Gamma Examples

[Adam Strange]

North Pond Hermit


Fe PoLR maximized

I'm gonna go with ILI.

I don’t think that Christopher Thomas Knight is an ILI. I think he’s an SF type. At first, I thought ESI, but after looking at his face in various photos, I now think SEI.

He didn’t plan ahead (no Ni) and never hurt anyone (good ethics) and was able to keep from freezing to death in a Maine winter (high Si).

He had a simple tech job and hated it so much that he preferred living in the woods to going back to work. That’s Alpha, not an ILI.

An ILI who hates people will do a deep dive into technology to find a way to kill everyone without being caught.

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I don’t think that Christopher Thomas Knight is an ILI. I think he’s an SF type. At first, I thought ESI, but after looking at his face in various photos, I now think SEI.

He didn’t plan ahead (no Ni) and never hurt anyone (good ethics) and was able to keep from freezing to death in a Maine winter (high Si).

He had a simple tech job and hated it so much that he preferred living in the woods to going back to work. That’s Alpha, not an ILI.

An ILI who hates people will do a deep dive into technology to find a way to kill everyone without being caught.

Planning ahead isn't related to Ni imo, but to rationality. I also don't think ILI would plan on killing others - through technology or other means. Non-interference seems pretty consistent with an ILI imo.

SFs would alot more...how do I say this - people oriented, even introverts. I also think Chris Knight looks ILI in the first photo you see of him in the video.

I agree that technology is more the realm of ILIs (and NTs in general), but not everyone of the same type or club is interested in the same things. I also think he fled his job because he had to deal with people there, not necessarily because he didn't like technology.

[Adam Strange]

Planning ahead isn't related to Ni imo, but to rationality. I also don't think ILI would plan on killing others - through technology or other means. Non-interference seems pretty consistent with an ILI imo.

SFs would alot more...how do I say this - people oriented, even introverts. I also think Chris Knight looks ILI in the first photo you see of him in the video.

I agree that technology is more the realm of ILIs (and NTs in general), but not everyone of the same type or club is interested in the same things. I also think he fled his job because he had to deal with people there, not necessarily because he didn't like technology.

@Uncle Ave, I wish I could view a video of Knight, but I didn’t find one after a short search.

He just doesn’t look like any of the ILIs that I know. In that one picture, he looks to me like an IEI, but in the others, he looks non-rational.

It’s hard to tell from VI what type he resembles, and since he was diagnosed with a mental illness, his actions are not going to be representative of an easily-discerned sociotype.

Some people are a puzzle to me for years, while other typers “get” them immediately.

[Averroes]

ILI

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

https://youtu.be/y_xA70lWrDs
this looks like a LIE

[Tarnished]

https://youtu.be/y_xA70lWrDs
this looks like a LIE

I think he look like SLE...

[Averroes]

Too much Fe. He’s either an SLE with ADHD or an LIE with an insufferable twitch/wallstreetbets meme persona that he plays up for his videos. I feel like I’m getting blue balls whenever I try to extract useful information from his videos

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

I think he look like SLE...

i thought about it, he does remind me of a LIE, but he really also does look like SLE.
the trials and stability he achieves also seem more SLE than LIE.

[Adam Strange]

i thought about it, he does remind me of a LIE, but he really also does look like SLE.
the trials and stability he achieves also seem more SLE than LIE.

When I watched the first few minutes of Alex's video from the link, I thought he could be LIE. He has a caffeine addiction, like me, and I see an Se-wannabe like LIE, rather than an Se-competent, like an SLE. He's e3 for sure.

I watched his face and I could catch glimpses of ESI, and then I wondered if he might be SEE? He doesn't have the full-on sharp, hard, Te logic that I see in most LIEs, but that doesn't mean he isn't LIE.

I don't have a firm conclusion yet, but I do think he's Gamma, and not SLE.

P.S. The more I think about it, the more he seems SEE to me.

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

When I watched the first few minutes of Alex's video from the link, I thought he could be LIE. He has a caffeine addiction, like me, and I see an Se-wannabe like LIE, rather than an Se-competent, like an SLE. He's e3 for sure.

I watched his face and I could catch glimpses of ESI, and then I wondered if he might be SEE? He doesn't have the full-on sharp, hard, Te logic that I see in most LIEs, but that doesn't mean he isn't LIE.

I don't have a firm conclusion yet, but I do think he's Gamma, and not SLE.

P.S. The more I think about it, the more he seems SEE to me.

u may actually be right. all male SEEs i recall are rather thick, while he's very thin. this threw me off. im saying this now

bc his expression here and in other pics reminds me strongly of IEE.

[Adam Strange]

u may actually be right. all male SEEs i recall are rather thick, while he's very thin. this threw me off. im saying this now

bc his expression here and in other pics reminds me strongly of IEE.

Yes, @VewyScawwyNawcissist, his facial expression in the above picture that you posted seems to say "Hey, are you believing this BS that I'm laying down? 'Cause if not, I'm e7 running away.", which is much more SLE or SEE or, possibly, IEE, than LIE. I just don't see much Te in his face so far.

When an LIE looks at you, they aren't asking you if you believe their BS. They are questioning whether or not you are BSing them.

One caveat; I've only seen a very small amount of Alex, and these are only my first impressions. With more data, I could very well find that I'm wrong about his type.

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

SEEs are the kind of ppl who claim authority over doing something before u there fore no one else is allowed to except for wheover they allow. intellectual property over something stupid that also manifests as tribalism. entitled because he was born first.
https://youtu.be/8IELCSP-qRU
https://youtu.be/_0wiZmnRuuM
sacrifices authenticity for productivity. this is a pattern with xEE and Te HA.
i related to SEEs a lot during high school about some things. being punisehd for using her phone or scolded for missing classes despite that not soliticing such reactions and being irrelevant.
OTOH i disliked their tendency to split and pick fights bc dog eat dog. example is jake paul's partying upsetting neighbors that i cant exactly blame him for, just like that girl talking in class, upsetting the ESI who didnt want to move himself from HIS seat to avoid her. I liked that ESI too but i didnt understand his problem here. its always upset me when ppl fight like that for seemingly no reason and gamma SFs are the champions of that, along with beta ST.
SxE have that thing where "everyone hated me and told me i wouldnt amount to anything" that contrasts to IxI. it often turns out the ones who wouldnt amount to anything make the most while the latter are a dissapointment.
https://youtu.be/1SijELJNfrI

perhaps being obnoxious is related to boredom and overwork stress. i dont actually find them obnoxious but thats how SEE have often been refered to. like IEEs. until they start talking shit where it doesnt belong, try to control and pick a fight for no reason.

[Averroes]

Type?

[Adam Strange]

Type?

She's not ESI. I don't think I could spend five minutes in a room with her. (Coincidentally, I just checked, and I stopped that video at the 4:57 mark.) I get Alpha Space-Alien vibes from her. (No offense, Alphas. Just saying.) I think she has Fe out the wazoo, and I specifically get LII (my sister) vibes from her. She's extroverted and she's criticizing the real estate agents for being socially and environmentally tone-deaf, so I'm going with ESE.

I've been staring at that image of her above, and I just realized that she looks a lot like my LSE sister did when she was younger. Not exactly, but that same sort of open, bland expression. As if she were saying "See the surface of objects? It's so obvious." Maybe its the ESxj they share.

Incidentally, as I was watching her face, she had a Scarlett Johansson microexpression moment. I've suspected Johansson of being Alpha for a long time. Johansson might not be ESE because shared values exist throughout a Quadra, but I think they are both Alphas.

[crazymaisy]

If Alex is a SEE I'd ... he doesn't seem SEE to me. I can't stand him. He's going on and on about stress and it's him, not the coffee doing it!

[Adam Strange]

If Alex is a SEE I'd ... he doesn't seem SEE to me. I can't stand him. He's going on and on about stress and it's him, not the coffee doing it!

@crazymaisy, I sent you a PM with a picture of an SEE whom I know. Let me know what you think.

[crazymaisy]

@crazymaisy, I sent you a PM with a picture of an SEE whom I know. Let me know what you think.

I sent a pm reply

But yeah, oh, yeah.

[crazymaisy]

SEE eyes are soft and welcoming and genuinely saying "believe me, I'm me". Sucks me in.

SLE eyes are piercing. My third child is SLE. Semi-dual, that piercing look goes deep, and gets me too.

The two things Alex is not.

[Adam Strange]

SEE eyes are soft and welcoming and genuinely saying "believe me, I'm me". Sucks me in.

SLE eyes are piercing. My third child is SLE. Semi-dual, that piercing look goes deep, and gets me too.

The two things Alex is not.

Yeah, @crazymaisy, I agree with you. I retract my vote for Alex as SEE.

I arrived at it by a process of elimination, but I now think I was wrong.

Maybe Alex is just mental.

[Tarnished]

I watch his video now. I see Te alot here??


Not the right thread, but what this girl's type? Fe lead? I think Ni-Se quadra (both of them)

[Tarnished]

Type?

I dislike her just by the aura lol

[End]

SEE eyes are soft and welcoming and genuinely saying "believe me, I'm me". Sucks me in.

SLE eyes are piercing. My third child is SLE. Semi-dual, that piercing look goes deep, and gets me too.

The two things Alex is not.

You've actually made me more confident in my typing of my younger brother as an SEE and his wife as an IEI with this. His eyes really do take on that quality when he gets earnest in a conversation. Likewise, among other things, that same look really gets her going, but while it sucks her in it subtly isn't the "entirety" of what she wants. It's "close enough" as it were but he's an SEE not an SLE. Might have a relationship with her being a psychology major, her being a social worker, and the fact that she (like most everyone else in the modern world) has unresolved attachment issues.

I've fed him my research material in regard to attachment issues and he has but only recently started to consume them. It has already produced the positive results that I hoped for. The next hurdle is getting his IEI wife through it as she has the issues rather badly and her major predisposes her towards labeling me a charlatan. My brother is lucky insofar as his are largely resolved and I was lucky that was the case in turn. My initial attempts to "open up" were with him and he responded in a way unique to an SEE. He was/is a "lavish emperor" simply gifting a caravan of riches upon his most treasured and loyal vizier. I nutted up and told him I wanted more of his attentions and he immediately gave them to me without a second thought.

I did notice one potentially troubling thing here. Third child you say? If I was a woman I'd be proud of that but if this isn't in the context of a monogamous and happy marriage, well, I'm really screwing this shit up. The kids need a daddy. A really kind, warm, energetic and wonderful daddy. Y'know, a healthy in the ego block kind of daddy. I've mentioned Attachment issues elsewhere and if you have them you need fix them else you and your children will never find the deep and abiding happiness we all seek.

You're a girl/mother so I'm pretty sure you get this on a very deep level. Even if you are literally a perfect mother (and as us ILI's are won't to do I'm assuming the worst possible circumstances/possibilities)... you're still but one half of a fully functional family unit. Same goes if we inverse the genders. A perfect father is still but one half of an ultimately broken family. Way, way better than a fully destroyed/broken family, but still not anywhere close to the ideal. Heh, pretty sure this whole rant is pretty exemplary of Gamma logic...

[Tarnished]

SEE - Fi:
Compare to Delta NF - they look alot more harmless and innocent: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/po...20210806104639

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

u may actually be right. all male SEEs i recall are rather thick, while he's very thin. this threw me off. im saying this now

bc his expression here and in other pics reminds me strongly of IEE.

i now think he is ILE. he has the repetitive voice like the ESE here and Emma Langevin i posted before. those are shifty ILE eyes.

[Tarnished]

i now think he is ILE. he has the repetitive voice like the ESE here and Emma Langevin i posted before. those are shifty ILE eyes.

Maybe true. His eye scream Fe but not so strong. Also talking alot about coffee shit look like a Si valuer.

[Armitage]

I've fed him my research material in regard to attachment issues and he has but only recently started to consume them. It has already produced the positive results that I hoped for. The next hurdle is getting his IEI wife through it as she has the issues rather badly and her major predisposes her towards labeling me a charlatan.

Then send her this scientific e-book on Intimate Relationships that also discusses attachment issues, amongst other topics: https://www.mog.dog/files/Intimate%2...d%20Miller.pdf
The 9th version is newer, but this 7th version is free online.

Even if you are literally a perfect mother (and as us ILI's are won't to do I'm assuming the worst possible circumstances/possibilities)... you're still but one half of a fully functional family unit. Same goes if we inverse the genders. A perfect father is still but one half of an ultimately broken family. Way, way better than a fully destroyed/broken family, but still not anywhere close to the ideal. Heh, pretty sure this whole rant is pretty exemplary of Gamma logic...

I get the point that you're trying to make, yet research has showed that a single-parent household can also raise their children well, if their finances allow it. However, a two-parent family in which one parent is designated to solely care for the children, that actually is a bit dysfunctional, because the whole parent-child and parent-parent relationship functions better if the other parent is also involved. Ideally, child-rearing would be distributed equally amongst the parents.

[crazymaisy]

You've actually made me more confident in my typing of my younger brother as an SEE and his wife as an IEI with this. His eyes really do take on that quality when he gets earnest in a conversation. Likewise, among other things, that same look really gets her going, but while it sucks her in it subtly isn't the "entirety" of what she wants. It's "close enough" as it were but he's an SEE not an SLE. Might have a relationship with her being a psychology major, her being a social worker, and the fact that she (like most everyone else in the modern world) has unresolved attachment issues.

I've fed him my research material in regard to attachment issues and he has but only recently started to consume them. It has already produced the positive results that I hoped for. The next hurdle is getting his IEI wife through it as she has the issues rather badly and her major predisposes her towards labeling me a charlatan. My brother is lucky insofar as his are largely resolved and I was lucky that was the case in turn. My initial attempts to "open up" were with him and he responded in a way unique to an SEE. He was/is a "lavish emperor" simply gifting a caravan of riches upon his most treasured and loyal vizier. I nutted up and told him I wanted more of his attentions and he immediately gave them to me without a second thought.

I did notice one potentially troubling thing here. Third child you say? If I was a woman I'd be proud of that but if this isn't in the context of a monogamous and happy marriage, well, I'm really screwing this shit up. The kids need a daddy. A really kind, warm, energetic and wonderful daddy. Y'know, a healthy in the ego block kind of daddy. I've mentioned Attachment issues elsewhere and if you have them you need fix them else you and your children will never find the deep and abiding happiness we all seek.

You're a girl/mother so I'm pretty sure you get this on a very deep level. Even if you are literally a perfect mother (and as us ILI's are won't to do I'm assuming the worst possible circumstances/possibilities)... you're still but one half of a fully functional family unit. Same goes if we inverse the genders. A perfect father is still but one half of an ultimately broken family. Way, way better than a fully destroyed/broken family, but still not anywhere close to the ideal. Heh, pretty sure this whole rant is pretty exemplary of Gamma logic...

My SEE hubby and our 4 children. LOL Children need a mama and a poppa.

My SEE hubby lavishly gifts .... not just me, our children at times, and other people he knows. Recently some conversation was going on and he said something about lavishly gifting me, and I said, "I don't feel like you have" and he said "I'll have to rectify that!" Full of positive energy. [My inner thoughts: "tone it down! Don't go spending so much!"] I have read the Love Language books ... not only do I have that great PoLR, but my Love Language is "Receiving Gifts" I like well thought out gifts, not this: "it's the thought that counts" no, just done right. Effort rewards a big excited "Thank You" and SEEs love that. I try to make him find the good deals, don't buy the most expensive, the middling thing is what I like. Training is possible.

When relatives would give our kids money for Christmas, we'd go to a store with them, and they'd pick things out, then at the register he'd say "I'll pay for that" so they hardly ever had to actually spend their money. Not a good lesson for life. Frequent enough.

1. male ILI, he's the one I talked about in the other thread about no goals.

2. female IEI, she doesn't believe in personality anything. Doubts it, argues it if I mention anything. (You are a charlatan, believe her LOL, my daughter thinks I'm a fool.)

3. male SLE, the best at everything. Just bleeping ... yeah. He and his sister have what I refer to as "The Beta Club" They have a really a great dual relationship.

4. male ILE/SEE <---- That's my last baby. He has been sweet and wonderful sometimes and the worst person to get along with most of the time. He is 14 now, and yes, big expressive eyes, but ILE seems to be his socionics typing, and if I had a goal before, it's out the window, seeing Alex videos, please you cannot ever become like that, a plague on society!

Order of Society
1. Birth
2. Marry
3. Children
4. Death

When the above isn't how MOST people exist, everything breaks down.

[Rusal]

Kim Dotcom maybe ILI

[Subteigh]

Zara Rutherford - I think maybe LIE. I think an extroverted type would be more likely to do such a voyage, and her interests are what you would expect of the NT club. After LIE, I'd consider ILI then LII, but those suggestions would probably seem absurd to many others.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-59899980

https://flyzolo.com/about-me/

[Sanguine Miasma]

Hans Reiser a former Linux kernel developer and a convicted murderer.


ILI seems right.

[Tarnished]

Hans Reiser a former Linux kernel developer and a convicted murderer.


ILI seems right.

Just found his wife's pictures and she look like IEE lol

[Adam Strange]

Reiser seems like an insane SEE to me. He’s incredibly self-centered and manipulative.

He could be an ILI, because Duals can look a lot alike, but he seems far too insane to type reliably.

As for his wife, I couldn’t get a handle on her type, either. All I could see was the love she was projecting onto him in the early images, followed by pictures in which she was starting to hate him.

This somehow reminded me of a male ILI - female ESI married couple that I know. (One of many.)
The ILI is starting to complain about being forced to do unwise things by his ESI wife, and she’s beginning to see that what had seemed to be a smooth path has a lot of bricks in it.

[Tarnished]

Anna look like what a SEE scammer should look like.

[Tarnished]

Anna look like what a SEE scammer should look like.

She get a Netflix miniseries right now, and another one as I remmember. Beside 2 years in jail, she lost nothing, even has more money. She's a genius lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65xa8TG2G8o

[Subteigh]

Rishi Sunak - maybe LIE

[Alive]

Kim Dotcom maybe ILI

some of his facial expressions remind me of quentin tarantino somehow. mb IEI

[Adam Strange]

some of his facial expressions remind me of quentin tarantino somehow. mb IEI

Tarantino is IEE, and Kim Dotcom looks a lot like an LSE (Delta extrovert) to me, so he could easily be IEE.

[Alive]

Tarantino is IEE, and Kim Dotcom looks a lot like an LSE (Delta extrovert) to me, so he could easily be IEE.

nah, tarantino is a lyric. don't care much about dotcom but thought the visual similarities were very interesting.

[lynn]

Sam Zeloof - LIE

[Robert Dane Horlock]

ESI

Explains why I can't stand his music or anything about him.