my second video

[Absurd]

But...you're probably not experienced enough (yet) to go on such a crusade. Your typings does not seem to be spot on, at the moment.

No no, they are terribly fine. Don't confuse her FDG. She can get crazy.

[Korpsy Knievel]

I think I saw one person type [Korpsey] as a SEE and I agree with that for now

See if you can fit me into delta sometime this week since we haven't visited that zone yet.

[Nico1e]

But...you're probably not experienced enough (yet) to go on such a crusade. Your typings does not seem to be spot on, at the moment. Maybe you should postpone your plan until you have gotten more experienced at typing (which is NOT the whole deal with "socionics" - only a very small part of the package).

I can't do much harm, though, if I try. I mean, no one really listens to me anyway, right? Or, maybe they do. But then everyone will just see me as the weirdo who types everyone wrong and I'll be the only person who said the opposite of what everyone else was saying, and they'll go, 'Eh, that's just Nicole, that's the way she is.' I mean we already do that whenever we think someone's typing is totally wrong. So I'll be the one who you can just ignore if you disagree with me. No harm done.

But...you're probably not experienced enough (yet) to go on such a crusade. Your typings does not seem to be spot on, at the moment.

No no, they are terribly fine. Don't confuse her FDG. She can get crazy.

He knows me by now.

I think I saw one person type [Korpsey] as a SEE and I agree with that for now

See if you can fit me into delta sometime this week since we haven't visited that zone yet.

In all honesty, I'll try that, actually. When the time comes for me to actually do my text analysis of things that you've written, then who knows, I could change my mind and say you were an LSE. That's not impossible. I can almost hear that LSE voice in your writing sometimes too, like UDP and Mountain Dew. But I'd have to check it and really look at it closely.

Okay, when I'm off work on Monday, I'll probably start giving some more examples from posts, or else I'll give counter-arguments to some of the arguments against my ESI typing here (since I'm doing an off-topic derail in the middle of MD's thread). And I might not convince anyone, but at least I tried.

[Korpsy Knievel]

When the time comes for me to actually do my text analysis of things that you've written, then who knows, I could change my mind and say you were an LSE. That's not impossible. I can almost hear that LSE voice in your writing sometimes too, like UDP and Mountain Dew.

Cool but UDP is LII and MtD is ESE.

[EyeSeeCold]

When the time comes for me to actually do my text analysis of things that you've written, then who knows, I could change my mind and say you were an LSE. That's not impossible. I can almost hear that LSE voice in your writing sometimes too, like UDP and Mountain Dew.

Cool but UDP is LII and MtD is ESE.

As for UDP, Base T and Ne obfuscates LSE and LII. If I didn't know he self-typed LSE, my impression would have been Alpha NT from some of his old posts under Ryu.

As for MD, SLE - > ESE - > LSE is stupid. SLE leaning towards alpha(Fe) would make more sense.

[Nico1e]

But...you're probably not experienced enough (yet) to go on such a crusade. Your typings does not seem to be spot on, at the moment. Maybe you should postpone your plan until you have gotten more experienced at typing (which is NOT the whole deal with "socionics" - only a very small part of the package).

I can't do much harm, though, if I try. I mean, no one really listens to me anyway, right? Or, maybe they do. But then everyone will just see me as the weirdo who types everyone wrong and I'll be the only person who said the opposite of what everyone else was saying, and they'll go, 'Eh, that's just Nicole, that's the way she is.' I mean we already do that whenever we think someone's typing is totally wrong. So I'll be the one who you can just ignore if you disagree with me. No harm done.

But...you're probably not experienced enough (yet) to go on such a crusade. Your typings does not seem to be spot on, at the moment.

No no, they are terribly fine. Don't confuse her FDG. She can get crazy.

Absurd knows me by now.

I think I saw one person type [Korpsey] as a SEE and I agree with that for now

See if you can fit me into delta sometime this week since we haven't visited that zone yet.

In all honesty, I'll try that, actually. When the time comes for me to actually do my text analysis of things that you've written, then who knows, I could change my mind and say you were an LSE. That's not impossible. I can almost hear that LSE voice in your writing sometimes too, like UDP and Mountain Dew. But I'd have to check it and really look at it closely. I don't know what I will change it to.

Okay, when I'm off work on Monday, I'll probably start giving some more examples from posts, or else I'll give counter-arguments to some of the arguments against my ESI typing here (since I'm doing an off-topic derail in the middle of MD's thread). And I might not convince anyone, but at least I tried.

[Shazaam]

*tickles K0rpsey's chin with his Fe Super Hero cape*

I don't know Nicole. You just seem like a sweet middle class girl figuring things out. I don't want socionics to rape your soul, but I suppose it's hypocritical of me to morally judge you on that. You have a lot of empathy and I know you're just sort of categorizing us for your own amusement and ease for yourself.

But I think you're confused right now, because some things you say it's like you half-way understand it. Some of your posts are 'dead on' right to me while others , I just don't think they have any truth to it. And I don't mean to criticize your intentions and heart, they always feel like they are in the right place and you definitely are part of the forum's 'nice crowd.'

[Nico1e]

*tickles K0rpsey's chin with his Fe Super Hero cape*

I don't know Nicole. You just seem like a sweet middle class girl figuring things out. I don't want socionics to rape your soul, but I suppose it's hypocritical of me to morally judge you on that. You have a lot of empathy and I know you're just sort of categorizing us for your own amusement and ease for yourself.

But I think you're confused right now, because some things you say it's like you half-way understand it. Some of your posts are 'dead on' right to me while others , I just don't think they have any truth to it. And I don't mean to criticize your intentions and heart, they always feel like they are in the right place and you definitely are part of the forum's 'nice crowd.'

Thanks BAD. If my soul ever got raped by a personality typing system, it already happened in the early 1990s when I first learned about the Myers-Briggs, so I'm sort of used to it by now. And yeah, some of the stuff I write is totally in the wrong universe. But I hope that I do remain in the 'nice crowd' category.

And I sort of know what you might be imagining. Like if I became so obsessed with typing people that I couldn't see them as individuals. Or if I got a big ego from thinking that I could use socionics to control other people or make myself better than everyone. You're wondering where I will be going with this in the future. (I was just musing about this idea randomly while I was at work.)

[Reuben]

*hug*

[Aiss]

You're probably SLI, or perhaps LII. Hope that helps.



OK, so as not to post one-liners - I recall my first thought back when you came was Delta ST, but you were way more sure of NT then. I still kind of get this vibe though. There are reasons to think you might be LII but overall I'm leaning towards SLI for you. I suspect a lot of alpha-like-playfulness which is often mistaken for Fe here is more Si/Ne related, so it doesn't exactly go against it. The major issue is your open rejection of Se as opposed to lack of clear attitude towards Fe - except the latter isn't quite right for an LII, either (and it's plain stupid to deny that not identifying with DS is a problem), which makes me think it's more the case of not being sure what Fe stands for. Which is what you might want to look at more closely, although Ti vs Fi contrasts in this thread so far aren't worth much.

[Nowisthetime]

MegaDoomer, I think there is something similar between you and the Finnish prime minister, Jyrki Katainen. I type him LII.

I mean the way you talk and mannerism etc.

[Pa3s]

I was away for a few days and haven't checked the forum. Thanks for all the replies!

You're probably SLI, or perhaps LII. Hope that helps.

You've got it.

MegaDoomer, I think there is something similar between you and the Finnish prime minister, Jyrki Katainen.

Hey, not bad. To better compare the videos, I watched them while I turned down the sound and I think that there are indeed some similarities.

[Nico1e]

So I was wondering. As we all know by now, I have my weird mood swings, and I often give people a bunch of weird random typings which I will then change a hundred times over a period of weeks.

However, when I see a video of someone, and carefully analyze it the way that I did yours, I often feel more certain of the type that I guess (although this isn't always true - I saw Hitta's videos by accident and typed him as ILE, then decided later he might be an IEI like other people have said he is, and I'm still not sure - but I also didn't analyze his videos as carefully as yours).

I typed you as ESI, and oddly enough, that's the only one of my typings that I haven't changed my mind about, all this time. I still see you using ethics strongly enough that I feel pretty sure it's your base function. In the post just above, you agreed with someone who suspected you were probably SLI or LII... but I still disagree. I still see ethics in your posts and I still see in the video a way of expressing emotions that doesn't seem like a SLI.

How do you feel about being typed as an ESI? I know that you still are not quite sure about it, and you don't like to change your type over and over again, or make lots of mistakes, so you want to wait a bit before deciding on a type.

[Pa3s]

I typed you as ESI, and oddly enough, that's the only one of my typings that I haven't changed my mind about, all this time.

Didn't you type me SEI at the very beginning?

How do you feel about being typed as an ESI?

Well, as I said before, I think that this rather unlikely, because it doesn't make sense in some aspects. While Si seems to be a part of my personality, Se does not. It could be my polr, but if not, it would also be well placed as my ignoring function. Also, considering intertype relations, I can't be ESI since I get along well with most ILEs and IEEs I interacted with. I don't see any pattern which exposes them to be my conflictors/supervisors (and there are a lot of them here). In the matter of duals I don't have anything against LIEs and some of them are pretty cool, but they don't complement me in a way duals should. Besides the obvious differences, we're still too similar for that, imho. Of course, I have emotions as every human being has them, but I really don't know if they're important (or maybe better: conscious) enough for me to be my leading function.

[InkStrider]

My vote is for SLI-Si sp/so.

Reason: Because you remind me so much of my RL SLI-Si sp/so buddy. But you know that already.

[Pa3s]

My vote is for SLI-Si sp/so.

Any specific reason why Si-sub>Te? Or because your friend is, too?

[InkStrider]

Any specific reason why Si-sub>Te? Or because your friend is, too?

My mom is SLI-Te, my friend SLI-Si. I've noted differences between the two, but I need to go somewhere now and might add to this later.

[Nico1e]

It's just that I often see you using strong ethics, at the very moments when my own ethics feel weak and uncertain. There was another time just recently when you had commented that somebody shouldn't be hitting a pregnant woman - it was on someone's blog just a day or two ago, and I happened to glance at that blog at random, since I don't usually read all the blogs (although I don't get to read half as much stuff as I would like to, anyway). In those moments, yeah, I worry that someone will get physically hurt in the fight, but my ethics are still weak.

I can give an example - one time, I jumped in and broke up a fistfight between two guys at a restaurant where I worked. The guys started arguing and pushing and shoving each other because it was time for someone to take a lunch break, and the other person tried to take their break first, before the other guy, and you know how it is, when people are hungry and tired and they want to have a cigarette, they start getting grouchy and arguing a lot. So I immediately jumped in between them and tried to figure out why they were pushing and shoving each other, and since I was a girl, they stopped punching and they calmed down, and we had to settle the disagreement about who went to lunch first.

However, I didn't feel like I was making an ethical decision. I was stopping a fight so nobody got hurt, and then making sure everyone was able to take a break and get something to eat.

But whenever you expressed an opinion about people fighting, your opinion had to do with the ethics of it. You felt confident that he shouldn't be hitting a woman and that he was doing something wrong. I myself started asking a bunch of questions, such as, why would he want to hit her, could he possibly be right, could it be that she was doing something wrong to him? In that situation, I felt ethically weak and uncertain, and I would not have been confident expressing how I felt about it. But in that same situation you felt more confident of your opinion that it was definitely the wrong thing to do. That's only one example. It's similar to the other example I gave above with another incident where people were talking about rape.

I know it sounds strange, but, to some people, it really isn't obvious that it's wrong to punch somebody in a situation like that. Some people really don't feel sure about it one way or the other.

[Slacker]

I wish I could see this movie. Sometimes, iPads suck.

[Pa3s]

There was another time just recently when you had commented that somebody shouldn't be hitting a pregnant woman - it was on someone's blog just a day or two ago,...

I can see why you think this is an example for feeling. But I'm sure I find many thinkers who would have reaced in a similar way. Actually, I have the impression that thinkers often judge those things much stricter and call for severe punishments ("an eye for an eye"). Justice before mercy.

But whenever you expressed an opinion about people fighting, your opinion had to do with the ethics of it. You felt confident that he shouldn't be hitting a woman and that he was doing something wrong. I myself started asking a bunch of questions, such as, why would he want to hit her, could he possibly be right, could it be that she was doing something wrong to him?

Well, I was very confident about my opinion because I could not think of a case in it's okay to hit a pregnant women. If there was a certain reason he would have said this for clarification. Most people in our society despise men who beat women. In my opinion, the only case in which this would be acceptable is when you have to defend yourself and don't have any other choice. And the way he described the incident, it sounded like his friend was annoyed by her and "put her in her place" as he said it.

It's similar to the other example I gave above with another incident where people were talking about rape.

Yes, this was very similar indeed. If I remember correctly, someone said "she deserved it (to be raped)" which is obviously wrong in my opinion. Considering the definition of rape, nobody ever deserves that. This makes perfect sense to me.

I know it sounds strange, but, to some people, it really isn't obvious that it's wrong to punch somebody in a situation like that. Some people really don't feel sure about it one way or the other.

As I said, in both of those examples it was obvious to me that what was done was wrong and should be condemned. Other than that, yes I agree. It's not always definitely wrong if people fight.

[Nico1e]

Here is an example of something I noticed, but you weren't the one who said it. This was Bardia. I happened to see this because I was posting in the same thread, the one about 'intelligent people use more drugs.'

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...l=1#post816246

In that post, I noticed how he carefully read the article and questioned the facts. That seems like a 'thinker' thing to do. We could say that Bardia is mistyped and he's not really an ESI. However, I don't think so - I think he's typed correctly. I know lots of ESIs in real life - my mother, for instance - and they are very good at checking the facts when they read something. Actually, many ESIs that I know in real life are more thorough and more careful about checking facts than I myself am. I might skim over an article without really reading it carefully, and just say it's not important to me, and just get a vague impression of it. But the ESIs that I know in real life will often make an effort to read it carefully and make sure that everything in it is true and that the ideas are not misleading. This is something that I respect and appreciate when I see somebody doing this.

However, if we didn't know how to interpret it, we might say that it's 'thinking' behavior and we might type someone as a 'thinker' type because of it. This might actually be ethics combined with sensing. Someone reads something, looking for whether it's true or false, whether the author is honest or dishonest, trustworthy or untrustworthy, whether that author might be trying to mislead people by giving incorrect facts and giving twisted interpretations. So this might be someone looking for honesty and trustworthiness whenever they read.

I mentioned Bardia of course because he is typed as ESI. But his writing style does, in fact, seem similar enough to yours in some ways. And yet it would be difficult to type him online if all that I saw were his forum posts, because I wouldn't recognize that he was an ethical type who was trying to determine whether the authors were trustworthy or not.

[Pa3s]

I didn't not doubt that a feeler can analyze thoroughly and this stereotype (that they can't) wouldn't prevent me from typing as a feeler either. However, the arguments against that type which I posted before are still the same. And I don't really see strong arguments for ESI, except that you believe that I'm be a feeler.

[Beautiful sky]

I know it's difficult for you to see yourself because what Ni does is it says things without subjectively involving themselves into what they say, so I might try to show you what I'm talking about when I type you as ILI.

Hello dear forum members.
I decided to make my second video today
but, in german language so you can see how I actually talk
as a topic, I want to talk about how I got my current study path

This is where you start a journey and a process

Hence, you are a process type, eliminating all result types...

Result types are

ESE
LII
SLE
IEI
LIE
ESI
IEE
SLI

some of you may know that I study city planning in the second semester
the way to my study actually started in my childhood

another process statement.

I always liked to draw and I was
I'd say I realized early that I may choose a creative job
I was in middle school first, that means after the elementary school
from the 5th to my 10th school of year
and I never knew if I could actually do something artistic for a living later
of if it might be something else instead
until I took part in the design course of the grammar school, the last 3 years
I've learned different things there, for example photography, typography and interior design
many subjects were included
It was fun and it supported my wish to do something creative later
Drawing and designing was always fun, but I've never seen myself as an artist
mostly because the word “artist” has a negative connotation for me.
I'd say, everyone can call themselves “artist” basically, but that's not the way it works for me
for me personally, art is necessarily linked with outstanding skill
and so many people who call themselves artists today can't actually exist
and that's why I'm pretty critical if people use this term
but, nevertheless I chose a job in this field
after my time at the grammar school and together with my experiences from the design course
I finally wanted to become a product designer
those are people who design various things which are used everyday
they design cars, flatware, toys, pretty much anything you can think of
they can find jobs in private companies or otherwise
there are many possibilities of specialization, there are fashion designers
who could have started as product designer. Or furniture designers
the possibilities are almost unlimited
but besides that, I chose this study path because I'm also interested in technical things.
And product designers have something partly in common with technical designers in their job
the latter ones do work a lot more technical and since I was never a big fan of math or physics
it was always pretty unlikely that I'll become an engineer
basically because I know that engineers need a broad knowledge about the scientific basics
when the study path I wanted was clear, I applied at two nearer universities
I had to prepare aptitude tests for both, which appeared a little weird to me
while my teachers were very down to earth and gave me tasks which were reasonable
the tasks from the other schools appeared to be odd
the direct connection to reality was missing
one of the tasks was walking through the forest and trying to find things
“products from everyday life” they say
however, I chose the alternative and rebuilt an existing product as a model
it wasn't very difficult in the other school, we had to build objects from different materials
like rubber bands, cardboards, and wires for example
but those weren't actually products but rather objects without any purpose
I did it regardless of that, but later it seemed as both test results weren't good enough
since both schools rejected my application which surprised me a bit
because most of my works before was receive well
I wasn't shocked, but surprised nevertheless
but I already doubted if this job was something for me after all
I've said it before, the people who I met there didn't seem to be committed to it
and rather wanted to study something that sounds good
instead actually having fun inventing things or design them
I didn't like that at all, it appeared very pseudo-artistic to me
and it also misses the point in my opinion
Well, since this possibility wasn't interesting to me anymore, I thought about alternatives
and after I browsed through many study paths, I finally came to city planning
I'd like to add that architecture was always kind of dream job for me, especially as a child
however, architecture also needed knowledge in scientific fields and have very few job opportunities
especially in my home region
that means city planning wasn't too bad since you always need planners
and I think it combines my interests pretty well
I have to visualize things, work with layouts, work creatively
and other than that, I've to think about problems and find solutions
work constructively, draft plans. And this works pretty well for me.
Of course, I also doubted that this was the right way for me, especially when I started
but at the moment, I'm positive that it'll work out, and I like to do it right now
I'll have to see how it develops but that was basically the story
how I ended up doing this study path

All of the rest of the above is pure Ni with explaining cause and effect, algorithms, process and methods. Making you ILI.

[Pa3s]

Well, actually, I don't even deny that I'm a process type. It does fit better (at least most of the time), but there are always other things that prevent me from eliminating the non-process types. For instance, I would also say I'm much more of an asker than a declarer and judicious fits better than decisive, too.

How is one supposed to tell a story without using what you call Ni here (which is all over the text according to you)?

[Beautiful sky]

Well, actually, I don't even deny that I'm a result type. It does fit better (at least most of the time), but there are always other things that prevent me from eliminating the non-process types. For instance, I would also say I'm much more of an asker than a declarer and judicious fits better than decisive, too.

How is one supposed to tell a story without using what you call Ni here (which is all over the text according to you)?

I said you're a process type not a result type. You tell a story like a process thence a process type. You seem to get the opposite of what I'm trying to say to you.

[Pa3s]

I said you're a process type not a result type.

Sorry, just a typo.

[Beautiful sky]

Sorry, just a typo.

Perfectly ok, weak Se