Your typing of forum members (archived '11-'14)

[Azure Flame]

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[InvisibleJim]

Or you could have simply taken the suggestion as a suggestion instead of getting your little socialite knickers in a twist.

omgz, everyonez making fun of me by linking my youtubes.... waaaah

I guess that's how you awkwardly try to connect to people

[InvisibleJim]

Yeah well you guys ARE making fun of me. I read the chat logs. I stalk.

Keep watching em. I was up to $95 of ad revenue last month.

One day you'll be as infamous as Maritsa. Keep at it.

[Absurd]

look at the other functions and don't get caught up in the details. View the "whole" of the person's behavior.

Alright new age guru.

Isn't it obvious that Maritsa is EII from the three videos she has provided. It shouldn't be that hard to see.

Of course it is obvious. Looks like people are into cheap sensations...

Same can be asked, whether it is isn't obvious that some female is EII from a vid alone? Apparently to Maritsa it isn't obvious. It wasn't obvious that some male isn't LSE as well.

Looks like obviously obvious things are obviously not obvious when it comes to certain people. Cough.

I mean, I don't know what's the fuss about in the first place - one and only EII on this site, decides who her dual is, fine with me. Those can be, alphas, betas, gammas and deltas - a lot to choose from. As for the obvious obviousness it seems it is obviously obvious that some people are of other opinion - 66th page of differing opinions...

[jet city woman]

That would "explain" the reason Ashton is SLI on her list...

She types a lot of people differently than they type themselves, including me, and we've never had difficulties getting along. In fact, I would describe our "relationship" to be on-good-terms, and always has been.

[Absurd]

She types a lot of people differently than they type themselves, including me, and we've never had difficulties getting along. In fact, I would describe our "relationship" to be on-good-terms, and always has been.

Good for you, jet. You not only keep your lovely figure, you added so much to it.

I'm not sure you're aware but some people did have some kind of 'difficulties' due to those mistypes. Discojoe, her dual prior to Jadae, hadn't a very successful relationship, though. Didn't take care of himself it seems.

[Finale]

You should do a whole video on Maritsa's type.

You can call it Youtuber Socionist vs Professional Socionist.

[thePirate]

I'm sure it is, even overshadowing your base. I wonder though how you tell apart LSI from LSE and IEI from IEE in that case...

The demonstrative is reactive in nature versus being proactive like the ego functions. It's the difference (in the case of IEE and IEI) of adapting to the emotional atmosphere vs creating one from scratch.

[Beautiful sky]

Ij temperament is reactive

[Absurd]

The demonstrative is reactive in nature versus being proactive like the ego functions. It's the difference (in the case of IEE and IEI) of adapting to the emotional atmosphere vs creating one from scratch.

It is, I wondered though how those reactive functions you so poetically put take over the proactive ones, but that's a question geared and reared towards Maritsa - apparently some self-typed LSI was her dual...

Ij temperament is reactive

[Nowisthetime]

Same can be asked, whether it is isn't obvious that some female is EII from a vid alone? Apparently to Maritsa it isn't obvious. It wasn't obvious that some male isn't LSE as well.

Looks like obviously obvious things are obviously not obvious when it comes to certain people. Cough.

What does Maritsas typings have to do with this? I was talking to those who want to retype Maritsa, even though her videos very much support EII. When you type someone it doesn't matter how they type you or anybody else. It's seems to me that lots of people want to retype Maritsa just because she retypes them.

[Absurd]

It's seems to me that lots of people want to retype Maritsa just because she retypes them.

Yes, tit-for-tat. You're smart. Ask yourself the question whether the typings she offers, are in fact, legitimate. If so, well, most of us are wrong. Including you.

[Words]

What does Maritsas typings have to do with this? I was talking to those who want to retype Maritsa, even though her videos very much support EII. When you type someone it doesn't matter how they type you or anybody else. It's seems to me that lots of people want to retype Maritsa just because she retypes them.

I for one don't really care what Maritsa types me as, I've suggested EIE in this thread and gave reasons and as far as I'm aware those reasons haven't been reasonably rebutted (unless I missed it), you could have a look at what I posted if you wanted.

But I think the suggestion is, if Maritsa is typing people based on how she interacts with them (which she might be doing or not, might just be one of the factors), then if her typing is wrong, wouldn't that affect her typings of others - if intertype compatability is a factor.

I mean who does she get on the best with overall? I'm wondering if it's mostly people who self type as Fe quadra, maybe Fe/Ni quadra, and which group does she perhaps get on the least with, might be Fi quadras, possibly Fi/Ne, which involves a bit of looking into and getting involved in a deluge of possible drama. I think jet and Maritsa are amenable enough with each other, at least i've heard them say as much, and I think she'd had a few run ins with the self typed deltas on the forum for instance, at least I think i've seen as much.

[Nowisthetime]

Yes, tit-for-tat. You're smart. Ask yourself the question whether the typings she offers, are in fact, legitimate. If so, well, most of us are wrong. Including you.

But I don't care how she types anybody. That has nothing to do with it.

[Nowisthetime]

I for one don't really care what Maritsa types me as, I've suggested EIE in this thread and gave reasons and as far as I'm aware those reasons haven't been reasonably rebutted (unless I missed it), you could have a look at what I posted if you wanted.

Do you also think she seems EIE in her videos?

But I think the suggestion is, if Maritsa is typing people based on how she interacts with them (which she might be doing or not, might just be one of the factors), then if her typing is wrong, wouldn't that affect her typings of others - if intertype compatability is a factor.

I mean who does she get on the best with overall? I'm wondering if it's mostly people who self type as Fe quadra, maybe Fe/Ni quadra, and which group does she perhaps get on the least with, might be Fi quadras, possibly Fi/Ne, which involves a bit of looking into and getting involved in a deluge of possible drama. I think jet and Maritsa are amenable enough with each other, at least i've heard them say as much, and I think she'd had a few run ins with the self typed deltas on the forum for instance, at least I think i've seen as much.

It can be interesting to speculate how intertype relationships play out in a forum like this, but that is way too vague in this case. Intertype relations should only be relied on in live communication if you actually want to type someone based on that.

[SyrupDeGem]

I think ESFj is possible... possible. Lots of things are possible. Idk, something in the way she cooks.

[Words]

Do you also think she seems EIE in her videos?

I've not watched her videos that I can recall, i've watched her on tiny chat and it gave me EIE > EII. I'm not a psychologist but if it's EII it is, well doesn't make sense to me on a few levels i'll probably leave it that fwiw.

It can be interesting to speculate how intertype relationships play out in a forum like this, but that is way too vague in this case. Intertype relations should only be relied on in live communication if you actually want to type someone based on that.

How is it way too vague? I dunno at the same time you have a point, but how much evidence can we keep dismissing just because something like, she types herself as EII. I've even seen in this recent discussion someone else making the case that she just uses her ignoring function Fe over Fi a lot, I mean, really? If it walks like a duck looks like a duck and quacks like a duck why would we call it an animated potato or maybe some sort of other animal or something.

[Absurd]

But I don't care how she types anybody. That has nothing to do with it.

In that case I don't care how she types anybody as well. That has nothing to do with it. She can type you ILI as far as I am concerned. It's funny though you care to point out the obvious, that is, stand in support of EII for her, but do not care whether she types you some other type that you furnished your personality with, for instance.

And providing those typings are correct, you're wrong in maybe typing some of the people on that list if you ever did, but correct in typing Maritsa EII.

You type yourself SEI - you've made a list of some forum members, like many do on here, and you re-typed every single of your identicals some other type (providing you know they're not your identicals) it's swell, but how are you certain of it, you surely have to have something to base it on when there are, say, five and more people who disagree with the typings you have procured, but some Cinderella shows up, and says, you, Nowisthetime, are SEI, and I don't care how you type other people. Cool. I don't care as well.

Carebear not so carebear.

[StVual]

I have watched over this place over 3 years now. I wonder if Maritsa could get a typing on me from the few posts that I have made on this little forum that I keep track of occasionally.

This is a hilarious thread by the way. Thanks for the entertainment.

[InvisibleJim]

Oh my, a VI believer asking Model A discussion to VI Maritsa. Thanks DarkAngelFireWolf69.

[Beautiful sky]

According to this signs of functions interpretation INFjs have +Fi in leading function that carries the semantic content of "good relations, love, friendship, affection, attraction, warmth in relations, sociability, close psychological distance, goodness, compassion" which makes EIIs inclined to highlight their positive personal experiences ("my boyfriend gave me a puppy as a gift", "all of my co-workers thanked me today", etc.). At least by theory, there is nothing odd with what you're seeing i.e. Maritsa voicing all these "warm-n-fuzzy" personal sentiments. Subtype would have an effect w/ Ne-subs being more balanced in this, but in Maritsa's case her being the Fi-sub it's like +Fi on steroids.

It's another question of whether she has been faking it all this time and simply overidentifying with the INFj profiles, but it's just highly unlikely for an ExE would sit on some backwaters semi-active socionics forum for 4+ years masquerading as another personality. ESEs and EIEs are usually very responsive to social feedback (EIEs are especially sensitive) and considering how much criticism and negative feedback Maritsa has received over the years, if she was ExE, she would have left for greener pastures long time ago.

A lot of stubbornness and her excessive openness about her private life can be accounted for by her being so/sx 2w1. I've posted this in her old typing thread, will repost it again. It's amazing how much of it matches some of her attitudes.

 

Jung, penetrating the time and space with his four dimensional Ni, has offered another explanation for this kind of attitude. This is from his writing on introverted feeling:



... thus the person engages in something akin to 'self-stoking', or Fi-masturbation, reveling in personal sentiments which merely echo and reinforce themselves but leave them cold to others.


What you're saying about Maritsa, how she is constantly expressing her personal feelings (subject-focus), is actually relegated to Fi:

White (introverted) ethics
...Thanks to this IM element a person feels which objects attract him and which repel him. ... Such an individual perceives information about this facet of objective reality the individual perceives as a need for certain objects that satisfy physical wishes/desires, psychological or spiritual desires, and a need for other people — in other words, a person's wishes/desires and interests that are directed toward animate and inanimate objects. This includes feelings of like and dislike, love and hatred, the desire to obtain some thing/object, etc., and greed or the absense of greed. The higher feelings of this kind can be called ethical, because relationships between people's needs are mainly regulated by ethical normals.

This happens if the introverted judgement isn't balanced by anything. If she isn't integrating enough feedback coming from the outside, then how can she determine what is important and appropriate and what isn't? Her +Fi will be trying to harmonize her experiences with respect to herself with nothing standing on its way and counterbalancing it, which then it would be easily to see how that would lead to a degree of derealization and existence in the la-la land.

positive outlook triad (type 2) might also have something to do with this ... idk, I see Maritsa being exceedingly unresponsive to external social feedback which is really strange for a Fe-dom ... but quite possible if she is highly introverted and mentally living in her own bubble

You have made some very good points but have not really explained why unlike ESE I wouldn't seek greener pastures when an environment becomes specifically hostile towards me. An explanation for this is that unlike ESE (Fi-) I very much love and enjoy interpersonal connections, making interpersonal connections with people. Even in a hostile environment, I've come to know people who I love and respect, and have made friends with. Besides for that, I believe that human beings go through so many different stages in their lives. Some are hostile because of certain conditions that they are unable to fix currently, so they misdirect anger, frustration, and violent feelings and I believe that I've been sometimes the easy target of such an aggression because I'm not an OFFENSIVE type, because I'm defensive. I've come to receive many emails after the fact asking for forgiveness and friendship from some of these people. There are many reasons why people behave in such a way as they do; I just do my own thing, like you said, despite external social pressures, and then I know eventually, with time, there will be a place for me, a place that is created by how people come to see me and view my work.

I'm an extremely trusting and forgiving person because I see nature of people and because I can envision for them, not their work, but for them, a place where emotionally, they can become comfortable with themselves, through certain actions.

Despite the environment of hostility, the possibility of making interpersonal connections means more to me than the negative influenced environment that exists, which is external for those who are effected by it.

I would like a nonhostile and conflict free environment to exist on it's own, so I'm not here to make a good environment. Like handi said, and which I agree with "The people involved in those activities is more important than the atmosphere they make."

In my work, I want to be respected for who I am rather than as a qualify-able object or the impression I make.

Some people, extraverts especially, part of who they are is making a good impression, as an example. I don't concern myself with the impression I make, as I'm more concerned about the quality of my work as it adheres to my own standards of qualify able work.

Unlike IEE, who are more wishy-washy, I know what I want, I'm decisive. Handi said "the EII with Fi knows what's right and wrong very well and tries to live up to those standards." Which is completely true of my case.

Going back to interpersonal relations, I find people who can appreciate me and my standards, and that is exactly what is fulfilling for me and my experience here despite the hostility.

[Beautiful sky]

I have watched over this place over 3 years now. I wonder if Maritsa could get a typing on me from the few posts that I have made on this little forum that I keep track of occasionally.

This is a hilarious thread by the way. Thanks for the entertainment.

Oh lord. Why? It says enough that you sat around and watched, doesn't it?

[Absurd]

In my work, I want to be respected for who I am rather than as a qualify-able object or the impression I make.

That's an impression - gaining respect is an impression you make.

Some people, extraverts especially, part of who they are is making a good impression, as an example. I don't concern myself with the impression I make, as I'm more concerned about the quality of my work as it adheres to my own standards of qualify able work.

That means you're both extravert and intravert. I don't think you know what you're talking about.

[Beautiful sky]

That's an impression - gaining respect is an impression you make.



That means you're both extravert and intravert. I don't think you know what you're talking about.

No and I'm going to try to explain this again. When a person is concerned with the impression they make, they can tailor or suit themselves to the environment, being socially conscious, which is extravert. I'm not. That is not what I'm concerned with. I just do the work to my personal satisfaction, without so much a concern about all the social cues and opinions not only about me but of my work. I'm following my own internal standards, this is why I'm able to bypass all the hostility and seek comfort and haven with a few people who I make connections with in a hostile environment, continuing to work and do as I do.

[Creepy-theticalanti]

they can tailor or suit themselves to the environment, being socially conscious, which is extravert. I'm not. That is not what I'm concerned with.

You know, there are some people who are both introverted as well as socially conscious.

[Beautiful sky]

You know, there are some people who are both introverted as well as socially conscious.

WELL, that's not me.

[Creepy-theticalanti]

WELL, that's not me.

I know. And on the flip side, there are extraverts who are not socially conscious either.

In my experience, anyone who tries to be more socially conscious and actively works on people-skills tends to improve greatly. I would say being 'socially conscious' or not is more of a decision than a predisposition.

So, in other words, I'm not buying into your 'that's just not me' as an excuse to be belligerent to the opinions of others. While self-confidence is important, blatantly ignoring others' feedback will not improve likability.

[Absurd]

No and I'm going to try to explain this again. When a person is concerned with the impression they make, they can tailor or suit themselves to the environment, being socially conscious, which is extravert.

Sounds like social chameleons to me. Even actors.

Keep your chameleon-like LSE to yourself.

Sounds as if you're describing a Fe dominant.

Socionics be praised...

[Nowisthetime]

I've not watched her videos that I can recall, i've watched her on tiny chat and it gave me EIE > EII. I'm not a psychologist but if it's EII it is, well doesn't make sense to me on a few levels i'll probably leave it that fwiw.

But then you should do it here, if you still are interested in typing her. Why ignore first class typing material??

btw, if you want to watch a person who is actually EIE but who mistypes herself as INFJ you should watch this woman (it's MBTI but anyway)

How is it way too vague? I dunno at the same time you have a point, but how much evidence can we keep dismissing just because something like, she types herself as EII. I've even seen in this recent discussion someone else making the case that she just uses her ignoring function Fe over Fi a lot, I mean, really? If it walks like a duck looks like a duck and quacks like a duck why would we call it an animated potato or maybe some sort of other animal or something.

There are many reasons why people get along or don't get along. Some are pure psychological reasons, whereas Socionics is about information metabolism. The type relations manifest themself when people communicate on close psychological distance, real-time, live, and even stronger if they are actually co-operating on a task together, so there are some outer challanges to the communication. Text communication is very limited. I sounds like you use socionics as if it could explain everything, too generally. Socionics is real, but it refers to someting more specific in a person. For example, I don't feel any pressure when communicating with LSE on this forum, but in real life, I feel it instantly. Same goes with conflictors. The impression you get from a person changes drastically when you communicate in real time, because it is so intense and you have to instantly give responses and you can't mask yourself, get more thinking time to formulate answers etc. like you can in a forum on the internet. I myself don't always show type behaviour here on the forum, because I am just constructing texts, and I have time to adapt to the subject discussed.

You said something earlier that maritsa affects people emotionally so that points to Fe. But that's way too general. Affecting people the Fe-ego-way is more specific. Anyway, I just popped into this thread because I wanted to mention the videos that seemed to be ignored.

[InvisibleJim]

But then you should do it here, if you still are interested in typing her. Why ignore first class typing material??

Because VI is not acceptable typing material; as stated by DarkAngelFireWolf69 who collate the first VI database.

[Nowisthetime]

Because VI is not acceptable typing material; as stated by DarkAngelFireWolf69 who collate the first VI database.

C'mon, it's not VI. Typing from video is more than that.

[InvisibleJim]

C'mon, it's not VI. Typing from video is more than that.

Possibly, but not today I'm too busy and certainly not if it's one of Maritsa's vagina monologues to the camera.

Post edit: It was a boring monologue.

[Beautiful sky]

I know. And on the flip side, there are extraverts who are not socially conscious either.

In my experience, anyone who tries to be more socially conscious and actively works on people-skills tends to improve greatly. I would say being 'socially conscious' or not is more of a decision than a predisposition.

So, in other words, I'm not buying into your 'that's just not me' as an excuse to be belligerent to the opinions of others. While self-confidence is important, blatantly ignoring others' feedback will not improve likability.

it only shows that you have Fe as a suggestive function; where as one would say, suggested by it; I just ignore it, hence ignoring function.

Of course you're not buying into things; your perception of things are in the static and Se valuing manner where things do not change significantly in the face of any information that may or may not exist.

[Saberstorm]

it only shows that you have Fe as a suggestive function; where as one would say, suggested by it; I just ignore it, hence ignoring function.

Of course you're not buying into things; your perception of things are in the static and Se valuing manner where things do not change significantly in the face of any information that may or may not exist.

You are typing him LSI, interesting. I used to think that. I would say it might be true that he is LSI. However, I think this is the time for plus minus quarta values! If he is an LSI his role and suggestive functions should have the opposite the opposite polarity of mine. I have -Fe. If he is Delta he should have +Fi. If he is beta +Fe.

Here is DarkAngelFireWolf69's +Fe = "maximization of positive emotions. Even small doses are enjoyed. Against the backdrop of the dramatic, turbulent emotions that always accompany this quadra, every small occurrence deserving a positive response is seen as an occasion for joy and uplifts their spirits."

Here is his +Fi = "positive, warm relationships. Psychological factors play a vital role for them. Without recognition of ethical values such as individuality and the uniqueness of others, religion and spirituality, non-interference in others lives, concrete humanism, etc., the stability they strongly desire is hardly possible."

It is hard to apply these descriptions. The sad truth of socionics!

However, is Maritsa using -Fi? : = "minimization of negative relationships. This element is critical of evil. They desire to get away from bad people and poor relationships, and to protect themselves from enemies and adversaries. They want to minimize negative experiences, because as we know from psychoanalysis, all extruded problems are liable to generate an emotional reaction one way or another, with a physical cost for the purification of the subconscious."

[Beautiful sky]

However, is Maritsa using -Fi? : = "minimization of negative relationships. This element is critical of evil. They desire to get away from bad people and poor relationships, and to protect themselves from enemies and adversaries. They want to minimize negative experiences, because as we know from psychoanalysis, all extruded problems are liable to generate an emotional reaction one way or another, with a physical cost for the purification of the subconscious."

I don't get away from bad people and poor relationships; ask Ashton.

Minde does.

[Beautiful sky]

I've watched the number of humans on this forum give me advice, scold me, or plain want to ban me for the way they perceive my activities as it may impact the general feel of the forum to new comers; Minde was one of these people, who early on, suggested I get banned or even tried to give me advice about what I might do to be better liked or regarded. I just laughed at all the Fe valuing emphasis that was and is suggested to me by some of these people, including Minde, who I type SEI. Little did these individuals know or regarded that I ignore such requested for social cue modification. Also William (or Snaps) was one of these individuals as well.

@hkkmr is one of the few individuals here who has recognized this about me. <3

[Hays]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule

The EII lives by the above life motto of attempting to treat others how they would like to be treated themselves, which is respectfully.

I have found this to be the most reliable way to know whether a person is indeed an EII.
If they fail or momentarily forget to live by their life motto they then feel guilty or regretful.

...Pretty simple...


http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=EII

EIIs are very capable of "sizing people up". They rely heavily on their instincts to understand the inner feelings of an individual. They are very empathetic people and find it very easy to feel with others. This makes them very sensitive to the moods of people, and they treat them the way they want to be treated, that is, with respect.

[Beautiful sky]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule

The EII lives by the above life motto of attempting to treat others how they would like to be treated themselves, which is respectfully.

I have found this to be the most reliable way to know whether a person is indeed an EII.
If they fail or momentarily forget to live by their life motto they then feel guilty or regretful.

...Pretty simple...


EIIs are very capable of "sizing people up". They rely heavily on their instincts to understand the inner feelings of an individual. They are very empathetic people and find it very easy to feel with others. This makes them very sensitive to the moods of people, and they treat them the way they want to be treated, that is, with respect.

http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=EII

I treat people very well, for the 99.9999% of the time. I just want my ideas (that I portray here) to fly. And I'm a different animal in real life This forum and the hostility makes me crazy. LOL

Because I'm not able to read social cues, or sometimes even subtle cues that I'm going too far in a space where I can't see the person directly, I don't know if and what the other person feels, so I just assume they haven't gotten what I'm saying and keep going at it.

[Hays]

I treat people very well, for the 99.9999% of the time. I just want my ideas (that I portray here) to fly. And I'm a different animal in real life This forum and the hostility makes me crazy. LOL

Why are you hostile to me then?

[Beautiful sky]

Why are you hostile to me then?

I'm not; I just couldn't see (I mean really see) that you were getting what I was saying. I feel like sometimes when people put up barriers, that I try to find another way around, but I've come to learn that people's barriers are not crossed easily LOL.

In my eyes, I was trying to get you to see things my way.