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    Quote Originally Posted by ergot View Post
    I think Andy Goldsworthy has creative , may be ESI?





    I really like this dude. I hope he is ESI.
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    Limor Fried - LIE



    This exemplifies Ej temperament Te+Fe.
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    @COVID 007 She looks Ne/Si and probably ethical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surreal View Post
    @COVID 007 She looks Ne/Si and probably ethical.
    Why? I think result rational extroverts are prone to this sort of verbal diarrhea (ESE and LIE also ESI and LII sees that as positive quality). Just ask @nanashi. She is pioneering around engineering and delivery while not being cheap (another point against process types) I think LIE fits. Original Lady Ada was probably ILE or ILI.

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    @COVID 007
    She is much more focused on the objective potentialities deprived from her projects, rather than her subjective vision in regards to the nature of her company. Of course, LIEs have 4d Ne but they generally don't focus on it when it comes to major life goals.
    Her company also has very strong ethical and communal undertones, which I associate more with the Delta Quadra. I generally don't think of gammas as being communally oriented, especially within her age bracket. Bill gates is an exception, but he is much older, and going through another phase in life. People generally act according to the values of their age brackets (Ex. children act like alphas, and teens act like betas, etc), and Limor is more of an emerging adult.
    I think IEE with an EJ accent works best for her.

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    @Surreal I think she shows what democratic communication style really is. Open. Something that alpha and gamma can do very well when pressed.

    Her Te is clearly very good handling all that logistics and so on tirelessly. Very Ej.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surreal View Post
    @COVID 007
    She is much more focused on the objective potentialities deprived from her projects, rather than her subjective vision in regards to the nature of her company. Of course, LIEs have 4d Ne but they generally don't focus on it when it comes to major life goals.
    Her company also has very strong ethical and communal undertones, which I associate more with the Delta Quadra. I generally don't think of gammas as being communally oriented, especially within her age bracket. Bill gates is an exception, but he is much older, and going through another phase in life. People generally act according to the values of their age brackets (Ex. children act like alphas, and teens act like betas, etc), and Limor is more of an emerging adult.
    I think IEE with an EJ accent works best for her.
    We are incredibly community oriented. We are known for designing enormous systems...and for self-sacrifice for the greater good
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    Quote Originally Posted by nanashi View Post
    We are incredibly community oriented. We are known for designing enormous systems...and for self-sacrifice for the greater good
    Oh shi..



    Quote Originally Posted by COVID 007 View Post
    @Surreal I think she shows what democratic communication style really is. Open. Something that alpha and gamma can do very well when pressed.

    Her Te is clearly very good handling all that logistics and so on tirelessly. Very Ej.
    You forgot the hot neon-pink hair signalling that she is a dangerous mushroom to eat..
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    @COVID 007
    Can you please elaborate? I have a hard time seeing democratic/aristocratic styles in this video.
    Also, I don't think LIEs are the only type that can do business, and I'm not doubting her abilities as an entrepreneur. Her business sounds extremely unique and profitable, and Limor is very intelligent. Also, I know I'm using heuristics, but she just comes across more as an IEE maniac pixie dream girl rather than a logically rigid and vision-oriented businesswoman.
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    Alpha: "be like everyone else, but don't fight for status"
    Ne/Si > To achieve all human potentialities through a safe and comfortable environment
    Ti/Fe >Making judgements using a collectivistic framework grounded in abstract universal principles

    Beta: "be like everyone else, but be better than others"
    Ni/Se > To achieve a singular idealistic vision through power and force
    Ti/Fe >Making judgements using a collectivistic framework grounded in abstract universal principles

    Gamma: "be yourself, but be better than others"
    Te/Fi > Making judgements using an individualistic framework, emphasizing the optimization of desirable results for each individual
    Ni/Se > To achieve a singular idealistic vision through power and force

    Delta: "be yourself, but don't fight for status'
    Ne/Si > To achieve all human potentialities through a safe and comfortable environment
    Te/Fi > Making judgements using an individualistic framework, emphasizing the optimization of desirable results for each individual

    Because of the Se/Ni orientation, I generally think of gammas as taking an individualistic approach in order to acquire status and achieve their dreams. Se/Ni valuers generally see the world as hierarchical like a zero sum game, while Fi/Te valuers focus on individuals instead of the collective. This leads to a worldview that emphasizes achieving personal goals instead of collective ones. Of course, gammas have people that they care about, but it's generally reserved for loved ones, and people close to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surreal View Post
    @COVID 007
    Can you please elaborate? I have a hard time seeing democratic/aristocratic styles in this video.
    Also, I don't think LIEs are the only type that can do business, and I'm not doubting her abilities as an entrepreneur. Her business sounds extremely unique and profitable, and Limor is very intelligent. Also, I know I'm using heuristics, but she just comes across more as an IEE maniac pixie dream girl rather than a logically rigid and vision-oriented businesswoman.
    @nanashi
    Alpha: "be like everyone else, but don't fight for status"
    Ne/Si > To achieve all human potentialities through a safe and comfortable environment
    Ti/Fe >Making judgements using a collectivistic framework grounded in abstract universal principles

    Beta: "be like everyone else, but be better than others"
    Ni/Se > To achieve a singular idealistic vision through power and force
    Ti/Fe >Making judgements using a collectivistic framework grounded in abstract universal principles

    Gamma: "be yourself, but be better than others"
    Te/Fi > Making judgements using an individualistic framework, emphasizing the optimization of desirable results for each individual
    Ni/Se > To achieve a singular idealistic vision through power and force

    Delta: "be yourself, but don't fight for status'
    Ne/Si > To achieve all human potentialities through a safe and comfortable environment
    Te/Fi > Making judgements using an individualistic framework, emphasizing the optimization of desirable results for each individual

    Because of the Se/Ni orientation, I generally think of gammas as taking an individualistic approach in order to acquire status and achieve their dreams. Se/Ni valuers generally see the world as hierarchical like a zero sum game, while Fi/Te valuers focus on individuals instead of the collective. This leads to a worldview that emphasizes achieving personal goals instead of collective ones. Of course, gammas have people that they care about, but it's generally reserved for loved ones, and people close to them.


    On the contrary "Gamma types take a longer-term view regarding efficiency and profitability, giving lower priority to the short term. Likewise, they tend to aim at the broader benefits of decisions, rather than only at those affecting themselves, giving them an inclination for self-sacrifice."
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    @nanashi
    Yes, for themselves and their loved ones. Not for society as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surreal View Post

    Gamma: "be yourself, but be better than others"
    Te/Fi > Making judgements using an individualistic framework, emphasizing the optimization of desirable results for each individual
    Ni/Se > To achieve a singular idealistic vision through power and force

    Because of the Se/Ni orientation, I generally think of gammas as taking an individualistic approach in order to acquire status and achieve their dreams. Se/Ni valuers generally see the world as hierarchical like a zero sum game, while Fi/Te valuers focus on individuals instead of the collective. This leads to a worldview that emphasizes achieving personal goals instead of collective ones. Of course, gammas have people that they care about, but it's generally reserved for loved ones, and people close to them.
    Yeah, this sounds like me.

    Quote Originally Posted by nanashi View Post
    On the contrary "Gamma types take a longer-term view regarding efficiency and profitability, giving lower priority to the short term. Likewise, they tend to aim at the broader benefits of decisions, rather than only at those affecting themselves, giving them an inclination for self-sacrifice."
    That sounds E2: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-2 E2 disintegrates to E8, so they are more 8-ish under stress.

    Idk, I help ppl, but its always begrudgingly, unless I know the person well and like them. To me ppl who can't help themselves just seem weak and that is annoying.. I just perceive it as wasted time and effort better spent elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surreal View Post
    @nanashi
    Yes, for themselves and their loved ones. Not for society as a whole.
    on the contrary, I sacrifice like nobody's business for people I don't know.
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    not giving a shit about my species is like letting my sources of growth, survival, companionship, education, interesting work, entertainment, raison d'etre, and beauty die off. it's functional, useful, etc, to see them as assets

    without their momentum, needs, insights, existence can be pretty boring to me.
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    @nanashi
    Maybe that's just u when. Not all LIEs are the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surreal View Post
    @nanashi
    Maybe that's just u when. Not all LIEs are the same.
    the statement against us was sweeping
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surreal View Post
    @nanashi
    Yes, for themselves and their loved ones. Not for society as a whole.
    'She is restless, therefore the best rest for LIE is a great, grandiose, noble matter costing to devote to it the whole life.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post
    Paul Waggener - ENTJ Jack
    I thought SLE beta, but if you say he is LIE, then he is my kind of LIE. *thumbsup*
    Him and Marcus Follin are people I look up to.

    To me he seems like type sx/so 6 CP with an 8 fix. How he thinks in a lot of ways is very similar to my own thought processes.
    A 6 like me would train as a precautionary measure "just in case" as well as a method to deal with the physical side effects of anxiety, fear and anger. (the whole reason I decided to tbh)
    His view of the world and personal philosophy is also very similar to how I came to see things in the last 6 years.

    He does seem more impulsive tho, so imo different socionics types in the end.

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    @shotgunfingers

    He's definitely not SLE. There is no way. There is no / in what he talks about. He is an intuitve subtype of LIE. I can go more into why if you'd like but I need to assemble my thoughts first.

    I thought he was an 8 in enneagram, but 6 works too. He probably has both fixes.

    I never looked at training that way, I admit. I see it as more of a way to look good and overcome challenges. It has en edgy appeal to me that is hard to explian though - when I say look good, I don't mean be obsessed with how others see me like an instagram model though. It's not conforming to society's standards to me, since society values six packs and muscle definition more than anything else. I'm going off on a tangent now though. I hear you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post
    @shotgunfingers

    He's definitely not SLE. There is no way. There is no / in what he talks about. He is an intuitve subtype of LIE. I can go more into why if you'd like but I need to assemble my thoughts first.

    I thought he was an 8 in enneagram, but 6 works too. He probably has both fixes.

    I never looked at training that way, I admit. I see it as more of a way to look good and overcome challenges. It has en edgy appeal to me that is hard to explian though - when I say look good, I don't mean be obsessed with how others see me like an instagram model though. It's not conforming to society's standards to me, since society values six packs and muscle definition more than anything else. I'm going off on a tangent now though. I hear you.
    He could still be an 8, I just see a lot of 6 in him, things I relate to. If this is Gamma, then I'm gamma as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    If this is Gamma, then I'm gamma as well.
    Gammas, like members of any quadra, don't necessarily live up to the role defined by stereotypes. This forum has been focusing heavily on stereotypes lately. This is not aimed at anyone. But gamma isn't just a meaningless chase for money and profit.


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    the girl is Ne
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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    I thought SLE beta, but if you say he is LIE, then he is my kind of LIE. *thumbsup*
    Him and Marcus Follin are people I look up to.

    To me he seems like type sx/so 6 CP with an 8 fix. How he thinks in a lot of ways is very similar to my own thought processes.
    A 6 like me would train as a precautionary measure "just in case" as well as a method to deal with the physical side effects of anxiety, fear and anger. (the whole reason I decided to tbh)
    His view of the world and personal philosophy is also very similar to how I came to see things in the last 6 years.

    He does seem more impulsive tho, so imo different socionics types in the end.

    he is ILE in beta territory , He want Si. maybe you are IEE


    ILE (Don Quixote)

    The intuitive-logical extrovert - Don Quixote (Ne,Ti)
    Function #4 – subjective sensing (Si): my feelings. "A good place is a place where I feel good". Suggestion through subjective sensing is possible through the use of a Don Quixote's hypochondria. When a Don Quixote’s health is mentioned, he begins to think about it a lot and seems to find various new disorders in his body. Correctly approached these people are the easiest to treat because they trust other people’s opinion in the issues of health. The fourth function is the knowledge of other people. And a Don Quixote relies on other people’s knowledge in the area of health. People of this type have wild imagination and often imagine they have an illness which in reality they do not have, then we have a key to treating the imaginary disease. This is widely used by shamans, extrasensory individuals, hypnotists. The effect depends upon downloading correct information in the client’s system of beliefs.

    5. Introverted Sensing

    ILEs need assistance with balancing their inner life and deriving enjoyment from all the things in life around them, and not just their mental activities. ILEs appreciate people with a solid sensory awareness that can help them feel a healthy sense of pleasure from their surroundings.
    The ILE's focus on constantly chasing after new things often leaves him to neglect his physical and psychological well-being. He appreciates pleasant stimuli that help him to "turn off" his active mind for a little while and to find some kind of balance between the mental and physical. An ILE will commonly use some short burst of physical activity to take a break from his interests.

    http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=ILE

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    Jung's Description of the Extraverted Intuitive Type (Ne-dominant)

    ...........
    This attitude has immense dangers -- all too easily the intuitive may squander his life. He spends himself animating men and things, spreading around him an abundance of life -- a life, however, which others live, not he. Were he able to rest with the actual thing, he would gather the fruit of his labours; yet all too soon must he be running after some fresh possibility, quitting his newly planted field, while others reap the harvest. In the end he goes empty away. But when the intuitive lets things reach such a pitch, he also has the unconscious against him. The unconscious of the intuitive has a certain similarity with that of the sensation-type. Thinking and feeling, being relatively repressed, produce infantile and archaic thoughts and feelings in the unconscious, which may be compared [p. 467] with those of the countertype. They likewise come to the surface in the form of intensive projections, and are just as absurd as those of the sensation-type, only to my mind they lack the other's mystical character; they are chiefly concerned with quasi-actual things, in the nature of sexual, financial, and other hazards, as, for instance, suspicions of approaching illness. This difference appears to be due to a repression of the sensations of actual things. These latter usually command attention in the shape of a sudden entanglement with a most unsuitable woman, or, in the case of a woman, with a thoroughly unsuitable man; and this is simply the result of their unwitting contact with the sphere of archaic sensations. But its consequence is an unconsciously compelling tie to an object of incontestable futility. Such an event is already a compulsive symptom, which is also thoroughly characteristic of this type. In common with the sensation-type, he claims a similar freedom and exemption from all restraint, since he suffers no submission of his decisions to rational judgment, relying entirely upon the perception of chance, possibilities. He rids himself of the restrictions of reason, only to fall a victim to unconscious neurotic compulsions in the form of oversubtle, negative reasoning, hair-splitting dialectics, and a compulsive tie to the sensation of the object. His conscious attitude, both to the sensation and the sensed object, is one of sovereign superiority and disregard. Not that he means to be inconsiderate or superior -- he simply does not see the object that everyone else sees; his oblivion is similar to that of the sensation-type -- only, with the latter, the soul of the object is missed. For this oblivion the object sooner or later takes revenge in the form of hypochondriacal, compulsive ideas, phobias, and every imaginable kind of absurd bodily sensation. [p. 468]

    https://www.personalitycafe.com/thre...ominant.95613/

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    the problem SLE and SEE have is drinking problem. they want experience Ni but unable to produce it. so they use alcohol

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    nice post. yeah i need to work out now.

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    look same problem (Chris Pratt ENFp(IEE)Delta)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post
    Paul Waggener - ENTJ Jack

    I just gave this type of speech almost verbatim (except I didn't blame others, just explained 'I want people to know ...if there's any project they're interested in, we can get it done.' ...same style, etc., during my internship talk with executives on a board. Seems very Ni-Creative
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    Quote Originally Posted by karas View Post
    he is ILE in beta territory , He want Si. maybe you are IEE
    I'm whichever type is the closest to Jung's "Magician" archetype.
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    “The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by karas View Post
    he is ILE in beta territory , He want Si. maybe you are IEE
    How do you get that?

    Everything he says is about willpower, achieving goals, initiative, not settling for comfort or easiness in life...there couldn't be a bigger 'fuck you' to than Paul Waggener.


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    Ursula von der Leyen - INTP Balyac


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