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    Default What other types can a type resemble under stress?

    There's an interesting question that doesn't seem to be answered by Socionic theory... how does a type behave when they're not allowed to express their natural behavior?

    Do they behave like their Super-Ego, their Id, or their Dual, or does their natural behavior just get reinforced no matter what? Or does social programming just completely override preferences in this case?

    For instance... let's assume a scenario in which a person of a particular type, let's say an Alpha Quadra type like ILE, grew up surrounded by Gamma Quadra types like SEE, ILI, ESI, and LIE... what would happen to them as their ego and creative functions were continually rejected and devalued by others? Would they "retreat into" another mode of operation in order to cope? What mode of operation would that likely be?

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    Jung discussed the shadow aspects..which is applied to MBTI often (for a decent book on that, check out Naomi Quenk's "Was That Really Me?").. but yeah, I haven't seen anything like that in Socionics.

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    I'm not sure if this would always go the same way. The one time I was under a great deal of stress, I became a super-organized neat freak, so very non-IEEish. But my husband was under a great deal of stress at one point and became even less social and more of a hedonist, so kind of a way over-the-top unhealthy version of his own type (SLI).

    My mom is an LIE who was raised by Alphas. I think she's still pretty LIE. Oh, I thought of someone else - I have an SEE cousin whose parents are ILI/ESE, and she is very much SEE when away from her parents, but she just keeps quiet around them. It doesn't change her internal being but she's good at editing herself externally around them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker View Post
    I'm not sure if this would always go the same way. The one time I was under a great deal of stress, I became a super-organized neat freak, so very non-IEEish.
    I could see that too. FWIW though, in that book I mentioned above (assuming you'd be ENFp/Ne-Fi in both systems), the shadow aspect of ENps sounds like an obsessive/negative version of some of the Si/body awareness descriptions on wikisocion, with a mix of unhealthy Te and Fe respectively. And yeah, it touches on the organizing and detail orientedness..

    Many ENFPs report fanatically mowing the lawn or cleaning house and being unable to stop themselves, even though they typically view these activities as relatively unimportant and avoid them. The ISTJ husband of one ENFP reluctantly admitted that he rather liked it when his wife was highly stressed because it was the only time the house ever got thoroughly cleaned!

    As for Si.

    When effective dominant Introverted Sensing types describe the nuances of their internal sensory experiences, one can marvel at the exquisite, evocative images that emerge. When an Extraverted Intuitive type in the grip of inferior Introverted Sensing focuses on inner sensations and internal experiences, it often translates into exaggerated concern about physical symptoms, whose diagnostic meaning is always dire and extreme.

    In the grip of their inferior function, ENTPs and ENFPs frequently Over-interpret real or imagined bodily sensations as indicative of illness. When they are in full command of their dominant and auxiliary functions, these types easily ignore or minimize messages from their bodies. So when they do focus on the body, it is done to the exclusion of everything else and with little experience of what is "normal" for them. A particular symptom can have only one cause, which must be life threatening or incurable: A pulled muscle is taken as a sign of heart disease; indigestion signifies an impending heart attack; and a headache is believed to be a brain tumor. It seems that when their Intuition isn't working, they react to messages from their bodies rigidly and absolutely. An ENTP had been in a rare bad mood for several days but was unable to identify any cause. One morning while shaving, he noticed that when he turned his eyes to the left, the white in his right eye crinkled. He had never noticed that before and was terrified that something was terribly wrong with his eyes. Before making an appointment with an eye doctor, however, he decided to observe other people's eyes to determine just how bad his were. To his relief (and chagrin), he found that everyone's eyes moved the same way his did. He had simply never bothered to look at eyes his own or other people's at all closely before.

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    The one time I was under a great deal of stress, I became a super-organized neat freak, so very non-IEEish.
    Same here. I wanted everything to be perfect and was repeatedly frustrated in my efforts. Also, everything became about me, about what I wanted, about how things were not going according to my plans, about how I wished I could just run away and do what I wanted to do...I also at times became somewhat emotionally manipulative=too much emphasis on Demonstrative Fe.

    I might've come across more like an ESTj or ESFj at this time, perhaps, since I seemed particularly focused on Te and Fe...However, looking back it was really me feeling deprived of my "Ego" and particularly wanting to do away with all the pressure on my Role and focus more on my Base. Only I wasn't going about it in a very healthy manner.
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    oh boy...

    type stays always the same. Your behaviour isn't all based on type. Type is just the way you perceive the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    oh boy...

    type stays always the same. Your behaviour isn't all based on type. Type is just the way you perceive the world.
    Since it's all based on Jung though, it'd be fair to incorporate/explore his other theories on repressed "shadow" behavior then. Or, there'd have to be a good reason why we should acknowledge one, and discount the other.

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    I've re-read mirrorsoul's post a couple of times now and don't see where she said anything about types changing. She asked if you could resemble a different type, which seems like it assumes your type remains the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    oh boy...

    type stays always the same. Your behaviour isn't all based on type. Type is just the way you perceive the world.
    Sure. But behaviors can give clues about a person's type...They just may not always point to the right type, as an unhealthy focus on non-Ego functions can cause confusion.
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    They'd look a bit like their contrary partner, that is ENFj if you're an INFj, ENTp if you're an INTp. The demonstrative function in particular acts self consciously during stress, it is consciously monitored so as not to provoke a POLR attack. For example, when secure an ESxj doesn't worry about their appearance or their willfulness (Se demonstrative), they just act willful, allowing their body instincts to take over. Under stress, they restrain their Se a lot to within whatever parameters their Ni POLR function allows (which has only personal experience to go on). Another example, IxTps when secure take a firm position in space, in the framework of other people's logic (Ti demonstrative), when insecure they waver in their logical position, or physically shift in space. The demonstrative function is a reliable indicator of how safe a person feels within a given context. If it is expressed spontaneously and confidently, the person feels safe, calm. If there is some hesitation, some holding back of its natural outward energy, the person is stressed out and is seeking social approval of it (in the language of their POLR function).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    That makes a lot of sense. Do you have a link where someone could read more about this/examples by any chance?
    I don't, I loosely based it on the socioniko.net articles though: http://www.socioniko.net/rus/index.p...mak-roslankina

    And it might be more accurate to say the demonstrative function's energy gets displaced during stress, rather than repressed entirely, allowing them to maintain some autonomy over their POLR function (since the two are linked).
    So an ESxj will hold back their willpower and influence in one situation, and then overexpress their will in another, to the point where they can once again control the sequence and interval of time between events (Ni polr). A stressed IxTp will concede their Ti position in one situation, and then enforce it even more strongly in another, to the point where they can once again influence the emotional atmosphere (Fe POLR). Probably if there are no suitable safe channels for the demonstrative function's energy, it continues to build up and up, at some point is released involuntarily in the most inadequate way.

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