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    Hi everyone!

    My friend and I were talking about this the other day--and then I started to wonder if anyone else had noticed anything similar re: their city or town....

    Recently, I moved from New Haven, Connecticut--a port city w/ 130k people that seemed to have, in general, Beta/Gamma values. Betas and Gammas had a lot of influence over the city's street and civic life. (Se was highly valued.) Even though New Haven had a high crime rate, and looked kinda run-down, I felt at home there--understood and valued.

    Now I live in Northampton, Massachusetts--and it's a lot different. The Northampton-Amherst, Mass area is a huge college town (Univ. of Massachusetts; Amherst College; Smith College; Mount Holyoke College, and Hampshire College are all within 10 miles of each other, scattered across these two small cities... When school's out, the population is 70k; when it's in, it's 110k or so!)

    NoHo-Amherst is aesthetically beautiful compared with New Haven, (it looks cared for in an Si way,) and there are tons of good restaurants.

    That said, it seems to me that it's almost entirely Alpha up here. (I've never heard so many conversations about sustainable growth! Or seen so many posters for hipster/indie bands! Or so often couldn't find a seat in a coffee shop.)

    The vibe up in these cities is just really different.


    Which leads to my questions: Do you think that certain parts of the country, or certain cities, attract different Socionics Quadras?

    If yes, do you have any guesses as to why?

    Thanks for reading everyone

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    Málaga, Spain

    City center and East: Gamma rational
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    San Antonio, TX (thereabouts)

    Very I guess.

    My dad says, "big city, small mind". One of the biggest cities in America, but it doesn't have much to promote about itself. Not much going on artwise, economy-wise, technology-wise. They have the San Antonio Spurs. That's about it. There's like 5 military bases here, and a lot of people in the military end up staying.. So that contributes to a sort of Delta "retiree" stereotype. People are generally friendly though and OK. There aren't very many central areas or places people do things together with. No hubs or college section where there's a lot of clubs or partying. There's a lot of suburbs and highways. You gotta get up close to find the human side of things and see where the fun is. Where a lot of people are in tight knit groups, kind of workaholics, and have get togethers and barbecues on Sundays. It's no place for a dreamer though. Sometimes I feel like that Depp character, Gilbert Grape. Sometimes the local government or some group has it in mind to try to kickstart new things.. like film festivals or even plans to have a "skyline" (for a big city, it doesn't have that either). I never see go anywhere though. Why the hell do I stay? No idea.. or, long story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuJu View Post
    Which leads to my questions: Do you think that certain parts of the country, or certain cities, attract different Socionics Quadras?

    If yes, do you have any guesses as to why?

    Thanks for reading everyone
    Of course - college towns are naturally going to create an Alpha vibe because they are centers of learning that are largely sheltered from the economic climate. On the other hand places like NYC attract business and success-oriented types. It's just a natural way for people with similar interests and priorities to meet and interact.

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    Perth, I think. It's just the practical reality of our city being placed really, really poorly for supporting life. There's consistent encouragement from the government to try and live more efficiently and economically.

    The whole lack of people is probably what gives it such a relaxed feel.

    I would be in Canberra, which I think is possibly LII, but I've kind of settled comfortably here in Perth. I was definitely repulsed from Sydney, which I think is an LIE city.

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    I live in a college town. Yes, I'd say Alpha.
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    I spend most of my time in 3 cities:
    Treviso (hometown) is IJ-Se (extreme Se subtype), in a stereotypical fashion. People love gossiping, are known for their fixation for expensive clothing, are really hard-working and sporty, and hate anything theorethical or abstract. Oh yeah, they (we, I guess) also love going to clubs.
    Venice is probably more - people are friendly, manic, don't care about clothing / being well dressed, culture is considered extremely important (literarly culture rather than scientific), and there's a certain tendency towards "unfair" business dealings (probably coming from its long history as a mediterranean commercial hub)
    Belluno (my gf's hometown) is stereotypically ENTj-Te: every young male dreams of becoming an engineer and building a new mastodontic dam, or becoming a famous montain climber; scientific culture is considered extremely important, start-ups are generally based on innovative technologies; people are very open and friendly, but rather blunt/rude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JuJu View Post

    The vibe up in these cities is just really different.
    ...
    Do you think that certain parts of the country, or certain cities, attract different Socionics Quadras? ...
    If yes, do you have any guesses as to why?
    Paul Graham has some thoughts relevant to this: http://paulgraham.com/cities.html

    I see a clear distincion btw "conform or be cast out" corporate cities like Houston and like I imagine Phoenix to be of the on one hand and more "creative" places like the SF bay area on the other. Also hostile and hurried places like Boston (ESj?) vs more friendly places. Not sure how it plays out in socionics terms though.

    Also, big cities seem to attract different kinds of people from small towns - people who are more "extreme" in one way or another.
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    Orinda, CA
    Probably , it's a really sleepy town with a lot of pretty scenery but nothing to do.

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    Nyc is too diverse to have a type, but if it had a type/quadra, it would be beta. Probably beta rational. The two representatives types of nyc are the LSIs who put their heads down and fight hard to run the city, and the big splashy lavish EIEs who plan their parties, entertain them, and give them a reward for all their hard work, something to work for. But then there are also sorts of enclaves and neighborhoods that are alpha, delta, gamma, beta, epsilon, arabic alphabet, cyrric, you name it.
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    Orlando, Florida seems mostly Beta and Gamma to me.

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    ... is it city VI time?!

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    I'm not sure, since moving out of the city I'd say it's probably more on the Ne/Si side here, possibly Delta-ish. Very close community orientated as a whole
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    ... is it city VI time?!

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    Bump. Los Angeles, CA is Beta af.

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    Berlin, Prenzlauer Berg - Delta

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    Louisville - little of everything but delta and alpha mostly. Lots of hunting, fishing, etc plus whatever the evolution of the hipster thing is now.. openness, seems like.

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    Addis Ababa has a lot of beta vibes and alphas that conform to the beta mindset (if that’s possible in Socionics)

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    Antwerp is delta imo. Especially if you go to the residential areas.

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    None of them are my city though so who knows

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    I’d be interested in hearing about cities that are harder to figure out as a foreigner.

    also i think that collage towns being alpha is true. Whenever I stray away from the typical alpha environment I find different values and it’s jarring. The whole city or area feels different with different values. But somehow I end back where I was. It’s like there’s an ‘invisible wall’ that separates these Quadras.

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    Lots of redneck confederate flag-waving nationalist where I live, so beta maybe.

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    NYC is a Gamma/Beta in Gamma stronghold, valued +/- Se all the way. And Stockholm is Delta af.

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    An American friend from this forum once visited me here in the capital city Helsinki in Finland. He said it seems Beta. I agree. Beta ST. Although some might say Delta.

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    I've often read Finland is a country of choice for those who are INFP in MBTI so that's interesting. I think I live in a mix of a gamma/alpha city :/

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    Seattle, WA is pretty Alpha/Delta. Lot of people move here to retire. There's also a lot of innovations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bouncingoffclouds View Post
    I've often read Finland is a country of choice for those who are INFP in MBTI so that's interesting.
    Really? Do you remember why? I don't understand why IEIs would like Finland. I think they'd be happier in Russia.

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    I don't remember why, I'm sorry. They may have been speaking more at delta and EII as INFP's are often EII, I think even slightly more often than IEI. Does delta and EII seem more appropriate?
    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    Really? Do you remember why? I don't understand why IEIs would like Finland. I think they'd be happier in Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    Really? Do you remember why? I don't understand why IEIs would like Finland. I think they'd be happier in Russia.
    I'm going to visit Russia after delaying it for a long time, and I'm pretty excited about it. The thing that I've noticed is that it has a lot of subcultures and it's rich in that sort of stuff-- it also has what I think is the BIGGEST generation gap in any country in the world. Seriously, Russia puts the "ok boomer" joke to shame.
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