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    Default Obligatory Type Timmy Thread

    Everyone else is doing it, so I will too. I boldly submit my personality to the scrutiny of this forum.

    With sincerest intentions, I promise not to pull an iceehotcold and ignore all perspectives but my own in this matter. I will accept immediately and without reservation the final decision of the forum.

    Choose wisely; for, you may not get another chance.

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    INFp; you're a carbon copy of silverchris9.

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    IEI - this post for example sounds very much beta http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...788#post765788 plus there were several other instances, for example you trying to mediate conflict between Jinxi and korpsey

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    first to vote for EVERY SINGLE ILI

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    Quote Originally Posted by siuntal View Post
    IEI - this post for example sounds very much beta http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...788#post765788 plus there were several other instances, for example you trying to mediate conflict between Jinxi and korpsey
    Given your stance, I suspect you will find this post to be exceptionally suggestive of beta.

    But what will you make of this post? And this one?

    Remember, all types use all functions. All types, moreover, value a combination of thinking and feeling functions. What about my writing suggests Ti/Fe valuing over Te/Fi valuing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
    But what will you make of this post? And this one?

    What about my writing suggests Ti/Fe valuing over Te/Fi valuing?
    Your reasoning seems to be result oriented (inductive) assigned to IEIs rather than process oriented which is assigned to ILIs.

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    Remember, all types use all functions.
    But how they use them differs. That's how we're able to differentiate between the types.

    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
    All types, moreover, value a combination of thinking and feeling functions.
    Sure, but there is a quite a difference between having creative function of Fe vs Te and mobilizing function of Ti vs Fi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by siuntal View Post
    Your reasoning seems to be result oriented (inductive) assigned to IEIs rather than process oriented which is assigned to ILIs.
    Perhaps. I've never been able to make heads or tails of most of the renin dichotomies. I tend to consider the majority to be rather useless. For what it's worth, I do consider myself democratic over aristocratic and declarer over asker (ILI>IEI). I'm not sure I have a good grasp over the negativist vs. positivist dichotomy, but I suspect my negativism may have something to do with labcoat's insistence that everything I say is tautological. I assert what cannot be known or is not apparent (negativism) to counter what appears to me to be baseless speculation on the part of labcoat (efforts to assert what is--positivism). For some reason labcoat misconstrues this as tautology. Negativism>positivism=ILI>IEI.


    Sure, but there is a quite a difference between having creative function of Fe vs Te and mobilizing function of Ti vs Fi.
    And there's the kicker. I consistently get along well enough with Fi/Te people (per my own type assessments), while Fe/Ti people are more of a mixed bag.

    Moreover, Ti ethical frameworks (e.g. legalism) have always left me cold. My father, whom I consider LSI, frequently accuses me of having slippery ethical standards. I'm not offended by the accusation. To his way of thinking, I lack some crucial ability to "differentiate right from wrong," whereas in fact I have a thorough understanding of what he considers right and wrong but am compelled to subjugate such standards to my own, internal sense of what feels right, irrespective of the internal consistency of my feelings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
    Given your stance, I suspect you will find this post to be exceptionally suggestive of beta.

    But what will you make of this post? And this one?

    Remember, all types use all functions. All types, moreover, value a combination of thinking and feeling functions. What about my writing suggests Ti/Fe valuing over Te/Fi valuing?
    The toy entrepreneur thread gave me a big impression of not being valued, at least not as much as in the general text, but I found more specifics in the gold thread:



    "If the US suddenly figured it's shit out (reads to me like /), the price of gold would fall dramatically."


    "In all likelihood, gold will be run up quit a bit more if news continues to suck (looks like a blast of due to news being insufficient in ), which almost certainly it will (this would actually fall under Positivist)."


    "If you aren't good at timing these sorts of things (once again, reads like / to me - I, a / person, would have said something along the lines of "if you don't have a great track record with this sort of thing"), I wouldn't recommend placing all your money in gold."



    By no means is this an all-exhaustive analysis of IEI>ILI it's a 4:39 AM night for me here though, and I need to sleep... what I will say for certain, though, is you've got absolutely loads of

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    Hey Timmy how is it going ? The way you planned, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    INFp; you're a carbon copy of silverchris9.
    no he sounds way more business like.

    I'm actually thinking he's an ILI-Te.

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    I want you to be in my type.

    You can also be ILI, if you really want to. Why do you prefer ILI over IEI?

    I would provide detailed serious analysis, but I do have to actually write this paper tonight, even if I bullshit it 100%.


    EDIT: And also, your capacity for analytical logic is no evidence for or against IEI. Aren't you a guy (I assume so by the name, it just occurred to me that you never had a post that said, "I, Timmy, am male," so I wanted to avoid assuming)? Male IEIs (myself included) will often place special emphasis on developing their strongest logical function (Ti), so as to be more immediately/obviously "useful." (See: strrrrrng). Also you're obviously intelligent, and of course, intelligent =/= logical type. I'd like to see someone call coleridge unintelligent, and he was no logical type. (Alternatively, if he *was* a logical type, I'd like to see someone call one of the leading romantic poets unemotional).
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    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

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    I think Timmy's IEI as well. No justification. Don't ask why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Your capacity for analytical logic is no evidence for or against IEI. Male IEIs (myself included) will often place special emphasis on developing their strongest logical function (Ti), so as to be more immediately/obviously "useful." (See: strrrrrng).
    I agree. Some IEI women will do this too (though, admittedly not as many in my experience -- likely due to a cultural bias favoring thinking in men and feeling in women). My uncle, whom I type IEI, is as powerful a thinker as any Te or Ti ego I've ever met. Thirty some years ago he solved a math problem nobody before him had been able to crack. Growing up, my siblings and I would always consult him when we needed help with math homework.

    I dredged up a couple "thinking" examples because I fell under the (probably incorrect) impression that siuntal was judging me a feeling ego based upon a couple obvious instances where I appeared to draw more heavily on feeling than thinking . Clearly the relevant question is not whether I think or feel, but whether I demonstrate a market predilection for Te/Fi or Fe/Ti.

    Why do you prefer ILI over IEI?
    This is a hell of a complicated question to answer because there are so many different angles from which to evaluate a person's type in socionics. Independently, each and every diagnostic criterion commonly employed in assigning a person his/her type involves a great deal of definitional and interpretation subjectivity.

    For example, we could argue for days with one another over whether I'm "negativist" or "positivist" without reaching a consensus. From the get go we'd probably be arguing over different things since our divergent conclusions will be influencing our interpretation of the correct way of defining positivist/negativist. Even if we could agree upon a "correct" way to interpret that dichotomy we'd probably disagree over which data was most relevant and how to interpret that data within the context of the agreed definition. Finally, whose to say the agreed upon definition has any merit to begin with?

    Suffice to say, these sorts of conversations don't go anywhere.

    To be blunt, I arrive at ILI out of gesalt. Since I know myself better than anybody else, and since I am the common denominator in all of my inter-type relations, my self typing becomes the focal point around my understanding of socionics coalesces. Imagining myself to be different types is akin to playing around with the focus on a pair of binoculars. Everything comes out blurry at all focal settings other than ILI. At ILI, everything snaps into focus and I am taken aback by how well socionics premises appear to jive with my own experiences. Every other focal setting produces a jumbled mess of incoherence from which nothing of value can be gleaned.

    To be fair, I typed myself ILI before I delved too deeply into socionics theory or began attempting to assign types others in my life. I grant you the possibility that my self typing has skewed my understanding of socionics in such a fundamental way that I now find myself unable to interpret things in the same way as others do. To extend my previous analogy, this would be akin to using a pair of binoculars that come into focus at the wrong focal setting because they were put together incorrectly. I consider such a possibility remote given just how well socionics, as I understand and interpret it, seems to resonate with my own life experience. Naturally, one would not expect a pair of improperly constructed binoculars to reveal a clear, focused image at any focal setting for the same reason people don't expect jigsaw puzzles to yield multiple solutions.

    If socionics can be drastically altered and still appear meaningful to me, that suggests to me that my impression of its meaningfulness is more likely than not illusory -- a product of my wanting to ascribe meaning socionics rather than socionics actually having any inherent meaning or predictive value. If such is the case, then socionics is indistinguishable from fiction and I'd be best to banish it from my mind all together as I can create for myself a more compelling fictional narrative for my life than socionics any day.

    So, I suppose what I'm getting at can be reduced to the following: either I'm ILI or socionics is bunk. I cannot think of any way around that.


    I want you to be in my type.
    I've nothing but respect for you and your ideas Silverchris. I'd put you in my quadra in a flash if I thought it could be justified. Unfortunately, I do not think it can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
    I dredged up a couple "thinking" examples because I fell under the (probably incorrect) impression that siuntal was judging me a feeling ego based upon a couple obvious instances where I appeared to draw more heavily on feeling than thinking .
    It's not posts where you're expressing more feeling, it's orientation of your feeling. You have been telling others how to live up to some sort of ethical standard, behave in a way that constitutes in your opinion as better human beings. That's extraverted feeling, 'objective' ethics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
    To be blunt, I arrive at ILI out of gesalt. Since I know myself better than anybody else, and since I am the common denominator in all of my inter-type relations, my self typing becomes the focal point around my understanding of socionics coalesces. Imagining myself to be different types is akin to playing around with the focus on a pair of binoculars. Everything comes out blurry at all focal settings other than ILI. At ILI, everything snaps into focus and I am taken aback by how well socionics premises appear to jive with my own experiences. Every other focal setting produces a jumbled mess of incoherence from which nothing of value can be gleaned.
    If this article is any true http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...ical_Cognition) Timmy also shows instances of the Vortical cognition, gestalt, seeing order emerging out of chaos, if you focus a pair of binoculars the right way suddenly a focused image realizes itself amidst all the mess and incoherence.

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    INFps have vortex cognition, not INTp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    INFps have vortex cognition, not INTp.
    I figured someone would bring up vortex cognition when I made the binocular analogy given the superficial comparisons to be drawn between what I wrote and what DarkAngelFireWolf69 described. I have two points to make on the matter. First, types are thought use of all forms of cognition. Type only establishes tendencies along the margin. I'd argue that if the style of conceptualization/thinking I utilized in the binocular example was vortex cognition, then vortex cognition is the only suitable DarkAngelFireWolf69 thinking style for job (irrespective of type). Second, I challenge the premise that the example I gave is necessarily indicative of vortex cognition. Taken as a whole, I honestly believe one could just as easily look at what I just wrote as a product of dialectic thinking, which I actually relate to much better than vortex cognition. Here's a description of dialectical thinking (supposedly the domain of the ILI).

    "The essential distinguishing feature of the Dialectical style, is a view of the universe as a unified struggle of opposites. In speech it often uses syntactic constructions "if-then-else", the predictive branches of a developing process. Within limits, the Dialectic strives to find an intermediate point of dynamic equilibrium between contrasting extremes. Dialectical cognition is born from the colliding flow and counterflow of thought, the consciousness and unconsciousness. Thinkers of this style are characterized by an express inclination towards the synthesis of opposites, the removal of contradictions, which they so keenly perceive."
    Notice how, although I stuck with ILI, I HAVE considered the possibility of many other types. The reason I continue to identify as ILI is that my being any other type implies all sorts of self-contradictory or implausible scenarios which, though I have not written them out here, I have carefully thought through in my head on multiple occasions. At bottom, I can conceive of no empirically meaningful way of looking at socionics that involves my being any type other than ILI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
    Everyone else is doing it, so I will too. I boldly submit my personality to the scrutiny of this forum.

    With sincerest intentions, I promise not to pull an iceehotcold and ignore all perspectives but my own in this matter. I will accept immediately and without reservation the final decision of the forum.

    Choose wisely; for, you may not get another chance.
    yes ILI.

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