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    i'm interested in the types of some actors Christopher Nolan has worked with multiple times in his films. i put some guesses down, but i want to know what other people think.


    Christopher Nolan (LSI?)



    Christian Bale (LSI)
    The Prestige, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises



    Michael Caine (i think he's been typed ESI before?)
    The Prestige, Inception, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises



    Cillian Murphy (IEI?)
    Inception, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight



    Ken Watanabe (LSI)
    Inception, Batman Begins



    Joseph Gordon-Levitt (ILE?)
    Inception, The Dark Knight Rises



    Tom Hardy (SLE?)
    Inception, The Dark Knight Rises



    Morgan Freeman (ESI?)
    Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises



    Marion Cotillard (XEI?)
    Inception, The Dark Knight Rises
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    I thought he is LSI or LII. At least Ti ego and valuing.

    The major theme in most of his movies is the futility and meaningless of revenge, although powerful and compelling. His other themes are justice and the never-ending search for it.

    Another common thread in his films is the death of a leading lady(onscreen and offscreen), Batman, Memento, Inception, Prestige, etc. Any relationships in his films tend to end in death, either before the movie begins or during the movie.

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    bump, added Marion Cotillard
    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    I thought he is LSI or LII. At least Ti ego and valuing.

    The major theme in most of his movies is the futility and meaningless of revenge, although powerful and compelling. His other themes are justice and the never-ending search for it.

    Another common thread in his films is the death of a leading lady(onscreen and offscreen), Batman, Memento, Inception, Prestige, etc. Any relationships in his films tend to end in death, either before the movie begins or during the movie.
    yeah. i just re-watched Batman Begins... i was really struck by the process of Bruce Wayne becoming Batman - he carefully and purposefully crafts his image to have a certain effect ("theatrical" and intimidating to his enemies), but at the same time the Batman persona is highly symbolic and holds a lot of deep personal meaning to him - his beliefs, purpose in life, and even his own internal struggles with his fears and his guilt. also addressed is the issue of authenticity, the paradox of having to wear a mask while acting on one's true inclinations. it all seems very Beta to me.

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    Christopher Nolan (LSI?) ESTP
    Christian Bale (LSI) agree
    Michael Caine (i think he's been typed ESI before?) SEE
    Cillian Murphy (IEI?) ENTP(?)
    Ken Watanabe (LSI) ESTP(?)
    Joseph Gordon-Levitt (ILE?) ILE(?)
    Tom Hardy (SLE?) SLE(?)
    Morgan Freeman (ESI?) ILE
    Marion Cotillard (XEI?) SEI(?)
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Christopher Nolan: LSI is possible, and i'm sure about ti-ego for him, but ti-ego more in beta style, it's easy to see in his films
    Christian Bale: LSI-EIE, he's definitely rational, and &-valuing
    Michael Caine: Gamma SF
    Cillian Murphy IEI, the obvious
    Ken Watanabe: LSI, no objections ; dd
    Joseph Gordon-Levitt: some Ej, ENXj
    Tom Hardy: ESTx? dunno
    Morgan Freeman: ESE
    Marion Cotillard: ILE

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    What is the reasoning behind LSI for Bale?


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    Christopher Nolan: Fe-ENFj
    Christian Bale: Ti-ENTp
    Michael Caine: Te-ESTj
    Cillian Murphy: ?
    Ken Watanabe: ISTj. Reminds me of Yul Brynner as well
    Joseph Gordon-Levitt: Fi-ENFp
    Tom Hardy: ESTp
    Morgan Freeman: Ne-INFj
    Marion Cotillard: ?

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    bump, IMO

    Christopher Nolan - Ti-LII
    Christian Bale - Ti-ILE
    Michael Caine Te-LSE
    Cillian Murphy Fe-IEI
    Ken Watanabe Se-LSI
    Joseph Gordon-Levitt Ne-IEE
    Tom Hardy Ti-SLE
    Morgan Freeman Ne-EII
    Marion Cotillard Fe-SEI
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    Christopher Nolan - Fe-ENFj
    Christian Bale - Ti-ENTp
    Michael Caine - Te-ESTj
    Cillian Murphy - Ni-INFp
    Ken Watanabe - Se-ISTj
    Joseph Gordon Levitt - Fi-ENFp
    Tom Hardy - Ti-ESTp
    Morgan Freeman - Ne-INFj
    Marion Cotillard - Ti-ISTj

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    Good thread. I see a lot of and logic > ethics in Nolan's movies, so I would guess ILI, LSI, or maybe LII. What about SLE for Christian Bale? I can't decide. Caine is LSI > ESI IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Good thread. I see a lot of and logic > ethics in Nolan's movies, so I would guess ILI, LSI, or maybe LII. What about SLE for Christian Bale? I can't decide. Caine is LSI > ESI IMO.
    I think LSI or LII because of his usual deprioritization of vengeance and revenge for justice. All the vengeance in his stories are tragic. He also works majority of the time with Ti valuing types. I always enjoyed his films also because of how thoroughly consistent they are despite their often complex plot lines and story.

    Also I think he's got a similar VI to Gulenko.



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    You can laugh but I think Nolan is a SLE.
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    my friend and I are excited for Tenet so we are revisiting older Chris Nolan movies

    this weekend we watched the Prestige. Hugh Jackman seems ESE or SEI, Christian Bale strikes me as Fi leading/evaluating or Si devaluing (ESI?) and Chris Nolan imo is super zen LSI. it must be all the tea drinking he does on set. He's very consistent.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ergot View Post
    Christian Bale strikes me as Fi leading/evaluating or Si devaluing (ESI?)
    I think Bale is definitely not Fi ego. Fi egos doesn't lash out like he does, ofcourse they could lash out and it could be more ugly than this but in a different way. He expresses all of the reasons of his frustration with dramatic demonstration. I agree he might be Si devaluing or has little Si or both.


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    I don't really see how movies like Memento and Inception could've been made by someone with low-dimensional Ni (or unvalued). It's not about "intuition of time" or anything relating to the literal nonlinearity, more just the nuance in the kind of temporality he chose to employ. But to be fair, the Batman movies could resonate with LSI, though the fact that their topic is already embedded in a template of principles kind of obscures things. Based on these aspects and the interviews I watched some time ago I'd guess a heavily Ni-sub xIE. Most of his go to actors seem beta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    I think Bale is definitely not Fi ego. Fi egos doesn't lash out like he does, ofcourse they could lash out and it could be more ugly than this but in a different way. He expresses all of the reasons of his frustration with dramatic demonstration. I agree he might be Si devaluing or has little Si or both.

    do you think Bale is a hamlet, by any chance?

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    His movies are Ni as fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ergot View Post
    do you think Bale is a hamlet, by any chance?
    Yes, I think most probable type is EIE for him. I have seen others typing him as LSI and ILE. LSIs can't be expressive as he is due to 1D Fe and 1D Ne. His innotation conveys an emotion most of the time, definitely not 1D Fe. I can't say anything about ILE typing because of my lack of experience, however, if he is indeed ILE, that means ILE can fill my Fe bars easily and that doesn't make sense to me. I don't think he is SLE because the way he attacks point out D(Ne)>D(Se).

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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    I don't really see how movies like Memento and Inception could've been made by someone with low-dimensional Ni (or unvalued). It's not about "intuition of time" or anything relating to the literal nonlinearity, more just the nuance in the kind of temporality he chose to employ. But to be fair, the Batman movies could resonate with LSI, though the fact that their topic is already embedded in a template of principles kind of obscures things. Based on these aspects and the interviews I watched some time ago I'd guess a heavily Ni-sub xIE. Most of his go to actors seem beta.
    I puzzle over that too. The conclusion I came to is that Ni lead or creative may convey their overarching themes in a more subtle way. There would be more happening off-screen, power given to things unsaid ,that you would be left to connect the dots by.
    I still don't have a firm grasp of how to observe use of Ni in a person though, which reduces my take to ...

    a LSI hunch , really
    based on what Chris chooses to place emphasis on in interviews or describes being meticulous about. e.g. he employs practical effects over CGI in his movies, instead large set pieces shift in real time to make the world believable.
    I have not found him engaged in purely theoretical discussions of his movies. he speaks a lot on the cinematic impact he's looking to deliver; something spectacular, grand

    other points of interest: he has collaborated with his brother several times (memento was born from Jonathan Nolan's short story) and also Kip Thorne for interstellar

    this vid could be interesting to assess some sensory flair

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    I also think that Bale seems more like an EIE.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ergot View Post
    I puzzle over that too. The conclusion I came to is that Ni lead or creative may convey their overarching themes in a more subtle way. There would be more happening off-screen, power given to things unsaid ,that you would be left to connect the dots by.
    I still don't have a firm grasp of how to observe use of Ni in a person though, which reduces my take to ...

    a LSI hunch , really
    based on what Chris chooses to place emphasis on in interviews or describes being meticulous about. e.g. he employs practical effects over CGI in his movies, instead large set pieces shift in real time to make the world believable.
    I have not found him engaged in purely theoretical discussions of his movies. he speaks a lot on the cinematic impact he's looking to deliver; something spectacular, grand
    It's a fair point, I guess the thematic delivery to me was kind of self-contained, whether it be the ambiguity in batman's ultimate status, the resolution in Memento, or whatever. It is very impactful, though.

    As far as the theoretical aspect goes, it's ambiguous. That video you linked could be interpreted either way, it was more or less an exercise in Ni/Se, lol. But I wouldn't consign EIEs to the realm of theory any more than assume LSIs should always be talking about tangibles.
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    His less commercial ized ventures always move me so much. The middle batman as well.

    When I first watched Inception I cried.

    But yeah I still think his movies play around with and or use interior intuition of time.

    He does have a heavy physical presence, but I've seen this LIE as well so I'm undecided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    I also think that Bale seems more like an EIE.
    sure, here he seems to display "passionate" communication style if we go by Gulenko . exaggeration for effect. I rule out logical types for him because I relate too much

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