Your typing of forum members (archived '11-'14)

[Slacker]

I would agree. The systems and rules used to organize produces order, structure and semblance of visual symmetry, but the system may not be terribly efficient, which is more of a Te value.

Thank you - that is a ridiculously good explanation of the difference.

[Beautiful sky]

I don't go so far as to organize by color, but I arrange my clothes in my closet in several different ways. First, by what I wear most often to what I wear least, in separate areas of the closet, and then by temperature, warmer clothes/long sleeves etc, to cooler ones with shorter sleeves and so on. It all has an order to it. But. . . it's the inside of my own closet, I don't see how that could possibly matter to anyone else.

and this would be the Ti option of organizing.

I would agree. The systems and rules used to organize produces order, structure and semblance of visual symmetry, but the system may not be terribly efficient, which is more of a Te value.

Te is very much capable of making rules of the external environment...there's no where in socionics that says they can't or won't.

Cleaning - not organizing and sorting by category. They aren't the same thing. Unless you are Ti valuing.

How does his closet look?

My thoughts exactly. I don't see how a Te-type could have interest in that.

You're an introvert first and that being you'd rather conserve energy and let your E type partner take suggestions on how to work and what to do from you.

Maritsa has Ti/Fe mixed with Te/Fi and Ne/Si mixed with Ni/Se.

Nope the only thing people around here have mixed up is the difference between Te and Ti.

And, you already know how I feel about you

[Pa3s]

That categorization though is pure Ti. Taking care of clothes is one thing - organizing by size and color is another thing completely.

True. It's practical to take care of your stuff/clothes, you can see a resulting benefit from that. But categorization like the one mentioned has no objective merit. Only in the mind of the Ti-user.

[Creepy-]

I just know I couldn't in any way be involved with laundry with someone like that. Your clothes, your laundry, you put it away how you want. But I would be repulsed by putting away someone's laundry in that way. It would make me ill.

I have worked with two LSIs, oh wait three (though one I just volunteered with), and they all do this kind of thing. The papers are organized just so, and the pencils are organized just so, and the pens are organized just so, both by color and by type (felt tip/ball point/roller ball/whatever). And then they have procedures written out describing how to do everything, including which category of pen to use for each task. Argh!! There's something in me that just wants to grab all the pens adn put them together in a coffee mug so you can see them all and just grab the one you want. That's how I like my pens.

Yeah fair enough... it's not an obsession or a law I live by or anything. I just have a lot of clothes and this way I know where everything is when I want to wear it.

Also, I would never expect anyone else to organize their clothes this way or criticize them for it. Do whatever makes you happy.

[Computer Loser]

You're such an S type. I added you in as an LSE because you have to observe people...not just analyze what they write like Ti types do...settled Thank you.

I can't simply rely on one method to type somebody because that's just one part of the equation. People can be widely mislead if they simply jump to conclusions without sufficient evidence. And I never said I would eliminate writing, my point was that more info is needed.


You analyze what people write quite often. Wouldn't this mean that you value ti, according to you?

[Beautiful sky]

True. It's practical to take care of your stuff/clothes, you can see a resulting benefit from that. But categorization like the one mentioned has no objective merit. Only in the mind of the Ti-user.

And practicality coupled with extraverted meticulousness is why Te does that and not Ti. YOU JUST VIEWED THE MIND OF A TI USER WHO SAID THAT THAT ISN'T IMPORTANT...OH GOD THERE GOES MY STUPID SE POLR AGAIN.

I can't simply rely on one method to type somebody because that's just one part of the equation. People can be widely mislead if they simply jump to conclusions without sufficient evidence.


You analyze what people write quite often. Wouldn't this mean that you value ti, according to you?

Ti role overanalyzes EVERYTHING

[Beautiful sky]

I SUBORDINATE MYSELF TO A SYSTEM OF ORDER BEING EII

READ PEOPLE READ FILATOVA..FOR GOD'S SAKE.

http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...e=Filatova_EII

: The main interest of EII is focused on the moral norms of behaviour, considers it necessary to listen to all whom require their sympathy and help. Very emotional but believes that one ought not to concentrate just on the bad things, but to seek the positive sides of life.
: Possesses an excellent eye for promising long-range opportunities; knows how to manipulate variants and select the most promising one. Prefers methodical activities, is frequently disturbed by the future.
: Relates poorly to anything involving violence. While on one hand they resist external pressures, on the other they’re prone to tyrannize themselves internally. Find it difficult to efficiently complete household tasks, organize their budget, and purchase necessary things.
: Subordinate themselves to a system of order so long as they’re not forced. Does not develop interest in theories of an abstract nature. Not always capable of organizing work efficiently, spends much time ineffectively spending resources, capable of overworking in order to make up for this.

I NEED A TE TO ORGANIZE THE WORK EFFICIENTLY WOULDN'T YOU THINK?

[The Ineffable]

The only reasonable ones for me is either IJ or IP. I'll agree I have strong Ni and Ti. You are right about my restless searches. I may not post much, but, I spend much time in the background studying one or two main interests and analyzing from various angles. In any case, I'll leave it at that.

I have a very hard time seeing you as LSI - once their understanding is sedimented, it's rather unlikely to feel motivated to change it. Basically this would be totally opposed to your nature. Now I see LIIs somehow similar... they go revising rather out of some unwelcome necessity, when something does not really fit, or something?
For some reasons I can't see ESE or Irrational either, *maybe* SLE. Remember that EIEs can understand something logically very well, they are often good managers/strategists. For me, Beta Extrovert makes much sense especially since you come across as an elaborate strategist, having clear purposes and knowing how to deceive someone to avoid possible set-ups in your way, and stuff, right?
ILIs are on the other hand always undecided, they're in an endless, conscious "work-in-progress" state, rather to indefinitely refine their knowledge than determine things out which I again, I don't find to represent you well. Anyway, I'm not fixed on your typing, this just makes the most sense to me so far.

[Absurd]

I SUBORDINATE MYSELF TO A SYSTEM OF ORDER BEING EII

READ PEOPLE READ FILATOVA..FOR GOD'S SAKE.

Oh stop screaming you drama queen. I think Typhoon created an order for EIIs already. It's called the Order of the EIIs. He left a space for me but I'm willing to share it with you, take it or leave it

[Beautiful sky]

What do you guys think of my mystery human being?

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ad.php?t=34818

[Beautiful sky]

Thank you - that is a ridiculously good explanation of the difference.

Si – In order to assume as much qualitative production as possible it is necessary to make labor efficient. It is only possible to achieve this through the excellent organization of labor, and this is constantly the aim of the LSE. She considers that there always and everywhere must be order, at work and in the home. Any object prepared by her hands is completed, as a rule, conscientiously and accurately, be it a knitted blouse or a computer program it is reduced to the level of an art.

I don't go so far as to organize by color, but I arrange my clothes in my closet in several different ways. First, by what I wear most often to what I wear least, in separate areas of the closet, and then by temperature, warmer clothes/long sleeves etc, to cooler ones with shorter sleeves and so on. It all has an order to it. But. . . it's the inside of my own closet, I don't see how that could possibly matter to anyone else.

No offense, but I'm not comfortable with your way, because I'm not an S type and have one of the very limited S-ing abilities of all the types. My arrangement has to be by color so that things can match otherwise, it's too hard on my senses, eyes and causes confusion and disorientation. It would be nice if things matched.

[Exodus]

what have i ever done to you..?

I thought you had LSI in your sig for a little while?

[squark]

No offense, but I'm not comfortable with your way, because I'm not an S type and have one of the very limited S-ing abilities of all the types. My arrangement has to be by color so that things can match otherwise, it's too hard on my senses, eyes and causes confusion and disorientation.

lol. *picturing someone opening my closet and becoming confused and disoriented* Useful theft-prevention. It's INSIDE my closet. Obviously it's organized for me, not for the aesthetic benefit of anyone else.

[ashlesha]

more lists please!

[Pa3s]

more lists please!

• I
• second
• that.

[1981slater]

Kassie:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...e_titleholders

[Absurd]

I thought you had LSI in your sig for a little while?

Haha! Who sows the wind reaps the storm, labbie

[golden]

My LSE ex was in fact careful with his clothes and kept them a long time, everything in the same grandpa style for decades, reaching back to before I ever met him. He kept the shirts together, the pants together, the shoes together, the ties hanging on a tie rack, and for a while he had a wooden valet (which I gave him as a present) and would lay out his clothes for the next day there. He took his shirts to be pressed weekly.

BUT there is nooooo way he would have organized his shirts by color or anything. He would laugh at that, I think.

I remember on one of our first dates, I ordered a piece of cheesecake and he could see that I had a "method" for cutting it into pieces and eating it. That really freaked him out!

When it came to, say, our kitchen, he was capable of straightening it up, but not capable of adhering to any system for where I kept things. This drove me bananas, because nothing was put back where I intended it to go. I offered to get a label maker so that he would be able to figure out where things "lived," but he was offended by that suggestion. And so it went ... two different approaches to that and almost everything else, endlessly.

This may be a difference between Te and Ti--for him, it was just more efficient to put things roughly where they were meant to be. For me, it was upsetting to find things slightly off all the time, and it wasn't a shared system. So, more efficient for him, less efficient for me.

But I also have noticed that Si versus Se has different ideas about what constitutes "clean" and aesthetically attractive. Se clean seems to be total spotlessness, intense, almost severe cleanliness, which I happen to love. Se aesthetics, as I've said before, seem to be about impact, which I also really love.

[Beautiful sky]

Kassie:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...e_titleholders

Do you like lists? Is that generally a Ti thing?

Most are SF's Lucky you.

When it came to, say, our kitchen, he was capable of straightening it up, but not capable of adhering to any system for where I kept things. This drove me bananas, because nothing was put back where I intended it to go. I offered to get a label maker so that he would be able to figure out where things "lived," but he was offended by that suggestion. And so it went ... two different approaches to that and almost everything else, endlessly.

I keep the order once it's instituted so I love to work and maintain efficiency so it wouldn't bug me if they moved things around, but generally, I also like things to be kept in the same area. Sounds like he ignores Ti (system of where you kept things), maybe. Your X is very disciplined
Or, maybe demo Ti but not work to maintain it.

I enjoy dust bunnies...

[The Ineffable]

Is that generally a Ti thing?

I hope not. As I find facts and figures irrelevant and boring, my Ti would then be crippled by definition .

[aestrivex]

from what I understand the posts involving the personal exchanges between you, Ashton and FDG have been deleted.
I have only recently viewed the discussion involving it so I'm probably not of much help here, though from what I've read any inflammatory language against other users is deemed inappropriate by the admins and should be dealt with by reporting the incident rather than inciting further inflammatory remarks

for those who made the prior remarks and those who may think about doing so in the future; any remarks that involve death threats or encouraging harm upon other users will be dealt with seriously

i didn't make any death threats or encourage any harm upon other users. i said "fuck you" to FDG.

frankly i couldn't care less about the policy that the moderators use, nor do i regard the moderators with any ill will for implementing it. i am, however, dictating the terms under which i am willing to post on this board, which includes not having my words deleted. if the post "fuck you" is regarded as too inflammatory, then by all means the present moderators can take whatever action they deem appropriate to condemn it, and i will respond as i see fit.

[Mediator Kam]

Ah shit niff is here.

I wish I was still active here, I forgot all about typing lists.

[discojoe]

That categorization though is pure Ti. Taking care of clothes is one thing - organizing by size and color is another thing completely.

I don't do that. I arrange them roughly according to type.

[Galen]

niffweed y u gotta b s0 mad?

[Slacker]

I don't do that. I arrange them roughly according to type.

Well Ti is subjective, so the categories would be subjective depending on what is important to you.

My husband is creative Te and all he cares about is that his work clothes be easy to get to when he wakes up late. It isn't about arranging by any category.

[crazedrat]

I wear a watch. I think I am Ni polr...

[Timeless]

I wear a watch. I think I am Ni polr...

London must be -PoLR then too with Big Ben there.

[crazedrat]

Alaska is Se polr. INFj because of all the wildlife.

[Beautiful sky]

Well Ti is subjective, so the categories would be subjective depending on what is important to you.

My husband is creative Te and all he cares about is that his work clothes be easy to get to when he wakes up late. It isn't about arranging by any category.

How about what is efficient? Your husband does what he does because it's efficient in the Si sense because he conserves energy and time not worrying about what he has to do and eliminates steps. Se types don't mind taking many steps so efficiency, organization, and such don't really matter to them. They may label things, but make many labels upon labels, but also that requires inefficient use of resources and time and energy to do this task like this.

I don't do that. I arrange them roughly according to type.

why do you arrange them that way?

[krieger]

i never organize physical things. even my computer desktop and files are in a constant state of clutter. it's just never worth the time.

[Slacker]

i never organize physical things. even my computer desktop and files are in a constant state of clutter. it's just never worth the time.

It's more of a Beta St thing. The Ti categorization + Se physical objects = this kind of stuff. Aren't you LII?

[The Ineffable]

It's more of a Beta St thing. The Ti categorization + Se physical objects = this kind of stuff. Aren't you LII?

Did Maritsa taught you that?

[Slacker]

Did Maritsa taught you that?

Oh yeah, Maritsa and I are right in the same place on typing. You haven't read many threads between us. Or even this one.

[DirectorAbbie]

http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?t...ma/selftypings

Beautiful, glam. And I thought lists were related to .

7 male LSEs and only one female. At least EIIs are almost as lop-sided.

[DirectorAbbie]

Director Abbie LSI

Care to offer an explanation?

If you don't, I'll just end up assuming that since I refuse to let Absurd be LSE and you want him to be your dual, you've decided I'm not your dual to spite me.

LOL. Tunnel-vision. Zeroing in on just your own names

First I saw my brother listed as SEI and thought that was a strange suggestion for him. Then I saw myself as SEI and thought Timeless was just not good at typing people. So I looked at the other names. Turns out he was just thirsty.

Director Abbie- LSI

Oh, another one. Why?

[Krig the Viking]

I don't usually spend a lot of time thinking about other forum members' types, with the occasional exception. Over the years, though, those occasional exceptions have started to accumulate. Here's what I have so far.

("Dunno" means I haven't really thought about it in depth.)

07490 -- Dunno.
1981slater -- Dunno.
Absurd -- Dunno.
Airborne -- Dunno.
Aiss -- Dunno.
aixelsyd -- Dunno.
ananke -- Dunno.
anndelise -- Dunno.
April -- EII or IEE.
Ashton -- Not sure. I need to study the LIE type more closely.
Azeroffs -- Not sure. I need to study the LIE type more closely.
Bardia -- Dunno.
Bionicgoat - SEI.
blackburry -- Dunno.
Blaze -- No reason to disagree with ILE.
bluehenrybob -- Who?
Brilliand -- Probably LII.
BulletsAndDoves -- Beta NF.
CILi -- Delta NF, probably IEE.
CPig -- Dunno.
cracka -- I have no reason to disagree with ESE.
crazedrat -- Base Ni.
DeAnte -- Dunno.
Director Abbie -- Dunno.
discojoe -- Dunno.
dolphin -- Dunno.
EyeSeeCold -- ILI is possible.
ephemeros/Bolt -- LSI.
Erk/Tov -- Who?
esper -- Dunno.
eunice -- Dunno.
expat -- Not sure. I need to study the LIE type more closely.
Smilingeyes -- Dunno.
FDG -- Dunno.
Galen -- I have no reason to disagree with IEE.
glamourama -- Dunno.
Golden -- Dunno.
HaveLucidDreamz -- Dunno.
Hayley -- Possibly EII.
Heath -- Dunno.
Herzy -- Dunno.
hkkmr -- Dunno.
Jarno -- Dunno.
jessica129 -- Dunno.
Jimbean -- Dunno.
JRiddy -- Dunno.
JWC3 -- Dunno.
jxrtes -- ILE.
k0rps3y -- Dunno.
Kamangir -- Dunno.
Khola -- Dunno.
Kim -- Dunno.
krae -- Dunno.
Krig The Viking -- LII.
labcoat -- Base Ti.
laghlagh -- Dunno.
Lemon -- Dunno.
Loki -- Dunno.
Marie84 -- EII.
Maritsa33 -- Possibly Se-valuing.
marmite -- Who?
MatthewZ -- I have no reason to disagree with LII.
mercutio -- I hypothesized once that he might be ILI.
MegaDoomer -- Probably LII.
Minde -- Delta NF, probably EII.
Morcheeba -- Dunno.
Mountain Dew -- IEE? SEE? Not SLE.
MysticSonic -- Dunno.
nanashi -- Who?
Olga -- Dunno.
Peteronfireee- Dunno.
pianosinger -- I have no reason to disagree with IEE.
pinkcanary -- Dunno.
polikujm -- Possibly ILI.
redbaron -- IEI makes sense.
Rick -- IEE.
Ryene Astraelis -- Probably EII.
Ryu -- Dunno.
sarinana -- Se-valuing?
ScarlettLuxx -- Dunno.
shindaiwa21 -- Dunno.
silverchris9 -- IEI.
Slacker -- Delta NF, probably IEE.
Smilingeyes -- Dunno.
squark -- Dunno.
Somavision -- Dunno.
Ssmall -- Dunno.
Starfall -- Dunno.
Subterranean -- Dunno.
thehotelambush -- Probably LII.
thePirate -- Beta NF?
tcaudilllg -- Probably Ni-base.
Timeless -- Dunno.
timewaster -- Dunno.
tiny_dancer -- Dunno.
Trevor -- I have no reason to disagree with LII.
Twitch -- Dunno.
Vero -- Probably ILE.
warrior-librarian -- LII.
Wittmont -- Dunno.
Words -- Dunno.
WorkaholicsAnon -- Possibly IEE.
Ezra -- Dunno.
Gulanzon -- xxFp?
Joy -- Dunno.
JuJu -- Dunno.
Khamelion -- Dunno.
niffweed17 -- I have no reason to disagree with ILI.
ragnar -- Dunno.
tereg -- Dunno.

[Exodus]

Dude, mercutio is not ILI - that's just crazy talk.

[Krig the Viking]

Dude, mercutio is not ILI - that's just crazy talk.

Yeah, I don't really know him at all. That was just a working theory I had a while ago, based on a few posts.

[Airman]

Please type me if you will... I´m not into getting into any conflict over this, if you think I'm INFP, ok, it's your opinion and you can keep it and I don't have to argue with you over this. I have been thinking I might be Te-ISTP, with a serious GAD disorder which makes me EJ-like. But uh definitely my aim is so for me the other option is Si-ESTJ.

[ashlesha]

Care to offer an explanation?

If you don't, I'll just end up assuming that since I refuse to let Absurd be LSE and you want him to be your dual, you've decided I'm not your dual to spite me.

is this an ultimatum? i don't spite you for anything, i think you are a nice person and my interactions with you haven't felt bad or anything, so its not about that. my seeing you as LSI is more of an impression than anything and mostly has to do with how i see you seeming to view things in terms of rules and either/or type things, like breaking things down into the smallest denominator. if this isn't satisfying, you can pm me if you want so this doesn't go back and forth in this thread, but like i said its mostly just impression.

also, even though i'm pretty sure about what my type is i choose not to declare it at this time for several reasons and in this thread i've been typed every delta, mostly IEE, and i don't care, i'm basically whatever type you want me to be, lol. so if types are about politics, you can type me EIE and we can be even. lol.