There's no reason why contriaries shouldn't get along, they have compatible temperaments and they share your dual's thinking style - it's probably the best intra-club relationship. So I would never use "a good relationship with a contrary on an internet forum" as a good indicator that someone might actually be the dual of the type that now is defined as your contrary.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
I think that the 'quadra lounge' threads are really useful. I've started reading, and posting in, the delta lounge. You can clearly see that you are surrounded by people who understand you. They respond well to your comments, and they also say interesting things that you yourself respond to. You can sort of be yourself more in the quadra zones than you can in the main area.
I think that this kind of interaction influenced laghlagh/kassie to decide that she might not be an EII - if I recall, she had EII listed as her type for a while, but then when she interacted with deltas, it wasn't really working out, and right now, her type is unclear. (I was thinking of talking with her about it). So the quadra-only areas make it really obvious how people behave and how they interact with you. If you start saying something, and everyone ignores you or seems irritated, and this happens over and over again, you can reconsider being in that quadra.
This is strangely poetic. I could imagine this being written on a poster with a picture of tall buildings behind it.Originally Posted by Absurd
You know, maybe I'm not smoking crack. Every interaction suggests ESI to me, not LII. This thread is not yet settled.
Did you read the potential objections that have been posted?
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
"The possibilities are almost unlimited"
N
BTW, Nico1e, I claim that you are either EII or LII
ILE "Searcher"
Socionics: ENTp
DCNH: Dominant
--> perhaps Normalizing
Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
Astrological sign: Aquarius
To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.
Every interaction? If I'm ESI, what about my conflictors, the ILEs? Both Timeless and 1981slater are widely acknowledged as ILEs here and I don't have any problems with them. On the contratry, I find most of their posts quite amusing.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
Another pov is that me and Timeless are LIE, you ESI, Chewbacca SLI and Optimus Prime is not a truck.Every interaction? If I'm ESI, what about my conflictors, the ILEs? Both Timeless and 1981slater are widely acknowledged as ILEs here and I don't have any problems with them. On the contratry, I find most of their posts quite amusing.
ILE "Searcher"
Socionics: ENTp
DCNH: Dominant
Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
Astrological sign: Aquarius
To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.
Optimus Prime is not just a truck, it must be one of those Giga-Liners:
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
Well, I'm curious to see the first video, the one that you said was more sloppy or something than this one. I tried looking but didn't find it. Is it still up, and is it in the forum somewhere or is it on another page?
omg, the word 'frachtmonster' is hilarious! Freight Monster!
Sorry, I uploaded it in my photobucket account but I had bandwidth problems so I got rid of it. Now I don't know where I left it. But it was way shorter anyway and I think the impression you get from it was mostly similar.
Yeah, Germans always invent those punchy words for everything.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
he sais that he's a deep thinking hermit instead of a social person.
sounds a bit more LII to me than ESI.
Do you guys really want me to use force? Because I will. I will get in a war over this. I can bombard you with tons and tons of evidence if that's what it takes. Back down now, or get bombarded with evidence. Don't say I didn't warn you.
Okay, I'll work on it then. You guys asked for it.Do your worst.
I still think he's SLI.
You're developing a very deep bond with niffweed lately.
Germans often put two nouns together to create a new word - or at least, I notice them doing that. I studied German briefly when I was in college, and a little bit on my own when I was out of school. I don't remember much but I recognize a tiny bit here and there.Sorry, I uploaded it in my photobucket account but I had bandwidth problems so I got rid of it. Now I don't know where I left it. But it was way shorter anyway and I think the impression you get from it was mostly similar.
Yeah, Germans always invent those punchy words for everything.
Intergalactic Avenger
Intergalactic: Se, territory, spaces, physical realm
Avenger: Fi, one who rights wrongs, fights against evil
I read this quote this morning. There you were, MegaDoomer, innocently using the forum, when you said something that caught my attention. My alarms went off: not LII! So I decided to go look for your video and look through your old threads and really be thorough about it.
There are a lot of times when I am skipping through sentences without writing any comments, because I'm not always sure which IM element is being used. Sometimes it seems obvious that one particular element is being used, and other times it is not so obvious to me.
There are several more posts in the Star Wars Characters thread. This could be an LII using his role function a lot. It could be a SLI using the valued mobilizing function a lot. Or it could be an ESI using his base function a lot.Howling, shooting, half-intelligent pack animals?(Fi - a judgment of character?)
Well, my favourite characters are Jango/Boba Fett and Obi-Wan. The Fetts are interesting because they're intelligent individualists (what's this? would need to ask for more detail about what is 'intelligent' and what is an 'individualist,' what do those things mean to you and why do you admire them?) who always have a trick (Ne? Se?) up their sleeves. Jango's people are a nation of mercenaries which is also pretty cool. Obi-Wan is not a flawless person (Fi - static, long-lasting ethical traits, a good or bad person), but he tries really hard to do the right thing(Fi). He is a Jedi VIP (Se - very important person, high ranking, powerful) but is still humble (Fi - a good personality trait)enough not to be corrupted (Fi) by his power. In the 2nd and 3rd episode you clearly see the huge differences between Anakin and Obi-Wan in which he proves the strength of his character (Fi) in several situations. Anakin, on the other handside, is the character I disliked (Fi) from the beginning because of his inflated ego.
By the way, isn't there some kind of running joke about how Gammas stereotypically love discussing Star Wars?
Contrast this LII with MegaDoomer, both of whom answered another thread:
This is a lot more 'experiential,' remembering how it feels to go back and read old stuff. 'It depends,' more uncertainty, less categorical. This is an experience-based reply, which is very different from Trevor's categorical yes-or-no reply.
This could be a really laid-back, mellow LII just kinda chillin' out. It could be a SLI, remembering experiences and feelings. It could be an ESI, with strong demonstrative Si, equally able to recall and go back into a past experience, but not usually emphasizing or valuing Si.
Okay, I'll send off this post for now. This is enough to at least question the LII typing. However, it doesn't quite go far enough to question the SLI typing. I have a couple more threads that I will draw attention to.I agree. People often return to 'socionics is bullshit' as soon as their self-typing doesn't make sense anymore (Fi or Fe? paying attention to things that real people do, real people's attitudes and how they change over time - what is this?). But you don't have to understand everything to accept the system, imho (in my humble opinion - 'humble' is a way of saying 'no offense' - paying attention to how people feel when you talk to them). I think it's annoying if people still post here regularly but don't hesitate to say socionics is idiocy every time possible.(Fi? sounds like a complaint about people's hypocrisy, their values and attitudes - and by the way, I agree with you on this, it is annoying)
(And yeah, I don't mind doing this, because for various reasons I'm stuck sitting at a computer with nothing to do for a long time.)
Uh-oh. Evidence against me? I wonder what 'too holy' means. I'm not familiar enough with these games to know a lot about the characters and archetypes.
More Fi in a controversial locked thread. I'll put a link to it:
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...58&postcount=9
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...1&postcount=10
"A rape? Justified? Hell dude, are you retarded?"
"He definitely overstepped the mark here. It is not just plain dumb to say that there are situations where people deserve to be raped, it was also extremely offensive to Jenna."
Sounds like Fi. Who knows, could be an LII using their role function again.
I never posted in this thread. I am a SLI. I can tell you what thoughts were going through my head. I did not feel sure one way or the other about what was going on. I started thinking about books that I had read where somebody described the male perspective on rape. I started trying to think of ways where somebody might actually say that rape was justified.
MD on the other hand was very aware of people's feelings and how they were being affected by this incident. He felt strongly sure enough about this to express himself directly without hesitation. I myself would have hesitated and felt insecure expressing myself that way. This incident suggests to me that he is much more secure using Fi than I am.
He could possibly be a SLI. Another SLI might say that, even if I myself would hesitate or feel uncertain. However, it suggests once again that maybe he is an ESI using his base function.
As for conflicts with your conflictors, the ILEs, I have an example from my experience. There is someone in this forum who I admire and respect very much, and her name is Golden, and if I recall correctly, she is an EIE. She and I had a couple conversations a while back about something, and our conversations went very well, and we solved the problem that was going on.
But, from what I understand of the conflictor relation, if you two spent large amounts of time together, or lived in the same house, or had one person dependent on the other person, then conflicts would arise about how decisions were being made. So you wouldn't have to stop talking to all your conflictors, and they wouldn't be 'the enemy' or anything. I myself would talk to EIEs a lot more, except it seems as though there aren't very many of them on this forum, and they aren't very active. I actually enjoy reading them for a different point of view.
But yeah, it is actually true that they might feel differently about you if they think that your type is ESI, and if that would happen, I'm sorry about that.
Anyway, you don't have to agree with any of this, especially because, as I've said before, I make a lot of mistakes.
"Only use the force if you have to."
just an example:
Intergalactic: Ne, vastness, broadness instead of deepness, including the whole galaxy
Avenger: Ti, Seeker of justice, creator of order
Well, I wouldn't have said it in his face that I think he looks creepy.
So you see a lot of Fi, ok.
Alphas stereotypically like to discuss sci-fi stuff.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
What you do here is dismantling my posts and looking for evidences for your theory. But I think you're going way too much into detail and disregard the big picture. In my opinion, I'm not nearly good enough at manipulating my personal relationships with people to be Fi-leading. I've already told you that Se-ego seems unlikely.
This is the description of the SF-club in Wikisocion:
The bolded part doesn't fit.When a group consists of members of this club, but without either of the two quadras having greater weight, its interactions are likely to be based on enjoying conversations over their families and personal relationships, artistic and sensorial interests such as cooking, gossip, and group social activities such as parties, dancing, travels and sportive activities. It's the stereotypical "women's group", although obviously such clubs formed only of men also exist, with common activities and interests usually focused around sports or, depending on the age structure, partying, clubbing and the like.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
Compare him (MegaDoomer) to Bardia, who is another democratic IJ with a realtively similar "vibe" but whose type pertains to the SF club. You'll be able to see both the big similairities (composure, perceived energy levels) and differences (preferred topics, logical vs ethical prefernce towards value-setting, etc.).
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
going just by visual cues and foregoing any interpretations, the way you present yourself reminds me of the pics in the third row in this thread that Timeless has posted, you have that same sort of self-controlled composure
^ I've said in this thread that two people of the IP-row remind me of myself. But in the video, I look more tense and upright than I thought.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
Are you stirring the pot for fun or reactions?
Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
@n1cole
Did you read my earlier post?
MD is right in that you are focussing too deeply on the details. Detail orientation is necessary, but see from other angles as well. Likewise, take note of IM interpretation. Fi is about ethics, but ti is about justice. You will notice Fi saying something like "Obi is a good guy!' Ti on the other hand will say 'Obi is respected for doing this despite this because etc' Ti's weigh, but Fi's judge.@N1cole
You have very interesting perspectives, but as a form of feedback, I believe you can improve your typing by taking a more holistic view of the person. Attack every typing you support as harshly as possible.
E.g. ESI? He hardly demonstrates Se, his facial expressions are so soft, they are clearly Si/Ne. His Fi is very 'role' in a sense that he seems very polite, very proper in a sense, so much so that you cannot imagine him backbiting someone or reprimanding someone very harshly over an ethical issue. Hardly Fi-Lead paired with Se creative. LIE's go well with him? LIE's go well with anybody who talks reason with practical applications > subjective emotional imaginary bull. Reading his posts throughout this forum confirms that he is definitely of a thinker type. He is so open to suggestions, willing to change his mind (although it's already made up), and able to deflect arguments well without being personally insulted. ESIs will never be able to handle something like that without going off track or feeling personally attacked (feeling as if someone told them their thinking is weak or something). You notice that he keeps everything almost impersonal, but still gives off a very friendly, positive air. Clearly Fe>Fi; not allowing people to infringe on personal space past a certain point while valuing positive emotional relations. Almost everyone interacts with him on that level. Fi's on the other hand allow some people to get VERY close to them while keeping everyone else far away at different, but chosen, lengths. That's the diff between Fi role and ego; one can work according to each scenario, while another is based on general rules. You will generally see an Fi being EXPLICITLY closer to some people in the same thread than others, while almost everyone interacts with MD at a similar interpersonal distance regardless of familiarity.
^ This is what I'll do if I'm trying to type someone; (assuming setting up the argument/proposal is already done,) first attacking the argument before coming to a conclusion. I'm not trying to be harsh to you at all, but that's my tone when it comes to my own arguments If you practice ruthlessness on your own, chances are you produce sounder results.
However, I encourage your inquisitive attitude and your courage to speak out against popular opinion. This will serve you (and the community well) once your ability to type soundly is further developed.
N1cole, you've good attitude but do improve your holistic assessment skills as well as your IM and functions understanding soon!
She is wiseWhy I love LSEs:
beyond words
beautiful within
her soul
brighter than
the sun
lovelier than
love
dreams larger
than life
and does not
understand the
meaning of no.
Because everything
through her, and in her, is
"Yes, it will be done."
A couple years ago I was put in charge of decorating the college for Valentine's Day. I made some gorgeous, fancy decorations from construction paper, glue, scissors, and imagination. Then I covered a couple cabinets with them. But my favorite was the diagram of a human heart I put up. So romantic!
My randumb datumz on Br'er Doomer:
- Enjoys discussing ideas. - T
- Doesn't usually get flustered by opposition to his ideas or become haughty or defensive. - Well adjusted, IP>IJ, Ignoring-Se
- Yields readily to better information. - Irrational
- Dry and subdued persona, though generally upbeat without being what I regard as obnoxious. - Te/Fi
- Seeks to proactively improve and preserve society's material conditions through social-democratic technocratic policy that values environmental concerns (if memory serves me correctly). - Modern German, duh; probably Si/Te/Fi.
- For what it's worth, felt moved by a video from a Russian typology site of a supposed female IEE crying. Attraction to known or suspected ESEs hasn't been noted by me, and I get the impression he'd be a bit embarrassed by some of their goofier antics.
- Realistic and grounded outlook, not given to wild flights of fancy, at least outwardly to my knowledge, though enjoys sci-fi and other fantastic diversions. Si/Te, DS-Ne.
- Isn't passive-aggressive or prone to projection or provocation - Fi>Fe, probably from a stable home
- In some senses is given to thinking of present societal conditions as closely resembling those of the fairly recent past, i.e. it is now as it has been (though this ain't really true even within the span of the last two or three decades by dint of internets and cell phones and globalism and whatnot) - I'd chalk this up to youthful inexperience but also possibly a preference for S>N since it doesn't consider origins and implications of phenomena within a more extensive spatio-temporal/causal context.
- Doesn't have his head jammed up his ass or march about in a superhero cape, nor does he begin lying or performing contortions when shown to be wrong. - Sane, humble, reasonable, and not Ti/Fe
Between the aforementioned and etc. etc. etc. my best guess is Te-SLI.
Or in other words, the kind of presentation any emotionally stable, reasonable person will give you.
So Ti/Fe in your view is equivalent to being passive-aggressive, prone to projection, not humble, unreasonable and insane.
Biased in favor of your own functions much?
Nobody asked me, but I'm guessing that k0rp isn't really saying that the IEs are specific objectively-measurable sentiments in and of themselves. The way I interpret it, he's speaking about the IEs solely from his own perspective as an irrational, non-Fe/Ti type. The reactions he's describing are not depictions of the elements themselves as much as they are indirect, personally-relevant indicators of the IEs in question.
What if I said yes?
No more than you are, darling dear.Biased in favor of your own functions much?
There are plenty examples of people not getting along with individuals within their own quadra while being on amiable terms with people from opposing quadra. These kind of personal, highly subjective statements hardly substantiate Megadoomer's typing.
Sure. Do tell just in how much regard you hold Ti/Fe.
proof?
It would be quite silly to think otherwise.
Let's not mistake product for process. The content and tone of the statements don't necessarily have to reflect my observations and analysis, particularly if they're presented such that unwary and reactive individuals who over-identify with their alpha- or beta-ness might be lured into providing me with entertainment. So thanks for being the one. It's a good thing nico1e figured out I was SLE as it cements our union for all time.These kind of personal, highly subjective statements hardly substantiate Megadoomer's typing.
Good looking out, cult brother *secret fist bump*, but I'm actually describing common traits I find irksome in persons who just happen to instantiate Ti/Fe. (but keep this on the DL, braheim: gammas and deltas are sometimes irritating like this, too) Whether that cognitive orientation correlates with the aforementioned behaviors is yet unknown. EDIT: My mind obviously departed my brain for a while as I completely misread what you said. Your interpretation is accurate.
Last edited by Korpsy Knievel; 09-09-2011 at 11:55 AM. Reason: pushing a brainfart back in
The really rib-tickling part about this is that socionics is the study of human inter-relations, but only when it isn't inconvenient to winning arguments on the internet. *smooch*
MD is clearly SEXI type. There's no way anyone can bring that down.
Thread closed.
She is wiseWhy I love LSEs:
beyond words
beautiful within
her soul
brighter than
the sun
lovelier than
love
dreams larger
than life
and does not
understand the
meaning of no.
Because everything
through her, and in her, is
A couple years ago I was put in charge of decorating the college for Valentine's Day. I made some gorgeous, fancy decorations from construction paper, glue, scissors, and imagination. Then I covered a couple cabinets with them. But my favorite was the diagram of a human heart I put up. So romantic!
Yep, saw the earlier post. I've been having a weirdness attack that makes me, and my typings.... rather unreliable at the moment. So that's why I didn't continue yet. And I never do much on the days when I'm working at McD, but I come to the forum a lot more on Monday-Wednesdays. It'll be a couple more days then before I get back into the battle.
But actually, I'm planning to continue doing detailed text analysis the way I've been doing, and I'm going to perfect my skill at it. I will get better and better at recognizing the occurrence of the IM elements within a block of text. That will be the method that I am known for. Not many other people here seem to be doing it that way, so that will be the characteristic Nicole Method of typing people. I enjoy using that method and I think I will become good at doing it that way.
And of course it's best if I analyze a piece of text that someone is proud of, or that someone consents to letting me analyze, rather than analyzing something awful that they're ashamed of, which would cause everyone to be analyzing their weaknesses over and over again (unless someone *asks* me to do that type of text analysis). (Er, kind of like when I went after you and said I thought you were an EIE, Reuben.)
But anyway, detail-focused is going to be the Nicole Way. In fact, I will get even *more* detail-focused, so that not a single word escapes my notice. Well... okay, unless I feel lazy that day.
Based on the video primarily, I'd say you are LII, but I'm not 100% sure to be honest.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
Not all T types like doing that.
More related to Fe PoLR -having/remaining composure at the face of external emotional expressions
Adaptable, somewhat related to Irrationality
That's a good one.
Any type can want to do this but better relations to Te/Fi.
Isn't "Realistic"/Empirical more in line with Se valuing as opposed to Si/Ne?
Thinker types do tend to be logical rather than emotional.
Again Ni/Se relation
I agree
Mine would be ILI
Dual type
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I doubt that's correct.Mine would be ILI
And not only do I enjoy guessing types my way, but also, after watching almost an entire forum full of people, with hardly any exceptions, type Korpsey as an ILI instead of a Se-base (SEE or SLE - I think I saw one person type him as a SEE and I agree with that for now), I shall continue going against the crowd, if I believe that they are mistaken about something and I'm right about it.
Plus, if I were right and if MD was an ESI, then typing him as an LII would be a 'Mistyping of Highest Concern.' In other words that would suck. You would be throwing a Gamma ESI directly into the midst of the Opposing Quadra, Alpha, with a bunch of conflictors and superegos and other people who would, basically, rip that person to shreds, without meaning to, and without understanding why it was happening and why nobody was able to get along with each other.
It would make it impossible for him to use socionics to understand any of his intertype relations. In order for him to get by, he would have to simply give up on socionics altogether and follow his instincts, which is fine, because that's what humans did for millions of years before socionics existed. The belief system would just be discarded and he would say something along the lines of 'Socionics is BS. I'm an LII, and I fell in love with my Extinguisher the LIE (or Contrary or whatever it's called) and I don't care what socionics has to say about that relation, I'm in love.'
(By the way Megadoomer, this isn't about you personally, I'm doing this because I've sort of gone on a mission to fix mistakes and mistypings.)
too normal to be an alpha
But...you're probably not experienced enough (yet) to go on such a crusade. Your typings does not seem to be spot on, at the moment. Maybe you should postpone your plan until you have gotten more experienced at typing (which is NOT the whole deal with "socionics" - only a very small part of the package).
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
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