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    sorry for largely stating the obvious here but i'm working stuff out in my head and curious for what others might say.

    so a post in the thread about Fe polr made me think about how somebody thinking of Fe polr as lack of tact might see somebody being an asshole and type them Fe polr when actually the person is pretty aware of and aims toward provoking others' emotions and pretends not to know any better. so yeah, hence the problem that comes up when typing by behavior and stuff. but how do you tell the difference between somebody saying something hurtful because they lack tact and someone saying something hurtful because they're being a jerk? especially if lack of tact can be cited as an excuse? for me, i could probably point to little things within the particular context, like pointing out how the hurtful thing they said didn't serve a particularly constructive purpose or the timing of it or something...but mostly its just a feeling that i guess comes about from having some interpersonal awareness in the first place. so i just end up falling back on my feelings/instincts anyway.

    i've seen socionics described as a tool for helping people who lack awareness of people and relationships. how helpful is it in this situation really? how much interpersonal awareness do you need to accurately type and analyze in the first place? how often is trusting your feelings over socionics actually a problem because of goofy perception stuff like projection, and in what scenarios is this more likely to happen? please discuss.

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    most of people get confused and suffer a malus to their instinctive understanding of human psychology by applying socionics. there is a select group among which i am a member, though, that can apply the theory successfully and use it to expand the intuitive grasp. i know of only two people on this forum who also possess the ability, and neither of them still posts these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    most of people get confused and suffer a malus to their instinctive understanding of human psychology by applying socionics. there is a select group among which i am a member, though, that can apply the theory successfully and use it to expand the intuitive grasp. i know of only two people on this forum who also possess the ability, and neither of them still posts these days.
    Define what is "apply theory successfully" to you.

    As for me I try not to apply socionics at all as far as the real life goes. Im pretty sure my intuition is better than any model in this and with the way life is going so far I have pretty good reason to think so. I might think in terms of "he is probably type XXXx" or "she is probably a Se type" or ponder upon someone looking XXXx. Neither of that directly influences my everyday life though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by No Longer a Dating Site View Post
    Define what is "apply theory successfully" to you.

    As for me I try not to apply socionics at all as far as the real life goes. Im pretty sure my intuition is better than any model in this and with the way life is going so far I have pretty good reason to think so. I might think in terms of "he is probably type XXXx" or "she is probably a Se type" or ponder upon someone looking XXXx. Neither of that directly influences my everyday life though.
    I agree with this. I have found a few areas where it's helpful, but mainly just a sense of understanding that the way I think isn't the best or only way, and that people who think differently are just different, not worse. Also in parenting I think not assuming your children should become little mini-mes and appreciating their own personality, even when there is potential conflict, as in say if you are Ti polr and have a child with cre Ti.

    But I think if what you are taking from socionics is that you are better, smarter, or more evolved than everyone else (see a couple of posts above), you are deluding yourself and not really understanding it. Oh, and a bit immature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    lol

    Yeah I agree with the intuition thing, and I try not to think much about it and just accept people for themselves, or rather accept people for how I intuitively feel about them without overanalyzing it. As far as socionics type, I don't see 'meanness' as that type related. ie why should Te/Ti dominants be the 'nice' or 'respectful' ones and Fi/Fe PoLRs be the 'mean' or 'careless' ones? Doesn't work out that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poli View Post
    lol

    Yeah I agree with the intuition thing, and I try not to think much about it and just accept people for themselves, or rather accept people for how I intuitively feel about them without overanalyzing it. As far as socionics type, I don't see 'meanness' as that type related. ie why should Te/Ti dominants be the 'nice' or 'respectful' ones and Fi/Fe PoLRs be the 'mean' or 'careless' ones? Doesn't work out that way.
    so socionics describes something you already see? or what use do you get from it?

    and yeah meanness is meanness and F polr is F polr...i was trying to convey that in my post but i guess it didnt come across how i wanted it.

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