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    ESC's idea seems like it deserves its own thread, especially since it's a two-headed beast. So here we is.

    Quote Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold View Post
    ENFjs control the INTp with reactions which brainwash the INTp by hitting the weak PoLR and Base with so much intensity that the INTp adapts and begins to avoid such reactions by conforming to what the ENFj expects(or what the INTp think the ENFj expects) in the form of / filtered responses and behavior.
    Here's a little story about DJ's dream girl: Within a particular scene there are a number of ILIs and a mean ol' EIE. She's a vituperative narcissist who entertains herself with scurrilous attacks and smear campaigns. Of the half-dozen or so ILIs who are present, only the one who's probably got Asperger's is susceptible to her predations (it's reminiscent of Lucy van Pelt continually pulling the football away on gullible Charlie Brown; aspie is obviously not an adherent of the Bushism, "Fool me twice, cant get fooled again."). Now including myself all of the ILIs there are fully aware that the EIE trucks in transparent boolsheet, and even the aspie knows this even though she usually walks right into it. The general consensus is that the EIE is more noisy than threatening, more tedious than convincing. Although the EIE's unremittingly scathing vitriol has sent a few IEIs bawling and has spread baseless innuendo within the larger group, she's yet to alter the thinking, self-image, or behavior of a single ILI. Not one*. They've almost all fought back, criticizing her hypocritical duplicity and self-aggrandizing bile. Since her propaganda is generally specious at best it's more risible than hazardous. In fact she's tired of me ignoring or ridiculing her frontal assaults and has found me far more responsive when my friends are maligned, i.e. when she's exploiting mobilizing Fi, not vulnerable Fe.

    * Except, of course, the alienation and suspicion that naturally develops over time in response to such a person.

    So why aren't these ILIs or I falling prey to zombification?
    • -'s contextualization of data finds what's untrue about lies, roots out their motivations and goals, anticipates how they'll manifest and under what conditions, and devises means to combat them.
    • Mobilizing is rarely affected adversely except by damage to valued persons, relations, or self esteem.
    • Suggestive is often likelier to yawn at or be amused by feigned shows of force than it is to be intimidated by them.
    • Vulnerable ... ? You mean that curious alien substance examined clinically like a bug in a jar and utilized with conscious and studied effort? It really isn't a liability here except for its handicap at proactively controlling desirable social atmospheres or impressions.
    So the idea of EIEs brainwashing ILIs just strikes me as untrue.

    Also, Ashton can chime in with his thoughts on this if he wants but he recently mentioned in conversation that supervision is probably a two-way street. It took very little reflection on my dealings with EIEs and LSEs to see that this is actually correct.

    Ok, time for a change in direction (this means I'm gonna kinda be a dick for a while...don't tell anyone).

    My EIE instructor introduced me to existentialism and caught my worldview off-guard with some life-questioning questions and ideas, especially suicide(I swear at the time I thought he was the Devil, dude had a real nasty look, like a serpent; I also thought he was too pushy with ideas I considered delicate.
    I'm sure you'll argue or "******, LOL!" Fe-ishly in response again but to me this sounds like:
    • "caught my worldview off-guard" jarring principles fed to acc- and realizations from cre- discombobulated DS-
    • "life-questioning questions and ideas" same as above, further giving mob.- a tweak
    • "suicide" foreign introduced, not spontaneously self-generated, sending mob.-/PoLR- spinning into the guardrails
    • "I swear at the time I thought he was the Devil" /
    • "dude had a real nasty look" /
    • "like a serpent" /
    • "I also thought he was too pushy" constrained and negative = -PoLR hit
    • "ideas I considered delicate" encroachment on , violation of by Se-valuing badman


    The whole thing screams "Ji, Ji, JIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!" A little contrast: I personally came to existentialism at age five after a week's nightly prayers were finally answered, but by the all-annihilating null-space of the trackless void, not that nice Jesus fellow I'd been told about who'd be my guiding star. Nothing shocks me about a world devoid of objective morality or meaning, perpetually in relativistic freefall: for the finite agent within the universe's infinite scope and power, life is absurd and ultimately unendurable. Nor is there likely to be anything beyond the grave but release from consciousness's strange comedy. Further, my response to contrary viewpoints is skepticism and possibly eventual rejection, often of an active and even polemic sort, i.e. "That's fucking stupid and it's offensive that you poison the ignorant and credulous by propagating nonsense", not "O LAWZ I GOTSTA REJIGGER ALL MY THINKINZ FROM SCRIZZATCH OR I'M FINNA DIIIIEEEEE". I'm not afraid to tell morons or morons with bad breath to step back, and there's hardly anything too horrific or grotesque for me to examine or discuss. Now I certainly can't say this is true for all ILIs, but the ones I know all have sufficient familiarity with controversial ideas and actual blood and guts that they'd hardly feel alarmed by discordant ideas presented by an insistent or insidious person. Your response is just way too Ji-oriented (look to your buddy tcaud and how he handles himself when faced with heretics). So again, I think you're LII, which explains why your understanding of the Ni-Te mind seems more textbook than experiential.


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    my closest friends here are an ni-enfj (female) and ni-intp (male) couple. they're very happy, loving, almost brother and sister like. (they were best friends for years and lived together in the enfj's parents house before dating years later, so its probably not type-related)

    they get into passive-aggressive fights where they silently chain smoke to show they're mad at each other. she's (enfj) described it as almost "telepathic" arguing. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by borderline View Post
    my closest friends here are an ni-enfj (female) and ni-intp (male) couple. they're very happy, loving, almost brother and sister like. (they were best friends for years and lived together in the enfj's parents house before dating years later, so its probably not type-related)

    they get into passive-aggressive fights where they silently chain smoke to show they're mad at each other. she's (enfj) described it as almost "telepathic" arguing. lol
    Interesting. I've gotten on pretty well with most EIEs I can think of. They're generally a sharp lot so there's much to discuss provided we don't have clashing values.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsey View Post
     
    ]ESC's idea seems like it deserves its own thread, especially since it's a two-headed beast. So here we is.



    Here's a little story about DJ's dream girl: Within a particular scene there are a number of ILIs and a mean ol' EIE. She's a vituperative narcissist who entertains herself with scurrilous attacks and smear campaigns. Of the half-dozen or so ILIs who are present, only the one who's probably got Asperger's is susceptible to her predations (it's reminiscent of Lucy van Pelt continually pulling the football away on gullible Charlie Brown; aspie is obviously not an adherent of the Bushism, "Fool me twice, cant get fooled again."). Now including myself all of the ILIs there are fully aware that the EIE trucks in transparent boolsheet, and even the aspie knows this even though she usually walks right into it. The general consensus is that the EIE is more noisy than threatening, more tedious than convincing. Although the EIE's unremittingly scathing vitriol has sent a few IEIs bawling and has spread baseless innuendo within the larger group, she's yet to alter the thinking, self-image, or behavior of a single ILI. Not one*. They've almost all fought back, criticizing her hypocritical duplicity and self-aggrandizing bile. Since her propaganda is generally specious at best it's more risible than hazardous. In fact she's tired of me ignoring or ridiculing her frontal assaults and has found me far more responsive when my friends are maligned, i.e. when she's exploiting mobilizing Fi, not vulnerable Fe.

    * Except, of course, the alienation and suspicion that naturally develops over time in response to such a person.

    So why aren't these ILIs or I falling prey to zombification?
    • -'s contextualization of data finds what's untrue about lies, roots out their motivations and goals, anticipates how they'll manifest and under what conditions, and devises means to combat them.
    • Mobilizing is rarely affected adversely except by damage to valued persons, relations, or self esteem.
    • Suggestive is often likelier to yawn at or be amused by feigned shows of force than it is to be intimidated by them.
    • Vulnerable ... ? You mean that curious alien substance examined clinically like a bug in a jar and utilized with conscious and studied effort? It really isn't a liability here except for its handicap at proactively controlling desirable social atmospheres or impressions.
    So the idea of EIEs brainwashing ILIs just strikes me as untrue.

    Also, Ashton can chime in with his thoughts on this if he wants but he recently mentioned in conversation that supervision is probably a two-way street. It took very little reflection on my dealings with EIEs and LSEs to see that this is actually correct.

    Ok, time for a change in direction (this means I'm gonna kinda be a dick for a while...don't tell anyone).



    I'm sure you'll argue or "******, LOL!" Fe-ishly in response again but to me this sounds like:
    • "caught my worldview off-guard" jarring principles fed to acc- and realizations from cre- discombobulated DS-
    • "life-questioning questions and ideas" same as above, further giving mob.- a tweak
    • "suicide" foreign introduced, not spontaneously self-generated, sending mob.-/PoLR- spinning into the guardrails
    • "I swear at the time I thought he was the Devil" /
    • "dude had a real nasty look" /
    • "like a serpent" /
    • "I also thought he was too pushy" constrained and negative = -PoLR hit
    • "ideas I considered delicate" encroachment on , violation of by Se-valuing badman


    The whole thing screams "Ji, Ji, JIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!" A little contrast: I personally came to existentialism at age five after a week's nightly prayers were finally answered, but by the all-annihilating null-space of the trackless void, not that nice Jesus fellow I'd been told about who'd be my guiding star. Nothing shocks me about a world devoid of objective morality or meaning, perpetually in relativistic freefall: for the finite agent within the universe's infinite scope and power, life is absurd and ultimately unendurable. Nor is there likely to be anything beyond the grave but release from consciousness's strange comedy. Further, my response to contrary viewpoints is skepticism and possibly eventual rejection, often of an active and even polemic sort, i.e. "That's fucking stupid and it's offensive that you poison the ignorant and credulous by propagating nonsense", not "O LAWZ I GOTSTA REJIGGER ALL MY THINKINZ FROM SCRIZZATCH OR I'M FINNA DIIIIEEEEE". I'm not afraid to tell morons or morons with bad breath to step back, and there's hardly anything too horrific or grotesque for me to examine or discuss. Now I certainly can't say this is true for all ILIs, but the ones I know all have sufficient familiarity with controversial ideas and actual blood and guts that they'd hardly feel alarmed by discordant ideas presented by an insistent or insidious person. Your response is just way too Ji-oriented (look to your buddy tcaud and how he handles himself when faced with heretics). So again, I think you're LII, which explains why your understanding of the Ni-Te mind seems more textbook than experiential.
    Yes. Let's all ignore the context of my situation because I gave enough information needed to understand where I'm coming from.

    Poor choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold View Post
    Yes. Let's all ignore the context of my situation because I gave enough information needed to understand where I'm coming from.
    If you'd like to explain why you felt mortally threatened by an EIE in simple conversation while other ILIs subjected to daily malice by another EIE only found it tiresome, I'd be glad to hear it. Otherwise the account you gave of your reaction to a personally alien or discordant philosophy (i.e. existentialism, which in my experience is a fairly common and natural worldview among ILIs, esp. the Ni set) makes more sense as that of a static type than that of a dynamic one.

    Poor choice.
    By preferring the "hey everybody, we learned to play our instruments" flash and polish of White Zombie's latter-day, Los Anglicized butt-metal over the shambling and deranged audio swamp beast of their earlier, Lower East Side NYC "Kings of Scum-Rock" sound, you've indicated a preference for less chaos and dissonance, and more explicit and emotive-semiotic content. Call me buck nuts, but from where I stand that degree and form of ambiguity intolerance smacks of valued Ti/Ne/Si/Fe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsey View Post
    If you'd like to explain why you felt mortally threatened by an EIE in simple conversation while other ILIs subjected to daily malice by another EIE only found it tiresome, I'd be glad to hear it. Otherwise the account you gave of your reaction to a personally alien or discordant philosophy (i.e. existentialism, which in my experience is a fairly common and natural worldview among ILIs, esp. the Ni set) makes more sense as that of a static type than that of a dynamic one.
    Explain my penis in ur butt


    By preferring the "hey everybody, we learned to play our instruments" flash and polish of White Zombie's latter-day, Los Anglicized butt-metal over the shambling and deranged audio swamp beast of their earlier, Lower East Side NYC "Kings of Scum-Rock" sound, you've indicated a preference for less chaos and dissonance, and more explicit and emotive-semiotic content. Call me buck nuts, but from where I stand that degree and form of ambiguity intolerance smacks of valued Ti/Ne/Si/Fe.
    This is ridiculous. You know nothing of my music taste.

    Lastfm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold View Post
    Explain my penis in ur butt
    That belongs to the realm of the unpossible, just like your being non-alpha. Also: fucking gross, gaymind.

    This is ridiculous. You know nothing of my music taste.
    I'm well aware that you've linked tunes supposedly adrip with Ni (TIME, OOOOOOOOOO, THEY MENTIONED TIIIIIIIIME!) to paint yourself in borrowed gamma colors.

    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow View Post
    I've seen ENFjs knock INTps out of conversations pretty brutally. INTps sometimes play these social games to demean people / inflate their egos and ENFjs kill them when they try that shit. Brainwashing.. isn't the right word at all. ENFjs just dominate the social sphere and INTps are left on the sidelines. That's about all I've noticed between them.
    There is some truth to this since EIEs are natural expert manipulators of public sentiment, an area where the ILI is certainly gimped. That said, EIEs also engage in these tactics proactively to puff themselves up by demeaning others, so it isn't wholly reactive or defensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsey View Post
    That belongs to the realm of the unpossible, just like your being non-alpha. Also: fucking gross, gaymind.
    Assuming the realm of unpossibility exists. Also: no u.



    I'm well aware that you've linked tunes supposedly adrip with Ni (TIME, OOOOOOOOOO, THEY MENTIONED TIIIIIIIIME!) to paint yourself in borrowed gamma colors.
    Let me lay it out for you, since you don't seem to stand under.

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    I've seen ENFjs knock INTps out of conversations pretty brutally. INTps sometimes play these social games to demean people / inflate their egos and ENFjs kill them when they try that shit. Brainwashing.. isn't the right word at all. ENFjs just dominate the social sphere and INTps are left on the sidelines. That's about all I've noticed between them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow View Post
    I've seen ENFjs knock INTps out of conversations pretty brutally. INTps sometimes play these social games to demean people / inflate their egos and ENFjs kill them when they try that shit. Brainwashing.. isn't the right word at all. ENFjs just dominate the social sphere and INTps are left on the sidelines. That's about all I've noticed between them.
    There is some truth to this since EIEs are natural expert manipulators of public sentiment, an area where the ILI is certainly gimped. That said, EIEs also engage in these tactics proactively to puff themselves up by demeaning others, so it isn't wholly reactive or defensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsey View Post
    There is some truth to this since EIEs are natural expert manipulators of public sentiment, an area where the ILI is certainly gimped. That said, EIEs also engage in these tactics proactively to puff themselves up by demeaning others, so it isn't wholly reactive or defensive.
    Well yeah everyone does that shit. I didnt mean this as a moral reprimand on INTps. It's more about how INTps do it which makes them fail at it. They try to alienate the person they're making fun of. Just look at how you / cpig ban people when you're provoked even in the smallest way. Look at Nanashis first impulse whenever someone 'degrades women' (in her eyes). It will work at times, or it will fail and you'll alienate yourself. ISTps do the same, and EXTjs will but to alot lesser extent. Anyway in these polr situations the EXFj just responds by actively blocking your attempt; siding with / including the person in question.. they establish dominance and you're the one left alienated.

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    The members of this place certainly have an interesting sense of humor.

    I wish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valori View Post
    The members of this place certainly have an interesting sense of humor.

    I wish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow View Post
    Well yeah everyone does that shit. I didnt mean this as a moral reprimand on INTps. It's more about how INTps do it which makes them fail at it. They try to alienate the person they're making fun of. Just look at how you / cpig ban people when you're provoked even in the smallest way. Look at Nanashis first impulse whenever someone 'degrades women' (in her eyes). It will work at times, or it will fail and you'll alienate yourself. ISTps do the same, and EXTjs will but to alot lesser extent. Anyway in these polr situations the EXFj just responds by actively blocking your attempt; siding with / including the person in question.. they establish dominance and you're the one left alienated.
    Baloney. Rarely will I challenge an EXFj over something trivial, but when the issue at stake is important to me, I've no problem at all standing my ground and winning support for my perspective. I do so by actively undermining/ridiculing the Ti sentiments underlying his/her opposing position (even if the particular EXFj cannot see where I'm coming from, others do) and supplanting that position with my own Fi judgments. I've learned that my unresponsiveness to Fe cues can be used to my advantage. When Fe dominants attempt to sour my mood with Fe, they find they don't get far. My dad, (LSI) simply crumbles under my ESE mom's occasional histrionics (it's like he becomes a slave to her Fe). He loses his balance and perspective when this happens and with it any and all control over the situation. I, along with most ILI's I know, don't have this problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
    Baloney. Rarely will I challenge an EXFj over something trivial, but when the issue at stake is important to me, I've no problem at all standing my ground and winning support for my perspective. I do so by actively undermining/ridiculing the Ti sentiments underlying his/her opposing position (even if the particular EXFj cannot see where I'm coming from, others do) and supplanting that position with my own Fi judgments. I've learned that my unresponsiveness to Fe cues can be used to my advantage. When Fe dominants attempt to sour my mood with Fe, they find they don't get far. My dad, (LSI) simply crumbles under my ESE mom's occasional histrionics (it's like he becomes a slave to her Fe). He loses his balance and perspective when this happens and with it any and all control over the situation. I, along with most ILI's I know, don't have this problem.
    What you quoted was one example of one of ILIs functions - Fe polr - interacting with one of the ENFjs functions - Fe dominant. This is the main function interaction responsible for placing ENFjs in the dominant position. Obviously the types have 8 functions and the interactions are alot more complicated than polr hits. And what I wrote there is an extreme example of the ILIs polr in action - when Fe polr is attempting to ostracize a person. Why use an extreme example? To clearly illustrate the point. In regular conversation, the functions are more subtle. ILIs are not constantly trying to ostracize people (at least not so clearly that you'd notice it). The functions are subliminal most of the time. So no, it isn't baloney, it's your failure to interpret my writing correctly. And infact your response doesn't seem to speak to what I even said.
    Challenge ENFj over something trivial? I never mentioned that.
    Maybe you think you're standing your ground, but the ENFj is in a dominant social position the entire time.
    Undermining Ti? Undermining the supervisor just doesn't work very well. Even if you're right, you still lose.
    I also didn't say ILIs are internally affected by Fe. I said they are ostracized by the polr hit. Im sure you crawl off into your crawlspace thinking you've come out logically superior, but look around and you'll notice you're in a crawlspace. Anyway I don't think you're a great example of a stereotypical ILI. Because I think you act like a pussy. You're a hybrid of some sort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow View Post
    I've seen ENFjs knock INTps out of conversations pretty brutally. INTps sometimes play these social games to demean people / inflate their egos and ENFjs kill them when they try that shit. Brainwashing.. isn't the right word at all. ENFjs just dominate the social sphere and INTps are left on the sidelines. That's about all I've noticed between them.
    I personally think this is an overgeneralization. At least this has never been my experience, and I know plenty of INTp's. I've always had a sense of comradery in conversations with them. Of course it could be different if you are talking about ethical subtypes, but either way there are way too many other factors involved to view these interactions purely as black and white. Going by what you say in this dynamic, I relate more to the INTp's take on this hypothetical situation, then again I have social anxiety and agoraphobia so the "social drama queen" persona just doesn't work in my case anyways.
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    From what I've observed ENFj do somehow 'hax' into INTp brain. I've watched interaction of an ENFj professor and his two INTp colleagues. They would often come up to talk to him after presentations and during various department events. It was evident from their interaction that they looked up for him for some inexplicable reason. The ENFj professor looked as if he was slightly irked by them but would maintain warm friendly atmosphere in conversation. NTR issues such as narcissism, histrionics, and intelligence levels aside this dynamic does play out from what I've seen. I don't believe is has potential to lead to to any sort of in depth intellectual manipulation, it was simply a higher level of interpersonal receptiveness on the part of the INTps.

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    Ehh, actually ESC has a lot more to do with casual determinist if you go by these cognitive styles.
    Interesting. What do D-A and C-D have in common? Process or Evolutory

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    Consequently, susceptibility to conditioning is higher in Evolutionary types than in Involutionary types. Conditioned responses require movement along a single path, without possibility of turning around or deviating from the imposed route. One of the inhibitory mechanisms of conditioning is phobia (obsessive fear). Imagine not being able to rid yourself of thinking you will definitely fall on a slippery road. This is an example of a phobia. And then you actually do end up falling, even if wearing mountain-climbing boots. According to my observations, Involutionary types do not seriously suffer such phobias.

    Thus, Involutionary types more rapidly and less painfully get rid of illusions, imposed opinions, suggested thoughts, fanatic states, etc. It is because of Evolution–Involution differences that quadras are split rings of social progress are formed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold View Post
    Interesting. What do D-A and C-D have in common? Process or Evolutory
    Never got into it in full, so take it easy, I'm not very fond of theories I simply can't use or see no use for. You remind me a bit of DirectorTrevor to be honest, you like it ?

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    INTps are apparently not the only type that ENFjs attempt to hack..... I've had them do it to me, and the violent notion aggravated me tremendously. One reason why I don't care for ENFjs. I will sometimes watch them attempt their tooling with me and others, while throwing in different responses to see how that affects their performance (testing). Some of them, I don't believe a word they say, with reason. It's all about manipulation and lies.

    I would think ENFj success in such a venture more depends on whether the person being attacked is privy to knowing what is going on, and understanding the situation and how to defend themselves and/or evade, rather than it being type-related.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet city woman View Post
    INTps are apparently not the only type that ENFjs attempt to hack..... I've had them do it to me, and the violent notion aggravated me tremendously. One reason why I don't care for ENFjs. I will sometimes watch them attempt their tooling with me and others, while throwing in different responses to see how that affects their performance (testing). Some of them, I don't believe a word they say, with reason. It's all about manipulation and lies.

    I would think ENFj success in such a venture more depends on whether the person being attacked is privy to knowing what is going on, and understanding the situation and how to defend themselves and/or evade, rather than it being type-related.
    Now, now, not all ENFjs are bad. My best friend is an ENFj, and quite a good friend. My ENFj friend taught me a LOT about Fe and human social rituals. He actually showed me how to manipulate situations.

    I suppose an ENFj could devour an INTp, but not all INTps are narcissists, and that’s probably a really good thing too. A Ni dominant narcissist is probably inedible.
    It is said that narcissism is the most difficult personality disorder to treat, and here’s why:

    A narcissist will sit there with the therapist and absorb everything said; learning instead of “healing” Essentially the narcissist just gets smarter, and learns more tricks. A Ni dominant is a master of patterns, and it’s only a matter of time before he masters the problem. It’s a game to him, and he loves games. This is how the hunter becomes the hunted.

    I'm happy I learned to heal myself and appreciate human compassion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscorey View Post
    Now, now, not all ENFjs are bad. My best friend is an ENFj, and quite a good friend. My ENFj friend taught me a LOT about Fe and human social rituals. He actually showed me how to manipulate situations.

    I suppose an ENFj could devour an INTp, but not all INTps are narcissists, and that’s probably a really good thing too. A Ni dominant narcissist is probably inedible.
    It is said that narcissism is the most difficult personality disorder to treat, and here’s why:

    A narcissist will sit there with the therapist and absorb everything said; learning instead of “healing” Essentially the narcissist just gets smarter, and learns more tricks. A Ni dominant is a master of patterns, and it’s only a matter of time before he masters the problem. It’s a game to him, and he loves games. This is how the hunter becomes the hunted.

    I'm happy I learned to heal myself and appreciate human compassion.
    Hey, BnD is a Ni dominant narcissist and master of puppets too, last time I checked.

    Ni egos are shady...

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    Look back I over-reacted to the venom in this thread, failing to see what I think now which is that K0rp was less interested in mindlessly bashing ESC an innocent victim of socionics, and more likely perceived ESC's idea that ENFj's devour INTp's as ridiculous and a two headed beast to attack k0rp and assert a dumb intellectual idea about how ENFj's and INTp's relate.

    I'll admit a major portion of my backlash is my association with alpha quadra and the fact I was afraid of ESC-bashing by alpha-typing carrying over into alpha-ness in general, therefore originally part of me wanted to fire up ESC into defending himself, which never happened... he merely bounced around playfully like a rat while everyone tried to capture him and then left the scene. Leaving gammas like k0rp with a wonderful new slur to throw at the opposing alpha quadra, that being "you remind me of ESC".

    Regardless at this point I could care less about argument that occurred 2 years ago and this thing is such commonplace I have trouble taking it seriously anymore and just laughing at the entire thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man From Nantucket View Post
    Look back I over-reacted to the venom in this thread, failing to see what I think now which is that K0rp was less interested in mindlessly bashing ESC an innocent victim of socionics, and more likely perceived ESC's idea that ENFj's devour INTp's as ridiculous and a two headed beast to attack k0rp and assert a dumb intellectual idea about how ENFj's and INTp's relate.

    I'll admit a major portion of my backlash is my association with alpha quadra and the fact I was afraid of ESC-bashing by alpha-typing carrying over into alpha-ness in general, therefore originally part of me wanted to fire up ESC into defending himself, which never happened... he merely bounced around playfully like a rat while everyone tried to capture him and then left the scene. Leaving gammas like k0rp with a wonderful new slur to throw at the opposing alpha quadra, that being "you remind me of ESC".

    Regardless at this point I could care less about argument that occurred 2 years ago and this thing is such commonplace I have trouble taking it seriously anymore and just laughing at the entire thing.
    ESC is INTp. what you wanted him to do was more, well, forceful.
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    Hey, BnD is a Ni dominant narcissist and master of puppets too, last time I checked.

    Ni egos are shady...
    -_- there you go again absurd. Judgy judgy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Hey, BnD is a Ni dominant narcissist and master of puppets too, last time I checked.

    Ni egos are shady...
    Ni-dominants don't bother me. I find them to be relatively harmless, generally. They're not nearly as narcissistic as some other types. Their narcissism actually feels/looks pretty average to me. I know some of them call themselves narcissists, but.... I think maybe they like the idea of being a narcissist, more than the fact that they actually are narcissists. True narcissists seem to give me a much more "put off" reaction..... Ni-dom "narcissism" seems to manifest itself as a slight superiority complex moreso than an attempt to demean others, and maybe that's part of it. And, they don't seem pretentious or off-putting; they seem to be interested in others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet city woman View Post
    Ni-dominants don't bother me. I find them to be relatively harmless, generally. They're not nearly as narcissistic as some other types. Their narcissism actually feels/looks pretty average to me. I know some of them call themselves narcissists, but.... I think maybe they like the idea of being a narcissist more than the fact that they actually are narcissists. True narcissists seem to give me a much more "put off" reaction..... Their "narcissism" seems to manifest itself as a slight superiority complex moreso than an attempt to demean others, and maybe that's part of it. And, they don't seem pretentious or off-putting; they seem to be interested in others.
    Yes, the malignant narcissism is very off-putting. Hmmm I can't find the documentary about it, but they're horrible people to be around in general. The camera guy in the doc had a hidden camera and every-time the main camera was switched off the narcissist would start demeaning and verbally abusing the host. When the camera was on the narcissist was charming and denied verbally attacking the host.

    They have no real friends and nobody really likes them.

    I don't know a lot of Ni dominants, but it seems, at least for me; I get accused of being a narcissist a lot by certain extroverts. I have zero interest in demeaning or hurting people, but I'm self-involved and in my head a lot. I guess that's shady...

    anyway +1
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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscorey View Post
    -_- there you go again absurd. Judgy judgy
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet city woman View Post
    Their narcissism actually feels/looks pretty average to me. I know some of them call themselves narcissists
    Well, I think some of them shop at narcissist shops and the clothes made by other narcissists employed in those narcissist shops can leak narcissism and when this Ni narcissism soaks through pores in your skin and gets into your bloodstream, it's too late. Narcissist epidemic.
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