May I just say that *I* have been personally manipulated by Joy. There's your proof. Right there. In this post that you are currently reading.Originally Posted by Maritsa33
May I just say that *I* have been personally manipulated by Joy. There's your proof. Right there. In this post that you are currently reading.
I applaud your bravery in stepping forward, Br'er Sir.
Way too hurt my feelings
LOL. Nice to make your acquaintance, Sir Person I Don't Know.
LOL, Joy.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Nice to make your acquaintance as well.
perhaps I shall have the pleasure of manipulating you once again in the future
If this is meant as some not-so-subtle suggestion that I find Joy intimidating, then you're gravely mistaken.
It's true that Joy has a dominating personality, but it's a scale. On several occasions, she complained to me and to others that I am too dominating and intense. She didn't like that at all, and it made her react passive-aggressively. If anything, she is intimidated by me. I practically always was able to gain control of a given situation when I wanted to. I simply override her. If she and I were having a spoken discussion in public, you'd all see how quickly I put her on the defensive. It happens within seconds. And I don't do it to be mean, it just happens on its own.
Don't mistake the lack of willingness to bicker over petty shit for weakness. I tend to think it's quite the opposite.
I tend to agree with that. Being petty is for people trying to score points in a weird egotistical game.
Yup, similar ro what Starfall said.
That's definitely a personal interpretation. She comes across as a white trash bullshitter that poisons everyone's socionics understanding, and manages to spread false information via manipulation. Life is not always a game of power. Just see what she's doing in these last three posts - evasive, manipulative answers that roundaboutly use other people's perceived support. She is a disgrace to the human race.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
FDG, I have no problem with you in general, but YOU are the poison when it comes to threads about and including Joy. Just stay away if you dislike her.
IEI-Fe 4w3
Lol no way. I will keep on doing this. I don't care about other people in this setting (Joy's threads).
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
lol, k. what a waste of your time.
IEI-Fe 4w3
You know, you can look at my join date there and such, and say that I don't know what's going on, but FDG is right. Just looking at the posts in this thread alone it's easy to see that she IS manipulative. She's taking every opportunity to get support behind her, and influence perceptions. Reading old threads too, you can see how she'll take other people's posts or comments, quote them and put her own spin on it to show how they are supporting her.
It's similar to what Maritsa does when she does things like quotes me and sets me up as an example of LSI to prove other people are not. It's a tactic used to create an illusion.
I don't think Joy comes across as powerful, although she would like to. I don't care what she would like to imagine herself to be, but there's no reason anyone else should buy the act.
I fully support whatever in the mixed up hell is going on here.
Nice try.
Haha, Se got out of the container.
fine, so don't! I'm just saying that the attacks are getting old. I dunno why FDG doesn't just put her on ignore. *shrug*
IEI-Fe 4w3
Cause he likes having an enemy.
I'm not trying to rally support. What would I need support for? I just prefer to enjoy my interactions with people and prefer them to enjoy them as well. If they're dead set on being a miserable ass, nothin I can do about that. That's their problem, not mine. I don't see the world in terms of "friend or foe". There are people I keep my distance from irl because they're psycho and a real threat, like an angry bear, but there's no one here I couldn't be friendly with if they allow it.
Because my posts might be read by someone relatively new, and he/she in turn might be warned not to trust Joy's posts (I'm not talking about squark, I mean really new members).
Oh please, you have been absent from the forum for a long time, you can't be considered a real enemy. I mostly feel like it's my duty to neutralize your potentially bad effects. Plus, I'm not miserable, I'm not whining. I'm actively campaigning against you.Cause he likes having an enemy.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
The fact that Joy posts in these topics at all is solid proof that she is not actually above any of this.
But can you really expect new members to trust you over her if you hurl degrading insults at her?
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
I'm the one who posted these threads to begin with. Is it so strange for me to post in them. I just to to user cp and read new posts in topics I'm subscribed to (unless they're old).
You know that when it was something that actually mattered to me I held my ground no mattered how much you badgered me about it.
Maybe they will, maybe they won't, I won't alter my presentation for my audience, it's not my style. Some opposition will probably be considered as a reminder of fallibility; if it won't for "ethical" (insults) reasons, well, that's their loss.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Yes it's strange to post in a topic where people are trolling you if you think that you're above such squabbles.
Totally irrelevant. If you tried to badger me to light my hand on fire, I wouldn't do it.
this behaviour is bizarre to me. if talking to someone causes you discomfort, don't do it. Goes for everyone here. 7 billion people - there will always be a conversation, lover, or whatever you need out there.
asd
I see Maritsa as manipulative and Joy as not so (I see Joy as more oblivious). I also see Joy as not really knowing exactly how to handle all of this... not as a "powerful" person but as one who wants to see herself as more of one and I feel it all stems back to that Se HA. Maybe there is a kind of pull for others to help verify or validate her current self-image, how E3 of her. But I have no reason to see Joy as one of Satan's agents on Earth. Those are just my thoughts. I'd add that being a strong/healthy person and being a "powerful" person aren't the same thing and I'm not saying anything about being a "weak" person.
I don't think that strength and power are synonymous, but I do think that unhealthiness and weakness are. I am oblivious in a way. I can tell when there's something going on and to an extent what it is, but I can't tell why. Why to people feel the way they do? What are the extent of those feelings? What do they mean? How should I deal with them? Should I even be thinking about this stuff? Ugh.
anyway I may have went too far in trying to state my impressions... and I often feel scattered in my impressions of others... the impressions are subject to quick change at times and I always hate these forum typing things because I feel like it's personally invasive to people and so I feel I shouldn't say any of my unreliable impressions as impressions are like pennies to me they come so easily and are spent so easily. and often times it's at the level of assumptions or unfair views of others who are far deeper pools of which I can only see a bit of the surface, so to try to look deeper is like overstepping things. for this reason i usually keep my thoughts to myself and even stating them at any moment as a freeze frame doesn't mean anything since they change after the frame. anyway i'm saying all of this because i'm sorry if i read anything into you that isn't there (this is really why i make zero comments in most forum member typing threads because i just don't feel right about it usually).
Adhere to common courtesies, and when you inadvertently upset someone, apologize and assure them that it was not your intent to do so.
disscojoe, yeah. obviously I do that stuff. I don't have those types of problems with people. it's not always that simple though. people are sometimes irrationally upset about shit that isn't obvious though, and that's not even the kind of thing I was talking about. I was talking about friendships/relationships, not the more casual/superficial interactions with them and others.
loki, don't worry so much, lol. (: just say what's on your mind.
Loki dont waste your time being conflicted over Joy; her ego warps her words without her knowing or having any control over it, she might never find her type.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
nice image. and, I relate to this too.
IEI-Fe 4w3
Would you like to be the kettle or the pot?
Hello there, handsome... *insecure creepy smile*
Holy asscock, the resemblance is just creepy. However, I've seen even stronger similarities between members of different types. Diana and nanashi, for instance, have the exact same body language when they talk, but are clearly nothing alike. Diana also has a lot of physical similarity with sarinana; their nervous smiles are identical. Very creepy.
Sincerely Yours,
Beyond the clouds. Beyond the sun.
The Rebel without a cause.
y helo tharHello there, handsome... *insecure creepy smile*
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