/threadOriginally Posted by dinki
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<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" isand not
AGHHH LIEs do this to me alllllll the time. but so does my mom. but she sucks at a lot of things though she tries so hard.
LIE friend irl thinks he's perfect and has mastered everything. so wha? I like to try things out for myself... sure, the new dish I made was DISGUSTING. i just won't make it again.
^ on unrelated note.. I broke his faucet by accident. He was so pissed and couldn't wrap his head around that I accidentally broke it...somehow, (i don't even know how.. didn't do anything spectacular to it, just pushed it up for on, down for off.) he was convinced I did it on purpose... hurt my feelings. And I cried. like a useless puddle. I tried to fix it but I was kind of just in the way. I did pay for parts. Thank goodness he was able to fix it. and the damn thing turned out to be really really old and needed replacing anyways.
I....have a a tendency to not be perfect a lot of the time. and I might zone out for a few moments and break something. burn something. spill something. miss my exit. doesn't happen all the time. but enough.
Get back in the kitchen and quit breaking shit
IEI are insane (especially the women due to estrogen) on the inside, it gets worse as they get older.
Some people get worse as they get older, regardless of their type; but, I've discovered that people come to know their best self just before their exist to life.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Ne, Ne, Ne.......
I try telling an LSE to do something [fill in a number of things], then I get a wall of "no" then followed by thinking then followed by trying it themselves and then by liking what I asked them to do in the first place; results could have been achieved much more efficiently and conserved time HAD THEY DONE IT THE WAY I SUGGESTED IN THE FIRST PLACE. *but* try saying that to an LSE!!!! Response is "you're controlling."
Me: *********DIES************
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Come to know there best self just before their exist to life?
Yeah, I've seen it happen many times; my SLE friend, a few months before he had a massive heart attack was speaking to me about his mistakes with women he's made in life; he was unshakable optimistic that he was going to build himself up to being a strong man again and find what he NOW knew was exactly the type of woman who was the right match for him; I asked him to describe the woman and him never having known any type in socionics, began to describe the characteristics of his duals, in such vivid detail that it left me at shock because I had never since, in any conversation with another human being known anyone who know exactly what would in another person substitute their selves; it was a beautiful enlightened moment but a sad one too because he left shortly after. I hope his spirit, energy, transforms into another SLE's heart. He was a wonderful friend.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
So that's what happens when we die?
ESIs of the world. beware..
Duality that doesn't work?
Has anybody experienced that?
I just got out of a relationship with my "dual" and well it was far away from perfect to say the least.
Sincerely Yours,
Beyond the clouds. Beyond the sun.
The Rebel without a cause.
Never. I'm in love with each and every one of my duals. It's like a wonderland.
(I'm kidding). (and yes, naturally).
Yes I am starting to think the past experiences and the current conditions of each person can affect the relationship between two people very drastically.
The LSI I was dating was extremely sensitive and would take everything very seriously and even tho I found the seriousness attractive on the first glance the same trait made us move our own ways. We were arguing all the time because he would take all my words very personally. He had a very damaging relationship with his ex and he is still feeling very bitter about it. They have a son together and his main focus is his son as his ex(Exxp) parties all the time and doesn't take proper care of him as he says. So he works lots and most of the free time he has he spends with his son as he is only 3. From what I have gathered he is looking for someone very stable yet at the same time flexible. I wouldn't call myself the most stable nor flexible person.
I found a lot of his personality traits attractive and I am sure the feeling was mutual. We had same goals and same understanding of how things should work. Yet somehow it didn't work out. In two weeks time he went from "I want you to meet my parents to I don't think being with you is right. You are stressing me out."
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Sincerely Yours,
Beyond the clouds. Beyond the sun.
The Rebel without a cause.
On the other note I got an LSI friend of a different subtype whose past life experiences were more similar to mine and we get on just great. Makes you wonder...
Sincerely Yours,
Beyond the clouds. Beyond the sun.
The Rebel without a cause.
Of course many dualities will not 'click'. It's not important imo if someone is or not your dual, it's more important if it clicks. When this happens, it's rare and priceless.
sounds like shooting a raccoon.
I've said this in another thread, but I'm not as interested in the IEI-Ni's. They're kinda low energy. Considering it takes a long time for my energy to ramp up, I need someone who is already up there for me to sorta rendeznevous with. It feels like a drag when the other person's enthusiasm is dependant upon my own. So I generally look for the IEI-Fe 2's, 4's, 7's and 8's. I'm not sure if IEI-Fe 8's exist, but there's a gal I met who claims to be one, so, I guess its possible.
Yes, it doesn't work sometimes for many reasons, Sari. It's not because of Socionics and information system. It's because of external events and factors.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Socionics is flawless, duality is flawless, okay? :3
Trust the professionals for your relationship needs.
That makes sense because you are being activated by Fe, enthusiasm.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
LSE Si 7 with buffalo meat still works best for me
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
People often don't get along with their duals for many reasons. If someone spends a lot of time in an environment dominated by another quadra, one comes to expect the functions that quadra offers. And so even Duality is obscured because they aren't giving us what we have learned to expect. With any person, there are always individual foibles and values that differ greatly. Some people are just fucked up, for lack of a better word.
Aristocratic quadras are also an interesting exception: they often have lots of internal disagreements as well as fighting wars on external fronts. So there is going to be a lot of value-based splitting going on.
This is the reason I don't trust anything that bleeds for 5 days and doesn't die.LSE Si 7 with buffalo meat still works best for me
u just need to change their batteries then they are good to go
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
I can attest to that. In real life those were like constant explosions.
I disagree with this. Any type in one system can theoretically be any type in another. Even though I'm not one myself, I've known ILI 4s for example. Nietzsche is a great example of an IEI 5.
At least you're not fluffy.
I will allow you to believe that.
The same LSI has a Beta NF bestfriend who could be his dual, however he won't go out with her because he doesn't find her attractive. Well here you go. There is more to attraction than duality on its own.
Sincerely Yours,
Beyond the clouds. Beyond the sun.
The Rebel without a cause.
I used to believe more in duality. Nowadays I find that there are lots of couples who get along very well and are not duals. Furthermore your dual is basically so different from yourself that you can be judging, non-comprehensive, or just find boring or funny many of his traits. Imo ST types tend to get along well and also with SF types in intimate relationships, but definitely Sensor may seem more attractive to another Sensor and therefore generate more desire than Intuitive. And perhaps that applies for Intuitives too.The same LSI has a Beta NF bestfriend who could be his dual, however he won't go out with her because he doesn't find her attractive. Well here you go. There is more to attraction than duality on its own.
In any healthy relationship there are multiple areas in which a partner wants to dominate and the other is willing to submit. If in those areas both want to dominate, it's going to cause friction. If both partners are willing to submit in an area and neither wants to dominate, they will begin to see each other as dull and uninteresting. Success in an intimate relationship thus revolves around coinciding in the areas each want to dominate and submit.
In theory, a Socionics dual dominates you in the areas you're willing to submit and submits to you in the areas you want to dominate in. However, not everyone acts naturally in concordance with their type. For example, there is people who has enough life experience to transcend their type limitations. This kind of people needs a dual that has also taken a similar evolution path. Over time, it is likely that both will return to their natural preferences, but keeping symmetry is a fundamental factor to keep the relationship working smooth. I think a common mistake for many people is that, as they age and settle on preferences and opinions, they strive to dominate their partners on everything.
It all comes down to the fact that Socionics explains types and interactions between types, which are simple and predictable combinations of operating modes but that people develops unique ways to combine them over time, which we call personality.
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You know what? You're an individual, and that makes people nervous. And it's gonna keep making people nervous for the rest of your life. - Ole Golly from Harriet, the spy.
Recently, a friend and I had a falling out. She was my dual. I really tried to help her in everyway that I could but sometimes only a professional can really help. She had some psychological problems and a terrible childhood. Sometimes I wonder if what I did even helped her at all...
People can be really messed up sometimes. Occasionally it can be so severe that it takes years or even decades to heal. No joke. And sometimes, those wounds never heal without the proper help.
How about "human beings that don't work" that's better than saying "duality that doesn't work"
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
This. Almost all duals I've met had totally different values from me. From omg, we can only chat about Socionics to wtf this person is a fucked-up asshole. I don't know if it's because you expect info or values from other Elements or Quadras. I suppose it's an extremely different life experience. If one spends most time with books and the other only plays videogames by default, you can only count on "help from above" to make anything work.
Last edited by Amber; 01-03-2014 at 09:22 PM.
from what I know EIE is not flexible. My sister is one. But stable they are. I'm also skeptical about duality when it's about more than friendship. I've only dated 2 duals, neither experience led to a relationship. We lived in totally different worlds. It's like nothing of what is vitally important to me was part of their priorities in life. We could only go out and party in clubs. And with one talk socionics as the main intellectual topic.
they have quite rigid views about how people should behave and how relationships between them should proceed. But hey, I'm not saying I'm a teddy bear myself. It's just that for me it's more like "if it helps you advance in your career, do this" or "if it makes money, go for it". While her expectations seem less rooted in reality imho. I guess she's more idealistic, if I'm to use a soft term. EIE is stable in the sense that they have a goal in mind and gather all their forces to reach it. And eyes on the long term. For me it's relaxing cause I know my sister won't do totally unpredictable shit and I can rely on her. I kind of know what she would do and what she would never, given her general beliefs. So that's why I've been asking about duality stories here. It's weird, but, as explained above, in dating duality sucked.
Honestly, if you came to me and said "Maritsa, I think Jeffrey Dahmer (emotionally manipulating serial killer) is my dual...oh I LOVE him!!!" I would say "yes, honey, that may be true BUT HE KILLS PEOPLE FOR A LIVING" Lesson: yes, he may be your dual, but he's a terrible horrible human being who promotes and sustains a harmful environment perpetually. Someone who attracts a following, gets emotionally butt hurt easily, leaves with that entourage is a DANGEROUS PERSON. I can't tell people enough times. Yes, he may be your dual, but you want to look at the person that he is not the type.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I think Jeffrey Dahmer is my dual and that Killing people for a living is both hot and lucerative! Look at all those TV shows!
aaaahhhh my Jeffrey...
Thank you Martisa for introducing us!
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