DISC assessment test and correlations with Socionics

[Joy]

hah, yeah, i'm getting the idea that this is the appealing aspect for a lot of people.

If so, that may be because they haven't read the negative aspects described in the book. It says something along the lines of "you need to learn how to stop being an asshole and treating people like shit".

[machintruc]

Like Joy said, it's outgoing vs. reserved. I was introduced to the 4-temperament system first as well, and I've been reading about it over a span of about 5 or 6 years.

I'm C-high, and I'm outgoing.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

I'm C-high, and I'm outgoing.

Makes no sense, according to those theories. This said, I'm a less social I (I can communicate, but I prefer having a reason to approach people). What's your secondary?

[machintruc]

Makes no sense, according to those theories. This said, I'm a less social I (I can communicate, but I prefer having a reason to approach people). What's your secondary?

I hesitate between S and D.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

I hesitate between S and D.

Huh. I don't know you, so I can't say anything for certain. You could read descriptions for both and see what happens.

[implied]

If so, that may be because they haven't read the negative aspects described in the book. It says something along the lines of "you need to learn how to stop being an asshole and treating people like shit".

yeah, i think some people thrive in their perceived assholery.

[Joy]

Basic Motivation:

D: challenge, choices, control
I: recognition, approval, popularity
S: security, appreciation, assurance
C: quality answers, excellence, value


Environment Needs:

D: freedom, authority, varied activities, difficult assignments, opportunity for advancement
I: prestige, friendly relationships, opportunities to influence others, opportunities to inspire others, chance to verbalize ideas
S: an area of specialization, identification with a group, established work pattern, stability of situation, consistent, familiar environment
C: clearly-defined tasks and explanations, sufficient time and resources to accomplish tasks, team participation, limited risks, assignments that require planning and precision


Needs to learn that:

D: people are important, relaxation is not a crime, some controls are necessary, everyone has a boss, verbalizing conclusions helps others understand them better
I: time must be managed, too much optimism can be harmful, listening is important, tasks must be completed, accountability is imperative
S: change provides opportunity, friendship isn't everything, discipline is good, it is alright to say no, being a "servant" does not mean being a "sucker"
C: total support is not always necessary, thorough explanation is not always possible, deadlines must be met, taking calculated risk can be profitable, there are varying degrees of excellence

Corresponds (imo) to:

D: enneagram 8, EJ, ExTx, Se valuing (most like LIE)
I: enneagram 3 and 7, EP, ExFx (most like SEE)
S: enneagram 2 and 6, IP, IxFx, weak Se (most like EII)
C: enneagram 1 and 5, IJ, IxTx, weak Ne (most like LSI or possibly ESI, because C's are negativists)

[machintruc]

Basic Motivation:

D: challenge, choices, control
I: recognition, approval, popularity
S: security, appreciation, assurance
C: quality answers, excellence, value


Environment Needs:

D: freedom, authority, varied activities, difficult assignments, opportunity for advancement
I: prestige, friendly relationships, opportunities to influence others, opportunities to inspire others, chance to verbalize ideas
S: an area of specialization, identification with a group, established work pattern, stability of situation, consistent, familiar environment
C: clearly-defined tasks and explanations, sufficient time and resources to accomplish tasks, team participation, limited risks, assignments that require planning and precision


Needs to learn that:

D: people are important, relaxation is not a crime, some controls are necessary, everyone has a boss, verbalizing conclusions helps others understand them better
I: time must be managed, too much optimism can be harmful, listening is important, tasks must be completed, accountability is imperative
S: change provides opportunity, friendship isn't everything, discipline is good, it is alright to say no, being a "servant" does not mean being a "sucker"
C: total support is not always necessary, thorough explanation is not always possible, deadlines must be met, taking calculated risk can be profitable, there are varying degrees of excellence

Corresponds (imo) to:

D: enneagram 8, EJ, ExTx, Se valuing (most like LIE)
I: enneagram 3 and 7, EP, ExFx (most like SEE)
S: enneagram 2 and 6, IP, IxFx, weak Se (most like EII)
C: enneagram 1 and 5, IJ, IxTx, weak Ne (most like LSI or possibly ESI, because C's are negativists)

EII's are most likely C, and LSI's are most likely D.

[Joy]

I could see LSI's as D's (that probably works better, now that I think about it), but I the EII's I've know are S > C. C's are more like... ESI's, LII's, and ILI's.

[marooned]

I don't fit properly in these little categories.

[machintruc]

I don't fit properly in these little categories.

Whatever. DiSC is retarded, and is meant to be used by retards.

[machintruc]

I could see LSI's as D's (that probably works better, now that I think about it), but I the EII's I've know are S > C. C's are more like... ESI's, LII's, and ILI's.

ILI's are certainly the most S of all S's. They ask for being led by some SEE's because they're lazy.

[Ezra]

Oh yeah, FTR, I was D52, I24, S4 and C20 or something. I and C could've been swapped around.

[Blaze]

D: 60
I: 32
S: 4
C: 4

first two scores were in the middle range, last two on the left side of the continuum. not a bad test, pretty accurate.

[machintruc]

D: 60
I: 32
S: 4
C: 4

first two scores were in the middle range, last two on the left side of the continuum. not a bad test, pretty accurate.

You may be SEE.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

I personally find D descriptions the most difficult to understand. It could be that my idea of a D is really D/C or C/D. I always think of them as motivated to do whatever task they're given.

Never could figure out whether I should be I/S or I/D.

[machintruc]

your categorical remarks often cut throat to great possibilities.

you lack sense of playfulness

[Cuddly McFluffles]

What hypothesis, dee?

[Cuddly McFluffles]

The only problem I see with that is that I have none of those in my Ego. I'm . However, I admit that I use Fe a lot; it regulates my behavior in public.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

I'm a little confused, but I understand it somewhat. I get that they represent valued functions. I just don't get how it relates to anything else. Or is it supposed to?

[machintruc]

my last hypothesis was that they only point to valued functions (not necessarily strong), see my previous post for which.

But then ILI's may be D-high ? that doesn't make sense. They aren't "dominant", they're just hostile.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

If so, that may be because they haven't read the negative aspects described in the book. It says something along the lines of "you need to learn how to stop being an asshole and treating people like shit".

^ On Ds appreciating this test.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

No clue. I was just referencing the "hostile" comment back to that D-related one.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

I wonder which temperaments (as in DiSC temperaments) occur the most across each... whatever they're called. I don't think it's "types".

[Joy]

I personally find D descriptions the most difficult to understand. It could be that my idea of a D is really D/C or C/D. I always think of them as motivated to do whatever task they're given.

Never could figure out whether I should be I/S or I/D.

No way. Think enneagram 8. It's an almost perfect correlation.

that this is a test for valued functions, or, essentially, a quadra test (maybe that's how it was so pop):

"dominance" -> Se
"compliance" (read further) -> Si
"influence" -> Fe
"steadiness" -> Te

read what Joy copied from website for more insight into the "four words".

S is not Te. No fucking way. And you should probably stop using those words to describe D, I, S, and C. It seems to be confusing you.

SEE's are the epitome of I, btw.

ILI's are certainly the most S of all S's. They ask for being led by some SEE's because they're lazy.

Yeah, I could see S's as ILI's, too. Pretty much any introverted type with weak or unvalued Se could be an S. I can't see a healthy Se ego type being an S though.

[Joy]

I wonder which temperaments (as in DiSC temperaments) occur the most across each... whatever they're called. I don't think it's "types".

Yeah, temperaments.

[Joy]

Needs to learn that:

change provides opportunity, friendship isn't everything, discipline is good, it is alright to say no, being a "servant" does not mean being a "sucker"

[machintruc]

Yeah, I could see S's as ILI's, too. Pretty much any introverted type with weak or unvalued Se could be an S. I can't see a healthy Se ego type being an S though.

LII's and EII's are more C-like than S-like because they are interested in leading (and usually competent at leading, when there's no rebellion or such), though they're less pushy than LSI's or LIE's.

[Joy]

LII's and EII's are more C-like than S-like because they are interested in leading (and usually competent at leading, when there's no rebellion or such), though they're less pushy than LSI's or LIE's.

I cannot see the EII's I've known fitting this description. They're like... the ultimate S's. The LII's I've known are more C-like. But what does leading have to do with being a C? You do know this isn't a leadership style test, right?

[machintruc]

I cannot see the EII's I've known fitting this description. They're like... the ultimate S's.

I was thinking of an EII-1.

You do know this isn't a leadership style test, right?

Then what does it test ? The ability to have a life or something ?

[Joy]

I was thinking of an EII-1.

I haven't known any. I'm not saying it's impossible though, of course.

Then what does it test ? The ability to have a life or something ?

It's just a theory about temperaments. No temperament is better than any other, and there's no specific area that it qualifies people in like that. The profiles talk more about what type of leader each type responds best to than what type of leader they are, and all of them have lives. I'm not sure how you came to hear about this theory initially, but I'm guess the way it was used by whoever tested you is what's given you such a bad impression of it.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

*nods* Certain types are more likely to lead, though. IE, they're the ones to step up and take leadership. That said, I've read S's make great leaders, but it has to be forced upon them (they won't go for it on their own).

Machintruc, have you ever heard of the terms, Sanguine, Melancholy, Choleric, and Phlegmatic? DiSC is another way of terming the same thing (the idea was to make terms that were easier to remember).

[machintruc]

*nods* Certain types are more likely to lead, though. IE, they're the ones to step up and take leadership. That said, I've read S's make great leaders, but it has to be forced upon them (they won't go for it on their own).

Machintruc, have you ever heard of the terms, Sanguine, Melancholy, Choleric, and Phlegmatic? DiSC is another way of terming the same thing (the idea was to make terms that were easier to remember).

I'm Phlegmatic, and I'm C. But you may be Phlegmatic and D.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

I'm Phlegmatic, and I'm C. But you may be Phlegmatic and D.

*cocks head to the side* Phlegmatic-?. What's your secondary?

I come out either Sanguine/Melancholy or Melancholy/Sanguine, usually.

[machintruc]

*cocks head to the side* Phlegmatic-?. What's your secondary?

I'm thinking of Choleric because I'm stable, but high-strung and quick to anger.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

I'm thinking of Choleric because I'm stable, but high-strung and quick to anger.

Remind me to stay out of your way.

See, that's my problem. I'm definitely Sanguine. I have some Phleg tendencies (I can be quiet and withdrawn into myself, and I sometimes have a high patience level. I also adapt well), but I, too, am high-strung in some ways, and at home, my temper flashes pretty easily (it takes a lot anywhere else to reach the same level). That said, quick flashes can be Sanguine. It's difficult for me to tell whether I have that many Phleg tendencies or whether I'm a San/Chlor that went Phleg.

[Slacker]

I just took this and got:

D=16
I=44
S=20
C=20

[Cuddly McFluffles]

I just took this and got:
I=44

Kindred! *glomps*

[Cuddly McFluffles]

No way. Think enneagram 8 [for D]. It's an almost perfect correlation.

*raises an eyebrow*

Top Ten Signs You Are a Type Eight by Suzyn Smith
10. People tend to salute you, but you're not in the military.
9. It looked like it was going to be a tough race, but after you ran the smear campaign, you were elected president of the garden club with ease
8. They're still looking for the last guy who insulted your mother.
7. You consider bingeing an attractive alternative lifestyle.
6. You frequently threaten people with castration.
5. You used to pass time in dull classes by arguing with the professor.
4. You often use the word "masturbation" in casual social conversation.
3. You were captain of your college rugby team.
2. Konrad Lorenz's "On Aggression" reads like your autobiography.
1. That Three over there could get elected, but YOU could run the country.

[machintruc]

*raises an eyebrow*

Top Ten Signs You Are a Type Eight by Suzyn Smith
10. People tend to salute you, but you're not in the military.
9. It looked like it was going to be a tough race, but after you ran the smear campaign, you were elected president of the garden club with ease
8. They're still looking for the last guy who insulted your mother.
7. You consider bingeing an attractive alternative lifestyle.
6. You frequently threaten people with castration.
5. You used to pass time in dull classes by arguing with the professor.
4. You often use the word "masturbation" in casual social conversation.
3. You were captain of your college rugby team.
2. Konrad Lorenz's "On Aggression" reads like your autobiography.
1. That Three over there could get elected, but YOU could run the country.

Or, ten reasons to hate them, like I do.