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    Not the real elements, the Greek ones. What is your type and do you identify best with water, earth, air, or fire? I'm looking for a correlation with socionics.

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    EII

    like/identify most to least:

    earth
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    fire
    air

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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    EII

    like/identify most to least:

    earth
    water
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    Same here!

    As an LSE, I identify with earth, then water. I've never been comfortable with air.

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    type unclear,

    like/identify most to least:

    earth
    air
    water
    fire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Not the real elements, the Greek ones. What is your type and do you identify best with water, earth, air, or fire? I'm looking for a correlation with socionics.
    I would say that I've always identified with water the most. The flexibility of shape to adapt to the container holding it, the flow around obstacles in its path, the undercurrents despite a seemingly calm surface, etc. It has always felt as if it described me, as well as my ideal.

    Over time, due to feeling spread so thinly, I began learning a little about shoring up a bit as well as how to direct the flow.

    I like the groundedness of earth people, and am usually attracted them. But I think I tend to prefer those who are more..uh..muddy than dry. Dry earth will resist water, or even the water will pass right through. But with mud there's enough clayiness to allow more water to be added, or for various forms to be built, with the option of reshaping as needed.

    There are times, however, when I feel as if my sense of flow and adaptability has dissipated into a random chaotic mess (airy). This is usually done towards the peaking part of a manic phase (firey). At these times it helps if I find some sense of grounding, something to cling to, to recenter on thru that chaotic mess. At which time the condensation process occurs as things calm down, as my mind calms down, as I pull myself back together, and I regain the ability to flow again.
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    Nice response, ann. I've personally always felt a connection to mud. On the way to college today I realized that, though I like water, I don't really have any grounds to associate myself with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Nice response, ann. I've personally always felt a connection to mud. On the way to college today I realized that, though I like water, I don't really have any grounds to associate myself with it.
    Some cool things about mud is that
    a) it's not going to crumble when hit by a torrent, nor will it try to force the water to fit a pre-determined shape;
    b) it's got some give, some cushioning, allowing some groundedness to coincide with some flexibility of form;
    c) a mud person and a water person can work great together, without either over-needing the other. Win-win
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    I used to identify with Water due to the idea of mutability and formlessness.

    It works just as well for Earth's all-encompassing nature.

    I associate Ne with air

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Egbert Human View Post
    I associate Ne with air
    I associate with air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    type unsure

    like/identify most to least:

    Water
    Air
    Earth
    Fire

    EDIT: Found this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nil View Post
    EDIT: Found this.
    That associates water with NT. I can't accept that.

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    Type undecided. -ego, possibly Delta NF.

    Water - Strong connection. I love the sound of water in motion. Also... I guess water seems "deep and emotional" to me. It's hard to describe the connection.

    Fire - Speaking figuratively, there is, and always has been, a flame inside me. It was buried beneath ice somewhere along the way, and I'm working on recovering it.

    Air - I identify more with "wind" than "air". I think of it as gentle and playful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    I think of it as gentle and playful.
    Wind/air, same idea to me, but wind is more adventurous. I like earth (mountains and shrubbery) and sun, secondly when combined with wind. Wind goes better with sun and earth, but sometimes wind and water meet to make storm, or earth, wind and fire meet to make wildfire. Since wind and earth are my favorite, I try to not to introduce the impressionable fire.

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    Fire 23 %
    Water 36 %
    Wood 6 %
    Earth 13 %
    Metal 20 %
    These are your personality results.
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    Blue Mana - Islands

    White Mana - Plains

    Green Mana - Forests

    Red Mana - Mountains

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    I think its necassary to state what i feel the elements represent.

    Fire - Energy, active, bursty, consuming, pertaining to thought and the engaging of idea into motion. Edgy. Shapes Air. Burns Earth, forcing growth. Rarely interacts with Water, and when it does its bad. But i assume resembles water in function.

    Type example - SLE

    Air - Whistful, imaginative, head in the clouds, the median by which idea's are concocted. Abstract, of intellectual Capacity. Feeds & fans Fire. Causes storms over water, but also forces water to precipatate, which is good for water. Rarely interacts with earth directly, but resembles earth in function.

    Type example - IEI

    Water - Continuous, emotional depth and a volatile surface, water pressure fosters resolve the deeper you are. Deep, of emotional capacity. Submerges Air causing the head in the clouds to form deep opinions, but also quarrels with Hot Air. Shapes Earth. Fizzles Fire, although it resembles fire in that its a shaper.

    Type Example - IEE

    Earth - Grounded, Firm, and stable. Down to earth, lives in the physical realm. Loves Stereo systems and shoes. Rarely interacts with Air, but mountains make them feel grounded. Contains water and provides the foundation that allows water to shape earth. Fire can cause Mountains to grow, but normally earth getting burned causes the grass to grow quicker.

    Type Example - LSE


    With all that said - i feel that i relate to Air(Ego),Water(ID),Fire(Super ID), Earth(Super-ego). In that order as an IEI. I also feel like i was raised in a very Water-y environment being raised by a single mother with only female siblings.

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    How do you know it is this way ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    How do you know it is this way ?
    ...*Looks around, see's no one*...

    Me?

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    What other types do you think could be represented predominately by fire, air, water, and earth, respectively?

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    Hmm I guess I kind of see earth through wind, which is why earth also feels wistful to me. Water also gives earth some flavor.

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    Difficult question.

    Caliban is compounded of earth and water, while Ariel is made of fire and air. And while everyone would like to think of him- or herself as a creature of the air, well, it is awfully late to be airy; it would seem it is time to think of the earth.

    So, I suppose my answer is that while I would love to be air and then fire and then water and then earth (or perhaps reorder water and fire...? Water vapor perhaps?), I recognize that everyone is first and foremost earth, and then sparked with breath (air). So we are constantly inconstantly vacillating between the two.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

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    Either fire or water. Obviously water is the most powerful.
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    I'm writing a book about this very topic:

    Chapter 1: Pure Auric Colors And Their Representative elements.

    Each of the 8 final fantasy elements, has what I call a ‘Pure Auric Color’ behind them, that is the color of their true source being. For example:

    White Fire: The real color behind all fire is white, which represents its powerful purifying and transformative power. Fire is really holy, and white is holy, and it makes sense because both Holy and Fire is strong against Undead creatures. It’s not to be confused with the other Holy element, which is more about Holy in its pure raw form. White Fire is what you get when you channel the Holy power into a more specific energy. Because of course, each person’s transformation is subjective.

    Black Ice: The opposite of Fire is Ice, so if Fire is White then Ice is really black- which represents Ice’s protective and shadowy nature. Ice also happens the most in winter, a time when everything is darker for a longer period of time - so the pure color behind all Ice is indeed black.

    Purple Lightning: Lightning is of course shocking, so it needs something that ‘stands out’ that goes with that shocking nature, and a neon purple definitely stands out and jumps at you at the page. Although people think of Lightning as yellow, that’s just an optical illusion- the real soul color of lightning is purple.

    Pink Earth: ‘Mother Earth’ and all its nature is inherently a feminine energy, and Pink is known as a feminine energy, so behind all the veils Earth is represented as Pink. Although Hot Pink can be a ‘strong color’ of sorts, regular pink IS in fact feminine, because it has a calming effect on people, and of course it’s the color of stereotypical gay man-isms. (Earth Shaman, Mother Nature Whole Energy of all = Pink) Pink also complements brown, at first the earth seems like it’s caked in a lot of brown but the true soul behind all of that is pink.

    Green Water: Green represents peace, tranquility and healing, and Water of course also has these properties. Water looks Blue to the regular eye, but its raw power is really Green, and Blue-Green together represents the color force of pure druidic nature. Green is also the color of diplomacy, and Water is the most diplomatic element, as so much life springs forth from water. Water is inherently healing and protective, not offensive – but enough Water can indeed move rocks and hurt people. ((But usually only combined with other elements like Wind and Lightning))

    Orange Wind: Orange sky, orange is very blatant and stands out and when wind comes and hits your face you well, feel it. It stands out, and effects you. Not as much as red though of course, Orange is gentler than Red, but it still stands out and it is inherently offensive. Orange Wind is the whisper behind some of the more gentler elements to become much more aggressive. Orange can also be used to protect though (Orange energy shields forged from Wind are not uncommon), but it still errs on the side of destruction and not creation. Makes sense, as it’s in the middle between Yellow and Red, but more Red-like then Yellow-like.

    Blue Holy: The inferno of all creation first began with electric blue, and it’s objectively also depression (and it’s also diplomatic like Green). Blue is something that dilutes and ties down. Stereotypically, Blue is known as the ‘Sad color’, reminiscent of empathetic Saints with martyr faces. Holy is the diluting force behind all superpowers and something that drags everything down into sadness, and base empathy as well as humanity. It all began with Blue, and it’s the pure color of Holy Source Energy. Blue color is also the color of academia intellectualization, and we all know they are goody goodies that would never hurt a ****** just for being a ******.

    Red Shadow: Aggression, destruction and well just plain evil! – Red makes you fight, and makes you do things, and act on your own individual will, and of course it’s the opposite of Blue. (Blue Alliance, Red Horde) Red is the color of individual sex, lust, and sin, and represents somebody getting their own needs met. Romance is Red PLUS White together (and Pink too), because the White and Pink idealizes the Red and makes the passion palatable to God’s eyes. Red on it’s own is the color of pure hate, and when not followed cautiously, simply destroys all relationships. Red is the color of pure Narcissism (Gilly and Renee Hunt’s base element!) So understandably, red has a bad reputation.


    Therefore, the Good elements in the world are: Pink, Green, Blue and White and the Evil elements are: Black, Orange, Red and Purple. Black and Orange and Red together is of course the color of Halloween Evil energy. The earth is naturally balanced with both Good and Evil energy.

    Where’s Yellow in all this ? Yellow is being yellow. Yellow isn’t specific. It can’t be specific. Yellow causes all things to be drained and fatigued when you look at it, just like when your eyes look up at the sun. Yellow is yellow, and doesn’t represent a specific element. The auric color behind yellow is well, yellow!!! For this reason, yellow brings everything together and Father-ishly dilutes super powers like Blue, but in a much stronger way, and returns back all subjective magical super powers (which are feminine in nature) back to their original source: Our Yellow-Father God. The male Sun God is of the realization of our Oneness Humanity. Yellow is all about objective substance and celibate masculine energy.

    SO here’s how the colors were first created, really. You have Yellow, the All-Knowing Narcissistic Male energy that everything comes from, this is God. Then you have Blue Holy, which is the base empathetic sadness behind all humanity. (Guilt and Empathy). Then you have Red Shadow and Orange Wind, which represents human’s individual will because force love is rape. Now people are fighting too much and you need peace, so the grounding Pink Earth comes in the middle as the ultimate mediator and diplomat. (4 colors behind Pink and 4 colors ahead of Pink) Green Water is not far behind.

    Now people are bored with all the hippie fag love and peace and just want something to SHOCK THEM ALREADY. So Purple Lightning comes and shocks them! But the straight porn like shock jock energy inevitably triggers black ice, and dilutes their spirits. And sends them spiraling down into a serious depression.

    Now you have Black 2nd to last because it’s always darkest before dawn. In order to effectively empower somebody you need a lot of Black or the upliftment will not feel earned!!!

    Yellow>>>Blue>>>Red>>>Orange>>>Pink>>>Green>>>Purp le>>>Black>>>White

    The final color is White which is the color of ultimate liberation and transformation. (And is also Holy, like Blue) It’s an end, but also a New Beginning. When Willow empowered the potential Slayers, her hair turned white- because she was mocking the condescending judgment of her own Red Shadow in the previous season. She was making light of her own drug addiction, instead of getting rid of it. She was accepting the evil in loving arms, instead of hating the evil, which is what the evil wants you to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsey View Post
    And?
    Just stereotypes, I thought ILIs are in favour of free market or something and this guy was/is loved by marxists for his dialectical component.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    I dont know its that way.
    Oh I see. I'm fifth element, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Just stereotypes, I thought ILIs are in favour of free market or something
    Free markets certainly sound nice. Care to show me one?

    and this guy was/is loved by marxists for his dialectical component.
    Quite funny considering what's known of his class and politics:

    • According to one account, he inherited the honorific title and office of “king” of the Ionians, which he resigned to his brother. He is generally considered to have favored aristocratic government as against democracy, based on his own political observations.
    • Evidently he trusts the few and distrusts the many. He sees good laws as being reflections of universal principles: "Speaking with sense we must fortify ourselves in the common sense of all, as a city is fortified by its law, and even more forcefully. For all human laws are nourished by the one divine law. For it prevails as far as it will and suffices for all and is superabundant."
    • In political theory he maintains that one good man is worth ten thousand ordinary people. He criticizes his fellow citizens for banishing a distinguished leader: "The adult citizens of Ephesus should hang themselves, every one, and leave the city to children, since they have banished Hermodorus, a man pre-eminent among them, saying, Let no one stand out among us; or let him stand out elsewhere among others."


    So much for the dictatorship of the proles.

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    Haha, don't make the same mistake as Ashton and CP calling me marxist risking sounding tad aristocratic, this is indeed a socionics forum. I just happen to know something.

    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsey View Post
    Free markets certainly sound nice. Care to show me one?
    I think Ashton spoke in favour of Somalia last time I have had pleasure talking to him.

    Quite funny considering what's known of his class and politics
    Yea, that's what confused me a bit seeing you cite him.

    So much for the dictatorship of the proles.
    Hehe yes, so much for maoists. Good one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Haha, don't make the same mistake as Ashton and CP calling me marxist risking sounding tad aristocratic, this is indeed a socionics forum. I just happen to know something.
    Point out where I stated or implied that you're a marxist.

    Yea, that's what confused me a bit seeing you cite him.
    I cited Heraclitus solely for his thoughts on substance theory and his holistic resolution of antinomies. His political views weren't considered within this context and until you mentioned it I was unaware the commie set had appropriated him as a mascot. Though Heraclitus states that the universe is composed of an eternal fire he also makes repeated appeals to an ultimate cosmic order, so it's still unclear whether he's even a proper monist, let alone a materialist. That makes marxist dialecticians' claims to his legacy questionable at best. So in light of all that, your objection would make sense if it made any sense.

    Hehe yes, so much for maoists. Good one
    So much for you sticking with your original comment about marxists rather than trying to slither off your hook by bringing up Mao's marxism-inspired comedy.

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