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    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    Wow, that was so not worth it.
    Yea it does seem a waste of time, I think I'm going to delete my posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz View Post
    Yea it does seem a waste of time, I think I'm going to delete my posts
    Hey, me too! I like you. Let's be friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    Hey, me too! I like you. Let's be friends.
    Yea I over-reacted, lmao

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    Yea I over-reacted, lmao
    Numbers say thread have happy ending.

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    Uh-oh. DJ got his heart broken by a powerful woman and now he's lashing back.

    LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH POWERFUL WOMEN (AND GAY MEN)
    LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WIT POWERFUL WOMEN (AND GAY MEN)
    LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH POWERFUL WOMEN (AND GAY MEN)

    HI-YA!!! DOLPHIN AND TRUCK, ONE POWERFUL GIRL - ONE POWERFUL FAG. NOBODY CAN BREAK THEIR BOND.

    I'M SO SORRY JOY CAN'T BE YOUR MOTHER:


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    I don't respond to flaming because I don't feed trolls. They're either people I decided long ago have nothing of any value to offer me or people I don't even know. In either case, it's a waste of time and energy. And they're just making themselves look like assholes. The only ones who ever say anything that I actually sorta learn from are b&d and crazedrat. Everyone else I just entirely ignore, at least while they're trolling. I decided today though that I ought to look out for my best interests as though I'm someone I care about... I wouldn't tolerate it if someone talked that way to one of my loved ones, after all. I think the reason I put up with abuse is mostly because I don't like to think of myself as or be vulnerable. I guess the bottom line is that from this point forward I'm going to report or in the very least put the trolls on ignore.

    So to the trolls: One way or another, I'm not going to be seeing your hostility anymore. All your doing by posting it from this point forward is making people who have nothing to do with me (at least in many cases) uncomfortable. In other words, you're being a dick to a bunch of people, but not me.
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    LOL b&d <3

    I hadn't seen your post yet when I typed out mine. I didn't mean to imply that you're a troll, btw... was just saying that when you do criticize I find it constructive. (:
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    I really don't think that SLE is your type. You read fiction right? No offense to any avid fiction readers, but it's not the most practical thing to read. SLE are about what's practical. My mother who is an SLE hates reading but she does it if she believes that the material can get her ahead in life. I have never seen her pick up anything but a non-fiction book or article. She's a realtor and she likes books like See You at the Top by Zig Ziglar and Total Money Makeover by Dave Ramsey. Another SLE that I know has told me straight up that he hates to read anything. He loses focus and gets distracted. The impatience for reading is something that I've witnessed to be common among the SLEs that I've met. They definitely have the smartness to read and comprehend, but they just feel like it's a waste of time if it doesn't serve a practical purpose for the moment that they are in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe View Post
    First, I want to obnoxiously point out that you misused the word mutual. Two people cannot have mutual friends, since that doesn't make sense. What they have are common friends, or friends in common. Something is mutual if it is reciprocated. For instance, if you like someone and they like you, the feeling is mutual. If you make a deal with someone that benefits you both, the gain is mutual.
    you're retarded.

    mutual |ˈmyoō ch oōəl|
    adjective
    1 (of a feeling or action) experienced or done by each of two or more parties toward the other or others : a partnership based on mutual respect and understanding | my father hated him from the start, and the feeling was mutual.
    • (of two or more people) having the same specified relationship to each other : they were mutual beneficiaries of the settlement.
    2 held in common by two or more parties : we were introduced by a mutual friend.
    • denoting an insurance company or other corporate organization owned by its members and dividing some or all of its profits between them.

    - New Oxford American Dictionary

    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow View Post
    Everything happens for a reason. This whole forum is where we all were meant to end up. We're here learning something.. Something is happening here. I may have no idea for what purpose. I can tell you I know wayyy more about metaphysics than anyone I'm likely to ever meet. Also Im not a huge dick anymore.. not like I used to be.
    Im pretty sure all the frequent forum members have changed in some way because of this forum.
    i've been watching Lost (on season 4 now) and i have to say i really hope this forum isn't an island
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

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    Joy I'm sorry but I still see you as HA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Uh-oh. DJ got his heart broken by a powerful woman and now he's lashing back.

    I'M SO SORRY JOY CAN'T BE YOUR MOTHER:
    Stop projecting your weird values onto everyone.

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    you're retarded.

    mutual |ˈmyoō ch oōəl|
    adjective
    1 (of a feeling or action) experienced or done by each of two or more parties toward the other or others : a partnership based on mutual respect and understanding | my father hated him from the start, and the feeling was mutual.
    • (of two or more people) having the same specified relationship to each other : they were mutual beneficiaries of the settlement.
    2 held in common by two or more parties : we were introduced by a mutual friend.
    • denoting an insurance company or other corporate organization owned by its members and dividing some or all of its profits between them.

    - New Oxford American Dictionary
    You went to public school, didn't you? That would explain why you don't understand English and are oblivious to the actual meaning and roots of its words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borderline View Post
    i've been watching Lost (on season 4 now) and i have to say i really hope this forum isn't an island
    Jin and Sun drown in a submarine.

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    okay discojoe, the dictionary is wrong because i went to public school
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe View Post
    Jin and Sun drown in a submarine.
    i loathe you
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

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    DJ, what makes you think that you have more authority over English than its most respected current dictionaries and guides? Mutual friends is a well-established and accepted term, as are others constructed like it. You are the one who sounds very "public school" (rather, eighth-grade public-school English teacher overdue for retirement) by insisting on a strange bugbear approach to using a word.

    Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage treats this issue in some detail:

    It has long been the practice of usage writers to condemn the use of mutual in the senses "shared in common" and "joint" because, they maintain, mutual must include the notion of reciprocity. The basis for this long-lived criticism goes back to two sources in the 18th century. The first of these is Samuel Johnson's 1755 Dictionary, which gave only one definition, "reciprocal." Fitzedward Hall 1873 points out that this is an error on Johnson's part; the first quotation under mutual is from Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice (1597) and is for the "common" sense. Johnson simply missed the meaning, and his omission is what we may call the passive 18th-century source.

    The active 18th-century source is Baker 1770. Baker claimed never to have seen Johnson's dictionary before writing his book, so he must have developed his opinion independently or gotten it from some identified source. Baker insists on the "reciprocal" sense and objects to expressions like "our mutual benefactor" and "our mutual friend"; although he gives no actual citations of such use, he says that many writers use such expressions. He prescribes common as correct in such expressions and quotes with approbation a letter of John Locke's using "our common friend."

    Subsequent criticism of the "common" sense of mutual seems to derive directly from Baker. The subject got a considerable boost in popularity when Charles Dickens published Our Mutual Friend in 1864. After Alford 1866 (who does not mention Dickens, though), almost every 19th-century commentator known to us has something to say on the subject, and so do a great many 20th-century commentators. Among the most recent holdouts for Baker's position are Pythian 1979, Simon 1980, and, a little lukewarmly, Bryson 1984.

    The OED's first example of "mutual friend" is dated 1658. The other examples of its use are from Lady Mary Wortley Montagu, Edmund Burke, Sir Walter Scott, and George Eliot ... [here, many literary examples are given of mutual used as "common"]

    Objection to mutual "common" has no basis other than Baker's ipse dixit of 1770 and the regrettable support given to it by Johnson's failure to recognize the meaning in his 1775 Dictionary. The usages themselves go back to Shakespeare; they have been in continuous use for almost 400 years, they are eminently standard, and it is about time the matter was laid to rest.
    I don't have a lot of patience for false rules and standards imposed retroactively on established English usage. Probably the worst such effects came from the imposition of Latin grammar rules on English, as these amount to nothing but an encumbrance that limits vital, natural expression. Petty little false rules like the one you alluded to in this thread are similarly stultifying, and to use your misguided notions of proper usage to put someone down on the Internet? Ridiculous.
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    Common friends between two or more people.


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    Type-related or not, I almost never read fiction. We were talking about movies and TV. The only books I've read since junior high (other than some of what was required for school and the sword of truth series, after which I felt like an idiot for wasting my time even though I did rather like it) have been about productivity, bettering your life, finances, nutrition, trigger points (a health thing), neuroscience/psychiatry, psychology, and parenting. I've listened to a lot of audiobooks (cause I can do that while I drive) on similar subjects. I did listen to The Odyssey and Benjamin Franklin's autobiography, however. James Allen is my favorite author.

    The only exception is manga. There are a few I sort of keep up with, but it only takes like 5 minutes to read a chapter and it's really not a whole lot different from watching anime. Some people here have argued that it's un-SLE to be into manga/anime. I say it's not type related. One's choice of which genre and series may be type related, however. I mostly pstick to epic shonen and ecchi stuff. And I've know people of MANY type, including other ESxx types, who like anime and like me got impatient with waiting for future episodes of their favorites and started reading the manga.
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    Quote Originally Posted by borderline View Post
    okay discojoe, the dictionary is wrong because i went to public school
    No, you're wrong because Sayid dies in an explosion.

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    maybe i should put you on ignore until i finish watching Lost gahhhhh
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden View Post
    DJ, what makes you think that you have more authority over English than its most respected current dictionaries and guides? Mutual friends is a well-established and accepted term, as are others constructed like it. You are the one who sounds very "public school" (rather, eighth-grade public-school English teacher overdue for retirement) by insisting on a strange bugbear approach to using a word.

    Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage treats this issue in some detail:



    I don't have a lot of patience for false rules and standards imposed retroactively on established English usage. Probably the worst such effects came from the imposition of Latin grammar rules on English, as these amount to nothing but an encumbrance that limits vital, natural expression. Petty little false rules like the one you alluded to in this thread are similarly stultifying, and to use your misguided notions of proper usage to put someone down on the Internet? Ridiculous.
    Blah blah blah. Stop encouraging stupidity by endorsing inarticulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden View Post
    Learn something or alternatively, go on sounding like a twat.
    You're so easy to troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden View Post
    Learn something or alternatively, go on sounding like a twat.
    But why learn anything when you are always right? That would just make life complicated.
    “Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim View Post
    But why learn anything when you are always right? That would just make life complicated.
    You're fat and unattractive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe View Post
    You're fat and unattractive.
    “Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim View Post
    Oh, well if you put it like that, I guess you're not.

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    It can only be mutual if there's a 3rd party involved.

    2 people can share a mutual friend. However the 2 people can't be mutual friends of each other. That would be stupid. With a third party though, total sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    It can only be mutual if there's a 3rd party involved.

    2 people can share a mutual friend. However the 2 people can't be mutual friends of each other. That would be stupid. With a third party though, total sense.
    thanks for that but uh, if you read again, no one was arguing that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Filambee View Post
    I really don't think that SLE is your type. You read fiction right? No offense to any avid fiction readers, but it's not the most practical thing to read. SLE are about what's practical. My mother who is an SLE hates reading but she does it if she believes that the material can get her ahead in life. I have never seen her pick up anything but a non-fiction book or article. She's a realtor and she likes books like See You at the Top by Zig Ziglar and Total Money Makeover by Dave Ramsey. Another SLE that I know has told me straight up that he hates to read anything. He loses focus and gets distracted. The impatience for reading is something that I've witnessed to be common among the SLEs that I've met. They definitely have the smartness to read and comprehend, but they just feel like it's a waste of time if it doesn't serve a practical purpose for the moment that they are in.
    well this is just baloney. Not only do I know SLEs who like to read fiction (science fiction and action-type fiction, granted), but I know one who is actually an amazing writer of fiction and writes screenplays as well.
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    Yeah!




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    *sigh* maybe this thread can be in some ways, a turning point. I care about both Peter and Joy and yes I think Joy is SLE and I think Peter is probably LSI and typings aside, we're all on a journey, we're all struggling to grow up in some ways and I really like what crazedrat said about being here on this forum and how it may be changing us. I hope for the better.

    I don't like the knee-jerk Joy-bashing. I don't like the knee-jerk ANYONE bashing cause it's lame and immature. Unless you've walked a mile in someone else's shoes, it's time to start giving the benefit of the doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    I don't like the knee-jerk Joy-bashing. I don't like the knee-jerk ANYONE bashing cause it's lame and immature. Unless you've walked a mile in someone else's shoes, it's time to start giving the benefit of the doubt.
    Oh, don't worry. I can assure everyone that any such benefit has long since been given and squandered. You can all unsheath your swords and resume the lols.

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    Based purely on V.I. (i.e., without having read the other posts in this thread), I'd say you're LSI, Joy. Your demeanour and body language comes across as fairly reserved, pointing toward Introversion. You rarely smile in these photos and when you do, it's a small smile, pointing toward Logic. Your gaze is direct and seems "ready to resist", which is characteristic of Se-Egos. Your clothing and general perceived attitude also point toward Beta -- certainly Se-valuing, anyway.

    There's also something a little harder to specifically define -- the two photos where your smile is most relaxed and natural are the ones (fifth and sixth from the bottom) where you appear to be hanging out with good friends in public. It's a vague intuitive impression, but it reminds me of how I feel when I'm with trusted friends, and I forget about my Role Fi and how I'm coming across to people, and become much less self-conscious and free to enjoy the moment. I could be wrong, but that's the impression I get.

    If I had to make a secondary guess, I'd go with ESI, but LSI seems most likely to me.

    [Edit: So, I've gone back and read over the thread. I could see an argument being made for SLE, but right now LSI still seems more likely. The SLEs I know seem more relaxed, and tend to "spread out" physically and take up more space, body language-wise. You seem more reserved and inwardly drawn, which points toward Introversion and LSI to me.]
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    Language is alot more subjective than most people realize.

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    LSI isnlt a crazy suggestion. I do think EP generally works better than IJ, Fi PoLR better than Ne. And I'm one of the most gregarious people I know. I need a lot of irl human interaction. Living alone, for example, makes me depressed. I see no reason to get out of bed if I know no one will be there at all that day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    LSI isnlt a crazy suggestion. I do think EP generally works better than IJ, Fi PoLR better than Ne. And I'm one of the most gregarious people I know. I need a lot of irl human interaction. Living alone, for example, makes me depressed. I see no reason to get out of bed if I know no one will be there at all that day.
    Are you gregarious because you find you have too much energy and you're too impulsive to just sit around the house all day? Or is it more like you start feeling drained and listless when you haven't seen your friends in a while, and you need someone to go out and have fun with and have a good time, in order to feel recharged and energized?

    In other words, do you feel like you need other people to break you out of the dull listlessness you find yourself sinking into? Or do you feel like you're the energetic one going around breaking other people out of their dull listlessness?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    Are you gregarious because you find you have too much energy and you're too impulsive to just sit around the house all day? Or is it more like you start feeling drained and listless when you haven't seen your friends in a while, and you need someone to go out and have fun with and have a good time, in order to feel recharged and energized?

    In other words, do you feel like you need other people to break you out of the dull listlessness you find yourself sinking into? Or do you feel like you're the energetic one going around breaking other people out of their dull listlessness?
    Interesting questions. I'd say both. It's not just about friends though. It's about people in general. Energy is a tricky question due to bouts of depression, but when I'm at my healthiest I feel like I need to go out and do stuff. Sometimes go run just because it feels good. Sometimes accompliosh stuff because it feels good.

    I think the more important question for me is whether I like to find quiet or reserved people to draw out or whether I prefer to be the one drawing others out. It's most definitely the latter. I also prefer to be the one to take the initiative in starting to interact with someone or making plans or whatever else.
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    Yeah, I don't think it matters much what I say my type is anymore because I've taken people here on such a ride, but I'm quite confident in being Se and Ti ego and Fi super ego. And I'm a sucker for Fe.

    Anyone want me to make a topic about discojoe's type with descriptions of what I observed in the 4+ years I lived with him? I know he'll disagree with my typing of him, but I'll play nice. It'll be an account of my observations, not a personal attack. I'm not looking to fight with anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    Yeah, I don't think it matters much what I say my type is anymore because I've taken people here on such a ride, but I'm quite confident in being Se and Ti ego and Fi super ego. And I'm a sucker for Fe.

    Anyone want me to make a topic about discojoe's type with descriptions of what I observed in the 4+ years I lived with him? I know he'll disagree with my typing of him, but I'll play nice. It'll be an account of my observations, not a personal attack. I'm not looking to fight with anyone.
    Do it. I don't think Joe's ISTj either.

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