as a personal affront and screams at the guy to get the fuck off his driveway and go find some other place to park and never fucking come back. It's amazing to watch. He goes ballistic on the guys who push back even a little.

    This is not a virtue. This is having a coarse-grained ability to value humans and their feelings.

    OK, so if you are LIE and you go through life and you really are unable to value things - any things; people, events, culture, objects, anything, because your Fi is retarded - then how do you make decisions? Which destinations are worth working towards, and how can you possibly evaluate them or even distinguish between them if you can't assign a value to each of them?

    The answer, of course, is Money. Everything can be assigned a monetary value. Everything. It might not be a personal value, but LIE's do only black and white personal values. Love forever, or how can I kill this guy and all of his offspring and plow salt into his fields, acid onto his desk to dissolve his DNA traces?

    Money has gradations. It has high resolution. It is a shorthand substitute for value for LIE's. It's not a great substitute, but rather is a working mirror. It is the best that LIE's can do with the hand we were dealt.

    There is a story I heard on NPR about a guy who had a good life. Wife, family, home, good job, and then he got a brain lesion that killed his ability to value anything. Every other part of his brain was untouched. His speech and intelligence and coordination remained the same, but he lost the ability to make decisions. He would go into a grocery store and look at two brands of beans, and he could tell you everything about the beans. Calories, fat content, chemicals, price, weight, everything, but he was unable to decide which brand to buy. He could not assign a "value" to either can, and it is by our sometimes prejudiced and irrational values that we decide what we are going to do. Advertisers know this perfectly well. That's why your brand of toilet paper comes with a large association with babies and motherly love.
    The guy first lost his job, then his wife and family, then his home. He retained perfect knowledge of what was happening, but was unable to do anything about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by xerxe View Post
    Could you ever live happily in a post-scarcity society that doesn't need money?
    That is a really hard question to answer, because I think that the nature of any complex society which deals with other societies, and I'm talking about anything above about fifty people, requires money to survive and advance.

    Here is an example. You don't need money when dealing with family members. You also don't need money when dealing with friends. But money is not just a measure of value or a store of value, it is also a promise to return a favor. You do something for someone that benefits them, and they give you a piece of paper promising to do something for you in the future. That's money. When the future rolls around, you go to them with your IOU money and demand that they do some favor or give you something they own in return for what you did for them.
    The nature of humans is to maintain a balance between favors you do and favors done for you. If you are always doing something for your sister and she does nothing for you in return, there is some resentment. Maybe you write off the debt because she is family. But what about people who are not family? How do you keep track of debts to each other?

    For most primitive societies where everyone knows everyone else, these debts are kept in your head. John helped you fix your roof last year, so this year you help him with his garden.

    But what do you do with strangers who come through town and you know you will never see them again? There are "rules of hospitality" which apply to strangers in most primitive societies, but maybe there are a lot of them his year and their freeloading will overwhelm your resources. That's when money is introduced. Money, and warfare.

    Just because a society discovers some low-cost or free source of life-supporting energy does not mean that they can do without money, unless they can do away with the feeling that that group of people is freeloading on the resources that you need to prosper.

    If I, as an LIE, had any problems living in a society like that (assuming it could really exist, which I doubt), they would arise from my difficulty in finding an alternate way to value everything.
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    ENTJ - Jack London


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    i think she reminds me of someone on the forum but can't put my finger on who that would be

    edit: guess she reminded me of cassandra bankson after all
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    ^I think she shares some valued functions with Scarlett Johansson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    @xerxe, LIE's have 4D Te and 3D Ni, so we are basically oriented toward creating practical solutions to tomorrow's problems. We have some 2D awareness of the real world, but our ability to VALUE things is 1D Fi.

    In practical terms, this means that we have a very high resolution thinking function which is assisted by an only slightly lower resolution forecasting function. I've talked to many LIE's, and every single one of them sees the future as a multi-branching series of possible paths, one of which can be taken to some destination. If it turns out that, for whatever reason, the destination can't be reached by that chosen path, we have already considered backup paths.

    I mention this to show how nuanced our first two functions are. Our 2D Se is not so nuanced. Perhaps I want to appear more powerful. OK, I can buy a Mercedes. Sort of like using a sledgehammer where a tack hammer should be used. The solutions are lower resolution.

    Our weakest, least developed function is Fi, and it has the lowest resolution. Not 64,000 shades of gray. Just black, or white.

    I have an LIE neighbor who, like me, also parks cars on his lawn for football games. Both of us make thousands of dollars per year from this activity. For him, it's tax-free. I'm older and don't need the money so much, so I report it as income. But, bottom line, it's a chunk of change and worth the time it takes to get it.
    I am fairly nuanced at this work, but my neighbor is 33 years old and if some guy wants to give him $50 to park instead of the $60 that he's asking, instead of negotiating or giving the potential customer a less desirable parking space, my neighbor treats this as a personal affront and screams at the guy to get the fuck off his driveway and go find some other place to park and never fucking come back. It's amazing to watch. He goes ballistic on the guys who push back even a little.

    This is not a virtue. This is having a coarse-grained ability to value humans and their feelings.

    OK, so if you are LIE and you go through life and you really are unable to value things - any things; people, events, culture, objects, anything, because your Fi is retarded - then how do you make decisions? Which destinations are worth working towards, and how can you possibly evaluate them or even distinguish between them if you can't assign a value to each of them?

    The answer, of course, is Money. Everything can be assigned a monetary value. Everything. It might not be a personal value, but LIE's do only black and white personal values. Love forever, or how can I kill this guy and all of his offspring and plow salt into his fields, acid onto his desk to dissolve his DNA traces?

    Money has gradations. It has high resolution. It is a shorthand substitute for value for LIE's. It's not a great substitute, but rather is a working mirror. It is the best that LIE's can do with the hand we were dealt.

    There is a story I heard on NPR about a guy who had a good life. Wife, family, home, good job, and then he got a brain lesion that killed his ability to value anything. Every other part of his brain was untouched. His speech and intelligence and coordination remained the same, but he lost the ability to make decisions. He would go into a grocery store and look at two brands of beans, and he could tell you everything about the beans. Calories, fat content, chemicals, price, weight, everything, but he was unable to decide which brand to buy. He could not assign a "value" to either can, and it is by our sometimes prejudiced and irrational values that we decide what we are going to do. Advertisers know this perfectly well. That's why your brand of toilet paper comes with a large association with babies and motherly love.
    The guy first lost his job, then his wife and family, then his home. He retained perfect knowledge of what was happening, but was unable to do anything about it.
    That's really interesting. It would *never* have occurred to me that money could be used as a proxy for ethical feelings and values. I suppose one could say that an undualized LIE (or LSE) is the man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.


    That is a really hard question to answer, because I think that the nature of any complex society which deals with other societies, and I'm talking about anything above about fifty people, requires money to survive and advance.

    Here is an example. You don't need money when dealing with family members. You also don't need money when dealing with friends. But money is not just a measure of value or a store of value, it is also a promise to return a favor. You do something for someone that benefits them, and they give you a piece of paper promising to do something for you in the future. That's money. When the future rolls around, you go to them with your IOU money and demand that they do some favor or give you something they own in return for what you did for them.
    The nature of humans is to maintain a balance between favors you do and favors done for you. If you are always doing something for your sister and she does nothing for you in return, there is some resentment. Maybe you write off the debt because she is family. But what about people who are not family? How do you keep track of debts to each other?

    For most primitive societies where everyone knows everyone else, these debts are kept in your head. John helped you fix your roof last year, so this year you help him with his garden.

    But what do you do with strangers who come through town and you know you will never see them again? There are "rules of hospitality" which apply to strangers in most primitive societies, but maybe there are a lot of them his year and their freeloading will overwhelm your resources. That's when money is introduced. Money, and warfare.

    Just because a society discovers some low-cost or free source of life-supporting energy does not mean that they can do without money, unless they can do away with the feeling that that group of people is freeloading on the resources that you need to prosper.

    If I, as an LIE, had any problems living in a society like that (assuming it could really exist, which I doubt), they would arise from my difficulty in finding an alternate way to value everything.
    I don't know whether a post-scarcity society is possible. Whatever the future holds, many of the people I encounter seem ready to live in societies that elevate non-transactional forms of social interaction — maybe those people aren't LIEs . I'd write more, but I'm kind of burned out at the moment.

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