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    Enjoy,

    I will go charting laters.

    http://www.fileupyours.com/view/3334...omparison.xlsx

    There is no significant data set available, all of these are about 200 people in size. A lot of ricks logic for favouring an 'even' distribution of types is based on some very fuzzy ideas, but fundamentally his analysis of the 'revealed' statistics is acceptable.

    Comments on data sets from Rick at socionics.us:

    Aushra Augusta was a random sample of 100 lithuanian men and women.

    Of these fairly evenly distributed numbers what stands out is the high percentage (60%) of irrational types. Also, the difference between the Alpha (30.5%) and Gamma (18%) quadras is quite large.
    In addition, Augusta adds that "among 50 randomly selected married couples 17 (34%) turned out to be optimal" (i.e. dual)

    Bukalov and Karpenko was a random sample of 119 married couples from Russia and the Ukraine where the fact they were married was not revealed until after typing took place.

    Very even distribution of socionic traits with the exception of logic (71.4% of men) and ethics (68.1% of women).
    In addition, this survey furnished the following intertype relations statistics:

    within the same quadra - 64%
    duality - 45%
    activation - 8%
    identity - 6%
    mirror - 5%
    request - 10%
    supervision - 5%
    others - 13%
    with the opposing quadra - 8%

    Celebrity benchmark list: Typings of famous people (mostly from the former Soviet Union) with a high level of convergence among different socionists. Not to be considered a random sample in any sense!

    Rick's student: All students from corporate English classes in Kiev, Ukraine hence the propensity of Gammas.

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    T.B.C. I have updated the file and Revision 1 can be found here to allow people to fix my sloppy maths and statistics: http://www.fileupyours.com/view/3334...on%20Rev1.xlsx

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    Cool Analysis, 16types Self Typing versus Maritsas Typing

    I decided to attempt to confirm versus a 'baseline' which of the typing methods has the closest match. This is purely indicative as all of the samples are far too small to be indicative. However, even though the error margin is relatively large it is still somewhat 'useful' in showing where disagreement might lie.

    This does not consider that those who are likely to post on this forum and make their self typing known may not follow the baseline distribution.

    It also makes no attempt to perform quality control on individual type of members or indeed of the data sets that are available on the internet.

    To draw a baseline I choose the 'best' socionists i.e. Augusta, Bukalov and Karpenko as a single set. This provides a total sample size of 437 samples in the baseline versus 177 from Maritsa and 202 from the self-types on this forum. Celebrity benchmark and Rick were excluded as they identify a particularly strong preference (in one, for celebrities and in the other for MBAs). It should be noted that even within this sample set there is a degree of favouritism. It is not known if and if so to what extent Augustas samples from Lithuania or Bukalov & Karpenkos decision to focus on married couples skews their distributions as it could be true that several types have a higher propensity in Lithuania or to marry.

    Anyway, lets have a look.

    Type Distributions by Dichotomy



    Versus the baseline it is seen that Maritsa has generally tight agreement on Logic/Ethics & Introversion/Sensing compared to Self-Types versus the baseline. However, Maritsa appears to significantly overweigh Perceiving versus Judging.

    The data would appear to imply that if the baseline is to be trusted that Logic is overweighed by the forum whereas slightly underweighed by Maritsa. This is likely due to the individual preference of Maritsa identifying similar judgement from members in preference to her own methods whilst it has been noted by some (who I can't be bother to reference due to time) that Logic is overweighed in Western society as it is viewed as 'More Productive/Successful'.

    By contrast Maritsa appears to almost be on the button regarding intuition versus sensing. Whereas introversion is, on an individual basis greatly overemphasised, likely due to feelings of 'unique introvert' that are a hangover of MBTI and other type descriptions.

    Both parties appear to be in a funk regarding introversion and extroversion.

    Martisa appears to significantly overweigh perceiving versus judging. This appears sensible when we all consider Maritsa to be quite concise in her own viewpoint and therefore she is likely to find people somewhat erratic and flexible by comparison to her own experience.

    Type Distributions by Quadra



    Maritsa appears to significantly overvalue the Gamma and Delta quadras at the expense of the Beta quadra. The forum self-types appear to generally be in good agreement with the baseline.

    There appears to be some consensus that Maritsa is of the Delta quadra so let us consider what wikisocion tells us about Delta thinks about Beta:

    Deltas tend to see Beta types as people who "dream big" and always want to turn things into grandiose endeavors, yet can't manage day-to-day affairs effectively. Also, Beta types seem unwilling to consider things from the point of view of others, which gives them a streak of meanness and cruelty.

    I would comment that most of the beta types on the forum have little 'in depth' contact with Maritsa, this is sensible if she does consider them in a way cruel as such people will be avoided. She will therefore, in the Delta way, type via similarity rather than difference and drag the distributions towards the strong Delta and Gamma analogues that we do see active on this forum.

    Type Distributions by Club



    I would like to point out that this is the most interesting chart of the lot as it shows where the difference of opinion could lie between Maritsa and others on the forum.

    Primarily she underweighs humanitarians and researchers and overweighs socials and pragmatists. Whereas the individuals overweigh researchers and humanitarians and underweigh socials and pragmatists. There appears to be a need to reinforce the club definitions within the forum if the baseline is appropriate.

    Type Distributions by Temperament



    Although I consider temperament a less useful measure as modern psychology has applied some more 'specific' terms to enable testing, particularly of aggitation and socionics has not moved on, it is still a useful variable to show.

    It is particularly interesting to note that Melancholy temperaments are overy favoured versus the baseline by both self-typing and Maritsa, in addition to Choleric being underidentified by both.

    By contrast Phelgmatic appears to be a blind spot for Maritsa and Sanguine is overvalued.
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    It appears that Maritsa is both paranoid and horny.

    I request a similar examination for all religious folk.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    It appears that Maritsa is both paranoid and horny.

    I request a similar examination for all religious folk.
    Gilly, you drew those conclusions. Are you really requesting you provide an additional examination? Why not just provide it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by felafel View Post
    @Snaps: you're gamma imo.
    Why do you believe that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Gilly, you drew those conclusions. Are you really requesting you provide an additional examination? Why not just provide it?
    It was a joke based on the overabundance of her typing females as supervisors and males as activators. I figure chicks intimidate her and dudes make her giny tingle.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    It was a joke based on the overabundance of her typing females as supervisors and males as activators. I figure chicks intimidate her and dudes make her giny tingle.
    I reliably have a preference for typing females as humanitarians. If we were all honest we would locate those individual preferences. It's without consequence to call 1 person out on it.

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    very interesting analyses Jim and Korpsy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Type Distributions by Quadra

    It's interesting how close the values are if we compare the forum self-typings and the predicted distribution. Even the less-than-average gamma population is shown in both bars. I thought we wouldn't be so close to the "norm". Well, I guess the forum type distribution will vary much more if we look at the individual types. Our lack of SF-types is compensated by all the NTs in their corresponding quadras, that means we can't see this imbalance in this chart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    I reliably have a preference for typing females as humanitarians. If we were all honest we would locate those individual preferences. It's without consequence to call 1 person out on it.
    Some people have bigger biases than others. Maritsas are quite obvious.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    I think you're Gamma as well, Snaps and Maritsa knows what she is doing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan View Post
    I can't help but to think that people use Maritsa as a fighting ground.
    Yes, we're so all over her we just can't let her go and type people in peace. I'm going to create a Freedom Maritsa Movement, every one join me in the struggle to free her from people who hinder her from typing people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by felafel View Post
    @Snaps: you're gamma imo.
    I wasn't aware that you hate the Gamma quadra that much.

    edit: I have nothing against Snaps. Just funny that someone who is likely Alpha is put into Gamma.
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    It must be fun talking amongst yourselves about Maritsa's batshittery when it's almost a given that she's going to conveniently not read anything from the last page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    It must be fun talking amongst yourselves about Maritsa's batshittery when it's almost a given that she's going to conveniently not read anything from the last page.
    Yup, and better yet, she is going to continue type people. Round and round it goes.

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    Who wants to be SEE when you can be a smoking hot ILI like K0rpsy?
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    All you need is a little rouge.
    "[Scapegrace,] I don't know how anyone can stand such a sinister and mean individual as you." - Maritsa Darmandzhyan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    It must be fun talking amongst yourselves about Maritsa's batshittery when it's almost a given that she's going to conveniently not read anything from the last page.
    She will, even if she doesn't admit it...
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    Someone's been getting supervised.
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by felafel View Post
    Hi Snaps, it's not really a 'belief', more that the content of your posts seems to show a concern for where people are in life and where they're going in the future etc. I just remember an exchange you had with Maritsa and some other posts i can't recall. It just seems more Te-Fi than Ti-Fe imo. I know it's quite general an impression and could be wrong.
    @Tackk: re. 'hating' gamma quadra, those are your words not mine.And i could be wrong, but i'll stay with my own opinion for now.
    Yeah thanks. A lot of people think I'm Te/Fi: hkkmr, Ryan, WA, etc. So you're not alone. I'll add you to the mental list.

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    When I read this thread, all I think is something along the lines of: Socionics - Keep A Secret, Save A Life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by felafel View Post
    Hi Snaps, it's not really a 'belief', more that the content of your posts seems to show a concern for where people are in life and where they're going in the future etc.
    Looks like I always knew the reason I can't be Gamma, felafel. Thank you very much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Snaps View Post
    Yeah thanks. A lot of people think I'm Te/Fi: hkkmr, Ryan, WA, etc. So you're not alone. I'll add you to the mental list.
    The Mentalist is an American police procedural television series that debuted on September 23, 2008, on CBS.[1] The show was created by Bruno Heller, who is also its executive producer. The show follows former "psychic" Patrick Jane (Simon Baker), who is now a consultant to the fictional California Bureau of Investigation (CBI), using the highly developed observational skills he previously employed to "read" peoples' minds. The Mentalist was released on iTunes October 1, 2012.[
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    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    When I read this thread, all I think is something along the lines of: Socionics - Keep A Secret, Save A Life.
    LOL I'm beginning to feel that way too.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    You discovered my secret. I work for the CBI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    When I read this thread, all I think is something along the lines of: Socionics - Keep A Secret, Save A Life.
    What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snaps View Post
    You discovered my secret. I work for the CBI.
    I didn't discover anything, the criteria for something to be discovered lie in something undiscovered so far. The Mentalist isn't undiscovered nor you're Simon Baker. Reality bites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsy View Post
    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsy View Post
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    LOL
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    Hah

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    Quote Originally Posted by felafel View Post
    @Tackk: re. 'hating' gamma quadra, those are your words not mine.And i could be wrong, but i'll stay with my own opinion for now.
    Oh okay. I thought you were playing a joke. Doesn't mean I thought you hate gamma quadra, I was just playing along with what I thought was a joke.
    good bye

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agarina View Post
    I'll be officially homeless in less than a month. I don't have much property, but I'm thinking about selling/giving away most of my clothes, books etc anyway and living with that money for a while. It doesn't bother me, because I've really grown to hate junk in the past few years and kind of like the idea of being able to put all my belongings into a backpack and move/travel anywhere at a very short notice.
    I have mixed feelings towards the idea of finding a new home.. On one hand it would make life less stressful, and the winter is coming and I have my studies here so I have to stay in the city quite a lot anyway. But on the other hand, rental contracts are usually made for one year at least and that feels too restrictive. I know I'll want to do my internships abroad, go on exchange and travel as much as possible. I have sent an application to a foundation for student housing, but I don't really know why - if my rent was more than 300e per month I wouldn't be able to afford food, bus tickets etc, and in this area even the cheapest student flats are around 450-500e.

    My plan so far is basically to not think about this issue and wait for a miracle.

    This explains my typing of you being Carefree as opposed to Farsighted.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    @InvisibleJim

    you're knocking on heaven's door.

    Rational type; I'm inclined to say also negativist as well, perhaps even LII, LSE, ESI, EIE.

    down to LII or LSE...almost confirm
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Jim, I wanted to be the first to congratulate you on being accepted for a seat on Maritsa's orgy bus.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scapegrace View Post
    Jim, I wanted to be the first to congratulate you on being accepted for a seat on Maritsa's orgy bus.
    You can hop on in if you get tested and wear protection, like a hard hat or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadae View Post
    You can hop on in if you get tested and wear protection, like a hard hat or something.
    My blood type is AB-. Is that okay? Asians don't like people like me. I have a big yellow hard-sided suit case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scapegrace View Post
    Jim, I wanted to be the first to congratulate you on being accepted for a seat on Maritsa's orgy bus.
    I don't do groups sex...but you're welcome to try.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scapegrace View Post
    My blood type is AB-. Is that okay? Asians don't like people like me. I have a big yellow hard-sided suit case.
    lol I remember those. Buy a new one, cheap ass

    I was thinking more likes herpehivclapz testy thingies. I dont wanna itch, turn neon white, and then die for ever and ever :[

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