The Delta type of evil

[velveteen]

I dislike Delta Quadra's tendency to create moral pecking orders. They organize people around them as inferior or superior based on their perceived virtue (they often conflate "not being scary" with "socially approved" with virtue). If you are a polite, clean-shaven accountant who votes Hillary, you can do no wrong in their eyes - even if you've been convicted for insider trading and are a sexual predator.

I work with a girl with this exact same mentality and I just find her so self righteous and hypocritical. I have a very relaxed approach to work where I try to create a friendly and warm atmosphere where everyone feels included and from day one, she’s DESPISED me for it - she hates people who don’t follow her idea of what’s normal. I’m certain she trashes me behind my back to workmates, she passively makes snide remarks which I can only pinpoint down to bitterness... she punishes people because she doesn’t like or agree with them, not because they are a piece of shit. For instance, she treats me like shit because my approach to work is calm and I refuse to compete with her and stoop to her level by passively attacking her methods, but she’ll frigging love and befriend a horrible employee whose done far worse things than I have and not care about all the crap they’ve put others through... because there’s something about them she personally likes lol. Really disrespectful and nonsensical.

[niffer]

Delta evil in general would probably manifest in nepotism and favoritism being taken to extremes. So like the autistic inbred EII king who is untouchable and can't be removed from the throne because he's the rightful heir even though he can't count to 3 and is completely impotent, and anybody who breathes wrong around him is instantly beheaded.

In general, misuse and abuse of power by delta NFs who have made themselves untouchable due to some kind of ethical meritocratic benefits they've acquired. And the STs who propagate it because they stand to gain from it somehow too and the NFs need some people around to help them tie their shoelaces and wash the toilets, activities which they pretend to be incapable of doing because they hate them so much.

[Pallas]

Brave New World

The fact that you have to ask means you’re already there.

[Exodus]

“the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"

^ This is what it comes down to.

Se (values) = evil action
Si = evil inaction

Of course, action is what is typically described as evil.

[wasp]

^ This is what it comes down to.

Se (values) = evil action
Si = evil inaction

Of course, action is what is typically described as evil.

hmm not exactly what I meant.

the question in the OP seemed to be inquiring about "evil" delta societies, but the idea of a society working toward a common goal of any kind (whether "good" or "evil") sort of contradicts delta values since they're decentralized by nature, so instead I thought of which commonalities they might share in a preexisting "evil" society.

the idea is that delta's brand of "evil" is usually due to passivity in times of strife, in the sense that they sparsely go head-to-head with the negative forces perpetuating said strife. gamma is the quadra most likely to directly confront those negative forces, but that doesn't mean delta does nothing at all, otherwise we'd have to redefine the system and remove Te from the quadra. instead I see delta distancing themselves from those negative forces - as opposed to correcting or eradicating them - which could be interpreted as inadvertently enabling those negative forces, which is what I meant by that quote since it was inspired by dolphin's quadra progression article, lest they be pulled into the abyss.

[niffer]

hmm not exactly what I meant.

the question in the OP seemed to be inquiring about "evil" delta societies, but the idea of a society working toward a common goal of any kind (whether "good" or "evil") sort of contradicts delta values since they're decentralized by nature, so instead I thought of which commonalities they might share in a preexisting "evil" society.

the idea is that delta's brand of evil is usually due to passivity in times of strife, in the sense that they sparsely go head-to-head with the negative forces perpetuating said strife. gamma is the quadra most likely to directly confront those negative forces, but that doesn't mean delta does nothing at all, otherwise we'd have to redefine the system and remove Te from the quadra. instead I see delta distancing themselves from those negative forces - as opposed to correcting or eradicating them - which could be interpreted as inadvertently enabling those negative forces, which is what I meant by that quote since it was inspired by dolphin's quadra progression article, lest they be pulled into the abyss.

That's interesting and makes sense.

My original interpretation of what you said before you explained it here, was that delta NFs act in chaotic evil ways with their excuse being to "test" others' characters and then label those who do nothing about it as "proven" to be evil through lack of action and elevate themselves morally above others in a self-fulfilling prophecy way. Anyway that's my past experience with some delta NFs. Like they set up morality straw men.

[Exodus]

hmm not exactly what I meant.

the question in the OP seemed to be inquiring about "evil" delta societies, but the idea of a society working toward a common goal of any kind (whether "good" or "evil") sort of contradicts delta values since they're decentralized by nature, so instead I thought of which commonalities they might share in a preexisting "evil" society.

the idea is that delta's brand of "evil" is usually due to passivity in times of strife, in the sense that they sparsely go head-to-head with the negative forces perpetuating said strife. gamma is the quadra most likely to directly confront those negative forces, but that doesn't mean delta does nothing at all, otherwise we'd have to redefine the system and remove Te from the quadra. instead I see delta distancing themselves from those negative forces - as opposed to correcting or eradicating them - which could be interpreted as inadvertently enabling those negative forces, which is what I meant by that quote since it was inspired by dolphin's quadra progression article, lest they be pulled into the abyss.

That's essentially what I meant (esp the bolded part).

However, I would say Betas are more likely to directly confront "evil" forces, since Gammas are also decentralized and/or pragmatic. Associating Te with taking action is incorrect IMO.

[niffer]

hotelambush just never wants to admit he's wrong or that he went too far with making assumptions

[Chae]

That's essentially what I meant (esp the bolded part).

However, I would say Betas are more likely to directly confront "evil" forces, since Gammas are also decentralized and/or pragmatic. Associating Te with taking action is incorrect IMO.

Yes. I'm sure Beta is the most aggressive in terms of installing as well as taking down injustice. That way, Beta is fairly hypocritical since they perpetuate the cycle. But they are aware of the public/common implication. >>>> when confronting evil. Gamma won't do shit unless it threatens their property or the expansion of it. Then they spit fire.

An example of + going about it: The very handsome baby boy very rigid toxic masculinity type of LSI in my performance course used to go on long robotic sermons and analyses why this should be done that way in front of the entire class. He corrected the professors and basically functioned as one himself, shut down everything that was not coherent with university guidelines and his own overeducated view of things, maaaan he gave zero fucks. The entire bunch of people was completely docile and silent which I thought was eerie and not right myself. In a way, he was condescending enough to replace evil deeds with his own authority. I think that's how Beta —paired with unhealthy enneagram 1— works, it's either them or me who's the top dog doing what one simply has to do.

[niffer]

The very handsome baby boy very rigid toxic masculinity type of LSI in my performance course used to go on long robotic sermons and analyses why this should be done that way in front of the entire class. He corrected the professors and basically functioned as one himself, shut down everything that was not coherent with university guidelines and his own overeducated view of things, maaaan he gave zero fucks. The entire bunch of people was completely docile and silent which I thought was eerie and not right myself. In a way, he was condescending enough to replace evil deeds with his own authority. I think that's how Beta —paired with unhealthy enneagram 1— works, it's either them or me who's the top dog doing what one simply has to do.

Did you end up doing anything about it?

I mean if you complain, but then don't do anything to alleviate issues... then isn't that equally hypocritical.

[Zero]

Clipped wings complex and aristocratic traits would be the areas of Deltas wrong doings. I also think the perception of good/wrong is related to your our personal or quadra values. F.e. aristocratic rights can hurt/offend gammas sense of equality/democracy.

In short:
SLI can ignore you/push you away and dont give a damn if you interfere with his well being or fail to motivate him.
LSE can be mouthy and looking too much for having a profit.
IEE can be sycophantic and hoaxing( for experimental purposes only).
EII can become manipulative, paranoid>neurotic and prideful.

Humm that one was good, can you write one about gammas in the gamma subforum maybe? (:

[Sol]

it needs to look in superego, first of all

SLI can ignore you/push you away and dont give a damn if you interfere with his well being or fail to motivate him.
LSE can be mouthy and looking too much for having a profit.

mouthy - any extravert
looking too much for having a profit - LSE generally think how to do things better. Se valued seek for material profit

Ni - bad strategic thinking, surface thinking
Fe - low control of bad emotions expression, may look indifferent to people

> IEE can be sycophantic and hoaxing ( for experimental purposes only).
EII can become manipulative, paranoid>neurotic and prideful.

sycophantic - any F
hoaxing - not much specific to this type
manipulative - any F
paranoid, prideful - more about S types as relates to weak Ne, as incorrect understanding of probable and traits/situation in general

Ti - informal relations lead to corruption of duties and conformism based on sympathies, not much reasonable
Se - insufficient interest to material needs and their protection

[youfloweryourfeast]

That sounds more like something a fe girl would do

[youfloweryourfeast]

It would be, sensory indulgence or like a husband who leaves his wife and kids for someone more beautiful, so in this case an LSE he takes all his belongings, money, and it's to make himself feel better. In the case with Si and Fi it can create repetitiveness in life, difficulty feeling pleasure so you do pointless things over and over thinking it will make you happy, or feeling like you need to change but your trapped in something you created this dark thing.

continuing..
some Delta sts can be more malicious than others, and even more selfish/pleasure seeking for themselves than the Delta nfs. This is because the xNFPs are seeing emotionally, the patterns in what they do and how it's harmings others, where as some Delta sts cannot access their shadow to stop themselves from wanting people, objects, or pleasure.
How ever the NFs can't or sometimes struggle to control their emotions, and can be manipulative to others without being able to linearly process their thinking to align with others/change their mindsets. This is due to weak ti and conscious te that can create inconsistencies and very vague/not catered to reality to make sense of what they are doing., ie or saying to others.

It manifests and can be more of a struggle for EIIs due to not being able to connect to reality and struggling to see patterns. In the case of IEEs they can do things without understanding the impact and it creates something destructive, or twisting others words to fit their own.

Some of these patterns can be observed in the delta quadra when it manifests as a feeling or pleasure they are trapped in that they want to continue or feel.. This can make them have warped perceptions of themselves, or others/reality.

[Muira]

Evil can be found in all types, some more than others on average.

Insecure Fi bases become a huge problem, especially if they are men.

IEEs start mimicking their SEE counterparts.

LSEs in all hell are capable of anything.



The least potential for evil for delta is SLI.


But again, it's only SSS in which you have valued functions or any emphasis in quadra segregation.

[youfloweryourfeast]

SLIs have strong te and sensing they could really do whatever they want almost

[Muira]

Mind my language

True, but their dominant function is Si, and demo as Ti.

SLIs are less likely to have their shit hit the sealing over an ideal, or rules they made to impose, or a vision to enforce on society like LXXs. Or really have the ability to effectively emotionally manipulate people, even with experience to balance their lower dimensional functions.

Even some SEIs and EIIs are fuck up, but they are usually men. Something about being feminine in TIM and men that has to do something with being batshit crazy if they didn't learn to not give a fuck. Has something to do with being rejected by society.

[youfloweryourfeast]

It's true that EIIs and SEIs could be a bit more mentally ill things due to the environment or circumstances that can sometimes influence this. Contrary most women are not very feminine/sweet despite, EIEs sometimes can be, but can also be cold hearted or your like mean high school English teacher who sometimes struggles with filling her papers, but will yell at you.
Though IEIs are not gonna be bossy really and can show acts of charity if they want.
SEIs and EIIs are usually men for that reason..I've never met an SEI women irl so.

LxE tend to be more business managers and can sometimes be cold, and hide things from you, so that would make SLIs being seen as less evil (but they can do something secretly though with si and ti demo being strong and se ignoring, so you won't know)

[anotherperson]

a delta evil world would he most likely cold and grey. the meme is that beta evil is like a chaotic hellscape with fighting and bizarre conspiracies so delts would be the opposite: a sort of desolate world with little emotions, people doing the same types of thhings all the time, the thought process becomes vague and obscure

about "evil" deltas as types:

- EII: removal/seperation from the environment, complacency and resignation

- IEE: gets into the "insides" of people, invasive, manipulation

- SLI: weak ability to comply/integrate , self-rightousness and lack of transparency

- LSE: difficulty understanding others' weaknesses, callous and aristocratic

[CumInAllSiEgos]

Mmm yes i like getting inside of ppl and manipulate their insides

[one]

The Delta Demon is the lack of vision/drive for innovation.

They don’t fight for a cause because they have no vision. They judge people superficially and think many things are all smoke and mirrors because they can’t see the vision. They are not intense and outwardly passionate since they have nothing to show, because again, they have no vision. That’s why they’re the opposite of Beta. There’s just no intense things going on because they can’t fathom lofty things like that. Fertile minds are in Beta.

[Still Alive]

The Delta Demon is the lack of vision/drive for innovation.

They don’t fight for a cause because they have no vision. They judge people superficially and think many things are all smoke and mirrors because they can’t see the vision. They are not intense and outwardly passionate since they have nothing to show, because again, they have no vision. That’s why they’re the opposite of Beta. There’s just no intense things going on because they can’t fathom lofty things like that. Fertile minds are in Beta.

Yeah Beta is all about vision and introduces socialism/communism, capitalism, fascism basically all movements come from there. The other types just go along with it depending on how much it makes sense to them or not. I usually leave it up to NiSe types to get something moving and I assume it's no different for the other non Se types. I only really participate if I think it's worth my time, though.

[godslave]

Being proven "Evil" is just that. The person's TIM/sociotype doesn't matter at this point. Furthermore, there isn't any particular "Evil" behavior that would be exclusive to Quadra or TIM regardless. As a reminder TIMs are just abstract representation of models of psyche in form of charts. Socionics in not "Minority Report" for God's sake !

TIM/Sociotype are not people, they are not individuals. I prefer to talk about real individuals (real human beings) who happen to be carriers of a certain TIM (but that's too long and I'm lazy so it's easier to say that a person is a TIM even if that can contributes to the problem !!) instead of using TIM to extrapolate and speculate discriminatively about all the individuals who happen to be carriers of a certain TIM without knowing them at the individual level. Indeed, each person is a universe. That said, broad generalizations are usually made when Quadra values are correlated with Models of societies. For instance we talk about Beta societies, Gamma societies etc... From that perspective, there are overlaps with cultural factors and Political systems.

[necrosebud]

The EII type of evil is negative fi, unless we are talking about unconscious elements that could potentially intrude upon anyone's behavior

"unintentional"

[CumInAllSiEgos]

Incel SLI's

[youfloweryourfeast]

IEE damsel in distress or who ever and SLIs don't do anything because they are se ignoring and weak ni...
All you can do is pray instead. Sometimes I relate to gamma a little because I feel like people should be defended and not left behind, but one thing delta may do is want certain things to go their way, which some delta types can be more prone to being in unhealthy mindsets, have horrible foresight, and are just too concerned about their own well being for Christs sake. Some things could border on to neglect or self entitlement or like "if I'm comfortable then I don't really care if others aren't if it means it won't affect me." I'd actually strongly akin this to LSEs, other delta types probably do this too or it can be a Fi thing. It's also why I think people need to strongly consider deciding to have children or having pets for example. As it's your responsibility to care for them but I guess there are always unknowns in life that you can't predict yourself.
IDK if alphas maybe since at least they have Ti or something their foresight isn't as shitty as delta. I'd personally pick being alpha over delta any day but yea.

[youfloweryourfeast]

Delta is deep, sometimes it's almost scary. I must admit.

Those raw emotions they let out are the combined sum of eternal suffering.

Unfortunately yeah

[youfloweryourfeast]

hmm..I wonder if delta could be like an "empty Abbys, a cloud of nothing before order or sad repetitiveness" and beta is "chaos and things going back and forth all the time"
creepy?

Sometimes I feel like I'm in an Abbys though or that something is "off" when I'm not around a lot of people.