Official VI Lucid Thread

[mu4]

Lol ok the insertion of that word completely changed my mind!

Am I even trying to change your mind?

Yea, I hyper-analyze with my vulnerable function(usually getting nowhere) too but I don't really talk about it, except in private with trusted people and usually to seek their advice or comfort. Your ego functions is what you are confident in talking about with anyone, anytime, anywhere. It's how you deal with impersonal society and the people that populate it.

I didn't say I was hyper-analyzing my Ti or anything, see as far as you know you don't know what the nature of these hyper-analytics are, although you've quickly jumped to a conclusion about them, which to me shows your approaching my type with an agenda.

You seem to have been confused about what I was saying because of that missed word.
I didn't jump to any conclusions about it. I was talking about how I deal with my vulnerable function and explaining how the ego function works. I'm actually trying to get you to open up about your thought processes, but it seems you're not willing.

CAN WE AGREE TO DISAGREE, FINALLY??? I'll accept the fact you think I'm ____ Type, and You accept the fact I think I'm ILE, you can even think I'm wrong, it won't bother me at all.... and then we can both get on with life? Just tell yourself, I am unable to be convinced by your arguments because of that Ti-PoLR :wink:

I don't think it is necessary to convince you. But I think there is a lot others can learn from my scrutiny of how you present your information beyond this discussion or any rhetorical persuasion.

If you don't say anything then I won't have anything to analyze. I hope I've stuck to just analysis of what you have said in this thread pretty well, but sometimes I like to make a funny.

[Gilly]

"This is how I'd personally characterize my thought process and writing in psychology. I don't base my conclusions about things that are moral or psychological on my feelings, but rather on my thoughts derived from basic axioms which may pertain to subjects which traditionally appeal to ethical types; i.e. morality and psychology.

Ideally I would like to break down my views on morality and psychology into infalliable directly observable logical axioms, but I've noticed that this approach is ridiculously tedious and time consuming, so instead I accept certain things as "assumed" axioms in order to arrive at conclusive results, which may be overthrown if the basic axioms are held in contest by contrary evidence."

We should talk more, and figure out what type "we" are, because I'm fairly sure we're similar/the same type from VI, watching you, and the things you say about yourself.

[inumbra]

I think you look intuitive but sadly that's all I got.

[The Ineffable]

CAN WE AGREE TO DISAGREE, FINALLY??? I'll accept the fact you think I'm ____ Type, and You accept the fact I think I'm ILE, you can even think I'm wrong, it won't bother me at all or if you desire I can pretend to be bother by it.... and then we can both get on with life?

Facts and reliability of arguments are not up for bargain, I'm sorry :|. To me, you have no justification to claim that your posts are your personal business, as long as you make claims on a typing discussion board. There's nothing personal in it and the only inappropriate thing is to misrepresent the other through fallacies - what you actually do, IMO.
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To address some previous issues:

1. I did not "force" you in any manner, I'm not focusing on you neither presenting you in a "bad light". This all happens in your mind. I simply address your claims and make observation on your personality, as long as *you* are the subject of this dissection. I know this sounds LSI-ish, but it's technically correct, using "dissection" instead of "discussion/analysis" to press your values successfully discriminates between Fi-Base and Ti-PoLR, there's no easier procedure than that, IMO. Indeed, feeling cold-bloodedly framed, targeted, chased for no reason - overwhelming feeling that you manifest - demonstrates that your Ti-PoLR is almost certain. It's similar to the reaction of a living organism to a chemical compound.

2. I tried to perform your thought experiment: it's not applicable to this matter. First and foremost, no one tries "solely to annoy" you, stop presenting your paranoia as a fact. A different matter would be if I was claiming in the scientific circles that I'm only 6 years old, based on different false claims and forgeries. Sending someone to monitor me and dig my life is not only justified and understandable, but also reasonable. Claims should always be verified.

[Beautiful sky]

Take something such as american politics. The platforms of republicans and democrats couldn't hardly be more divided and mutually exclusive. They are designed that way as a necessity of bi-partisanship. This generates a populus which is logically inconsistent over their agenda. Why don't you tackle that problem, attempting to make all those people consistent with each other to the "truth", rather than waste your time with little old me in corner of some obscure internet forum.

I will say, in terms of inconsistency in my behavior and the ILE description, that their is no inconsistency, as the descriptions says the ILE is not afraid to argue or discuss his views.

It doesn't say the ILE always argues or discusses his views when the opportunity arrises.

For two reasons (why do I fucking have to waste my time explaining this out...)

1) Not being afraid to do something, doesn't mean you are immediately going to do it? Are you too afraid to leave this topic? I'm guessing you'd answer no... but that doesn't mean you are going to leave this topic (which I wish you would)... because being afraid/unafraid does not have a direct correlation to action/inaction.

2) You've forgotten to account for "his" views, this implies a particular ownership. It's not a simple topic that is introduced to the ILE. There is a difference between discussing something that originates from own will and belongs to them and discussing something which is being coerced or asked of them out of the will of another person.

You are an ILE, let's imagine a thought experiment, if I paid a man $400,000 dollars to find where you lived, follow you around and ask you questions, specifically questions which I had selected that were annoying to you. Everywhere you went in public this man would follow you and ask you questions, he would revise his strategy often in the best way, solely to annoy you. An example of a question would be asking a man who recently divorced his wife because she cheated on him "Why did your wife cheat on you?". Questions like this.

Now... would it be suffice to say that after a given amount of time you would choose willfully to ignore this person, ask them to leave, attempt to pay them off, retreat from them, request a restraining order, or simply brutally kill them for peace of mind?

I find it hard to believe that somehow, one must answer every inquiry that comes there way with enthusiasm and gusto for them to be ILE, and any attempt to sidestep such inquiries is infalliable proof that they are not ILE.

I think if you honestly consider such a thought experiment, the "question" man and the ILE... that you could plainly see, that this is a poor and sloppy characterization of the ILE thought process.

It is much different when the ILE feels a sense of ownership to a particular new idea or prospect, that they strongly advocate. This is derived from the base function Ne.



That's reasonable, but the way I read most of it was "your writing style sucks, you argue shitty, and you talk too much about moral shit".

Thought and analysis (especially with regards to what the meaning of those things that you observe somehow match or don't with one another and how they relate with other things -Ti) are coming before Ne and seeing ideas and how those ideas fit into systems. I've never seen an ILE do this and there are no descriptions of them being interested in this as they use Ne, an extraverted function which observes the existence of ideas and certain thoughts. You're not saying the things Ne type would.

[Jarno]

Has nobody noticed that he talks like an LII or at least an Alpha NT.

Everybody is analyzing in depth, while the evidence is simply at the surface.

[Beautiful sky]

Has nobody noticed that he talks like an LII or at least an Alpha NT.

Everybody is analyzing in depth, while the evidence is simply at the surface.

That applies to both types.

[mu4]

Going to analyze.

You are an ILE, let's imagine a thought experiment, if I paid a man $400,000 dollars to find where you lived, follow you around and ask you questions, specifically questions which I had selected that were annoying to you. Everywhere you went in public this man would follow you and ask you questions, he would revise his strategy often in the best way, solely to annoy you. An example of a question would be asking a man who recently divorced his wife because she cheated on him "Why did your wife cheat on you?". Questions like this.

Now... would it be suffice to say that after a given amount of time you would choose willfully to ignore this person, ask them to leave, attempt to pay them off, retreat from them, request a restraining order, or simply brutally kill them for peace of mind?

This is a moral thought experiment. The appeal is moral in nature and a sort of, "Wouldn't it be wrong if this happened to you?" The conclusion is fairly rational and expected since we have seen the impassioned actions of people pursued by paparazzi, including Princess Diana's car accident, various actors destroying paparazzi cameras and the general exclusiveness of celebrities.

However, I think the characterizations can be viewed in another light, the actions being taken here is not necessarily that of a "question" man who is badgering. However this is a expression of personal annoyance and there is probably a certain amount of antagonism between the subjects. I think however that this is more a case of a scientist observing/commenting on a specimen then a badgering paparazzi.

From this verbalization, I think we can make a few observations.

• The subjects is personally annoyed at the line of questioning. I find this particular chain of reasoning interesting. Would "a man who recently divorced his wife because she cheated on him" be annoyed by "Why did your wife cheat on you?" Let's transform this to match the discussion in question. How would "a man who recently was logically inconsistant" feel about "Why were you logically inconsistant?". I think the answer is clear, annoyed. For HLD's moral argument to be true, he would have had to be logically inconsistant and for the question to have annoyed him. It would also have to be annoying to the point where these actions were a option.
• It should be reiterated he is making a moral appeal. "What would you do if this happened to you?"
• I want to highlight this particular passage here because here he is doing something creative and making a appeal socially. In other parts of the post he seems less confident.
• I want to highlight the very personal representation of Bolt's behavior, a paid badger-er with question tailored specifically to annoy. This is a highly unrepresentative strawman, nobody's being paid and I think there is a entirely different reason why Bolt's question's are annoying to HLD. One, I've observed that Bolt can seriously annoy a lot of people; furthermore, I think there's is probably some form of information compatibility between the two. However from this representation of Bolt, he is able to make the conclusion that he's in the right and Bolt's in the wrong.

a given amount of time you would choose willfully to ignore this person, ask them to leave, attempt to pay them off, retreat from them, request a restraining order, or simply brutally kill them for peace of mind?

I think that certain actions have already been attempted on HLD's part, so it's empirically sound in that respect. I think what's missing is that he hasn't divorced his type... er I mean wife.

I find it extremely hard, if not impossible for me to justify a logical sociotype here.

[HERO]

I think your username is cool. I'd say I've been fairly interested in lucid dreams for years, yet I haven't experienced too many, or perhaps I've forgotten a lot of them since I don't write down my dreams enough. Yet when I was younger I did read a lot more on them, and I did succeed in becoming lucid in some of my dreams, yet not for long. It takes practice. I might order a book or two from the library.

I think you might very well be Alpha NT, yet, based purely on V.I. (although I didn't do a very thorough analysis) you look quite Delta. So I can say almost 100% that you're a Judicious type. For some reason I thought you look a lot like an ESTj (LSE):

http://www.socioniko.net/ru/type-foto/ps-fil.html


Yet, V.I.-wise I could also believe Delta NF:
http://www.socioniko.net/ru/type-foto/ri-fil.html (EII)

http://www.socioniko.net/ru/type-foto/ir-fil.html (IEE)


I also think your V.I. corresponds to Alpha NT a fair bit too. I guess I can't really make a choice between Delta and Alpha.

I don't know if you have Ekaterina Filatova's book Understand the People Around You: An Introduction to Socionics, yet I'll include some brief quotes:

The ENTp (ILE) --

Ekaterina Filatova, Understanding The People Around You: An Introduction To Socionics (Hollister: MSI Press, 2006), 82:

- p. 82 [THE SEEKER: Intuitive-Thinking Extravert (ITE)]: "Their criteria for integrity are exceedingly high, as a rule. They are demanding, not only of themselves, but of those around them.

What does <sorry> mean?> asks Vlad (a Seeker), <What's done is done. With time, of course, it'll fade from memory, but if a person does something bad, then says <sorry>, what's been done won't disappear! If a person deceives once, then what guarantees they won't do it again?"


The ESTj (LSE) --

Ekaterina Filatova, Understanding The People Around You: An Introduction To Socionics (Hollister: MSI Press, 2006), 108:

- p. 108 [THE PROFESSIONAL: Thinking-Sensing Extravert (TSE)]: "When the time for college examinations comes, Michael begins to methodically read all his records and manuals, and spends a lot of time reviewing each theorem. It often happens that he manages to read a greater part of the necessary materials, which he knows perfectly, but can get low grades on exams when questions concern the part of the material he did not have time to read."


The ENFp (IEE) --

Ekaterina Filatova, Understanding The People Around You: An Introduction To Socionics (Hollister: MSI Press, 2006), 77-78:

- pp. 77-78 [THE INITIATOR: Intuitive-Feeling Extravert (IFE)]: "As they have little respect for accepted norms of behavior and the social hierarchy, they may sometimes look flippant . . . At all costs, Initiators try to maintain friendly relations, searching for compromises when needed. They consider that friendship is more important than <holding on to principles>. If they find themselves the CEO of the company and they must downsize it, they will try to find a well-paying job for those fired to minimize their distress."


I'm not sure what else to add, yet I'd say that these are the main types I'd consider for you: ENTp, ESTj, and ENFp, as well as INTj and INFj.

[Beautiful sky]

- p. 82 [THE SEEKER: Intuitive-Thinking Extravert (ITE)]: "Their criteria for integrity are exceedingly high, as a rule. They are demanding, not only of themselves, but of those around them.

This is why I originally thought I might be ILE, but after having considered Fi, I was sure that I had a lot of ILE in me, but was not as Ne as they are.

[1981slater]

Infantile + EP = ILE/ENTp

P.S. I knew that was you the first time you put these pictures up. And I know a lot of people said IEI, but I don't see any look on you. You almost look like MegaDoomer, except he looks more like he will destroy you by looking at you—in comparison to you—where you will destroy someone walking away from their explosion; like the last picture minus the airfield.

This has inspired me

[The Ineffable]

I would not object to ILE anymore. Other than that, I don't see any slight possibility you're anything else than Ne-Base.

[Shazaam]

I remember this thread.

I think you're IJ temperment. So let's break that down: That's either: INFj,INTj, ISTj or ISFj.

ISFj....no, because you're not 'bitchy' or morally-guardian-ish enough for that. You don't really moralize often and if you do it's in a way that's kind of insecure, no offense- but it just doesn't seem to be an area you're confident in.

ISTj...hmm, maybe. My quadra? Perhaps. I do understand you pretty well but then again it's hard for me to fully emotionally connect with you - which might signal Fi-polr, which just goes you back to being entp again. But ur temperment seems more IJ. You're probably not ISTj though because you're not aggressive enough and I have a hard time seeing you as a sensor.

INFj... oh no not at all. I just can't see how you'd be Fi-valuing, let alone be Fi-ego.

INTj.... I think this is the most likely type for you. You seem to have Se polr because when you lash out at others it just doesn't work because deep down inside I can see your innocense too much. I think you'd respond very well to somebody showing you lots of caregiving love and affection. And you seem to enjoy it when I give u Fe.

You're just like a cooler INTj. You're a cool guy, you look pretty bitch-ass with those shades. A lot of INTjs are just....more awkward and nerdy looking than you. You're still INTj nerdy, with your video game love and music making but you also dress really well and come across as independent. That's attractive cuz in your heart of hearts your a nerd who likes 16types adventures but you also know how to dress well.

I wish you were gay you look sexy to me in that pic of u wearing shades. =p

[Creepy-male]

I remember this thread.

I think you're IJ temperment. So let's break that down: That's either: INFj,INTj, ISTj or ISFj.

ISFj....no, because you're not 'bitchy' or morally-guardian-ish enough for that. You don't really moralize often and if you do it's in a way that's kind of insecure, no offense- but it just doesn't seem to be an area you're confident in.

ISTj...hmm, maybe. My quadra? Perhaps. I do understand you pretty well but then again it's hard for me to fully emotionally connect with you - which might signal Fi-polr, which just goes you back to being entp again. But ur temperment seems more IJ. You're probably not ISTj though because you're not aggressive enough and I have a hard time seeing you as a sensor.

INFj... oh no not at all. I just can't see how you'd be Fi-valuing, let alone be Fi-ego.

INTj.... I think this is the most likely type for you. You seem to have Se polr because when you lash out at others it just doesn't work because deep down inside I can see your innocense too much. I think you'd respond very well to somebody showing you lots of caregiving love and affection. And you seem to enjoy it when I give u Fe.

You're just like a cooler INTj. You're a cool guy, you look pretty bitch-ass with those shades. A lot of INTjs are just....more awkward and nerdy looking than you. You're still INTj nerdy, with your video game love and music making but you also dress really well and come across as independent. That's attractive cuz in your heart of hearts your a nerd who likes 16types adventures but you also know how to dress well.

I wish you were gay you look sexy to me in that pic of u wearing shades. =p

Lol I really don't like the way you use socionics that much tbh, but I at least understand what you are communicating if that makes sense lol... I understand the message, but I use the language of socionics differently etc...

Anyways I completely agree about the moralizing thing. I do talk a lot about ethics as hkkmr, bolt, and you have pointed out but the thing people don't get is that I see myself as a moral thinker rather than a moral preacher. I like to think things through in a somewhat personal esoteric/philosophical manner to arrive at certain moral conclusions, and I like to share these. That's different from someone who preaches... preaching is more direct. It's a proclamation of the truth... an inspirational message etc... its more direct and conclusive. A moral thinker is more open ended. That's why I'm more insecure. I'm not trying to inspire people with my moral thoughts, I'm trying to connect together things logically. A lot of people disagree with me though because they don't understand the method to my logic, or semantics, or they disagree with the root principles, and it becomes a debate, which I try to clarify, but usually divulges into a bad argument.

My thinking is a lot more "law" like in nature. As in what are the root principles to morality. I feel more as though the goal of my moral thinking is to develop major themes and aphorisms I can rely on. That I've spent time defending and have developed and grown.

That's the insecurity I think you're seeing. I'm not trying to raise people's spirits on here and fire them up... I'm trying to build those themes and aphorisms. Currently I'd say those themes and aphorisms are pretty broken... I feel like I came on here with some fairly strong and consistent aphorisms and themes... and really they've gotten picked apart quite violently. Which is fine because it will only lead to me going back to perfect them. Next round, once I get my mojo back they will be better understood, better communicated, more confident, and so forth.

I could come on here and preach simple christain 101..... "HEY YOU KNOW WHO IS AWESOME JESUS IS! HE DIED FOR YOUR SINS! THATS PRETTY AWESOME! HAVE YOU EVER DONE SOMETHING YOU REGRETTED AND FELT GUILTY ABOUT IT!!! WELL GUESS WHAT!!! JESUS KNEW THIS!!!! WOW JESUS IS PRETTY SMART!!!! HE KNEW THAT PEOPLE MADE MISTAKES!!!! SO HE SACRIFICED HIMSELF SO THAT GOD WOULD FORGIVE YOU FOR THOSE MISTAKES!!! JESUS IS A PRETTY GOOD GUY!!!!! SO NEXT TIME YOU MAKE A MISTAKE JUST REMEMBER NOT TO SWEAT IT BECAUSE GOD GAVE HIS SON SO THAT YOU'D BE FORGIVEN!!!!!! YOU MAY BE SAYING THAT'S IT!!! I DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING!!!! YES THATS IT!!!! ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS AFFIRM CHRISTS NAME AND YOU FORGIVEN AND WILL GO TO HEAVEN!!!!! JESUS IS ALRIGHT!!!!!"

Further I could go out and seek a christian group of like minded people and be a hero in that sphere constantly preaching to them, as they hail me as some great communicator and motivator... but I really prefer the process of creative destruction so much more. Constantly throwing my ideas at the opposition and refining things.

[krieger]

i want you to be ENTp.

[717495]

The pics just remind me of Gilly.

[golden]

i want you to be ENTp.

Works out well, because he seems pretty damned ENTp.

[krieger]

that's beside the point.

[woofwoofl]

valuing as all hell, and very likely Negativist - I get IEE, probably Ne-IEE from you, I've known a few Ne-IEEs that had a lot of uncertainty and distance about them... and as for similarities between you and Gilly? You and him, if you were IEE, would be Quasi-identicals; more than just a few passing similarities can be found between me and Mountain Dew, my Quasi-identical...

Hell, you've even got an IEE in your avatar!

[ragnar]

assortment of pictures

My impression is ILI.

[Beautiful sky]

I would like to ask for a video recording of you please. You may make one effortlessly on youtube.

[Shazaam]

Lucid (sorry it took me so long to get back to you)

Thank you for your blunt honesty, but this is a socionics forum where everybody is subjugated to be analyzed via the functions. I can still see you as a middle class independent boy with a big heart, that has good 'business social skills' but does poorly when expressing his desires in a more romantic sense... However since you are Fe/Ti valuing this is a lot more tolerable to me.

You remind me of myself when I was in high school, and I always wanted to connect with a boy like you, as a friend- because you were usually the types that were nice to me, and didn't bully me. And then on some threads you talk about your job and your places that you work and I can't help but thinking 'how middle class' (I don't mean that in a patronizing way)

It's like you are responsible and those are very endearing traits, and part of you really wants to succeed and not just be dragged down to the sociopathic underbelly of society's dirt bags. But the drama of interpersonal relationships is going to drive you crazy, and you are going to cut yourself off too much from humanity's dirty, smelly core and sooner or later you'll snap, and probably then want to be in a relationship "Like a normal person."

But like most smart guys, this won't happen until later in your life probably.

[Creepy-male]

Lucid (sorry it took me so long to get back to you)

Thank you for your blunt honesty, but this is a socionics forum where everybody is subjugated to be analyzed via the functions. I can still see you as a middle class independent boy with a big heart, that has good 'business social skills' but does poorly when expressing his desires in a more romantic sense... However since you are Fe/Ti valuing this is a lot more tolerable to me.

You remind me of myself when I was in high school, and I always wanted to connect with a boy like you, as a friend- because you were usually the types that were nice to me, and didn't bully me. And then on some threads you talk about your job and your places that you work and I can't help but thinking 'how middle class' (I don't mean that in a patronizing way)

It's like you are responsible and those are very endearing traits, and part of you really wants to succeed and not just be dragged down to the sociopathic underbelly of society's dirt bags. But the drama of interpersonal relationships is going to drive you crazy, and you are going to cut yourself off too much from humanity's dirty, smelly core and sooner or later you'll snap, and probably then want to be in a relationship "Like a normal person."

But like most smart guys, this won't happen until later in your life probably.

I think you are right about the opening up in a romantic sense, I'm a typical e5 who struggles too much with keeping my feeling reserved, and I end up analyzing and observing reality more than I wish.

Also the entire concept of drama of interpersonal relationships... very true this is also e5, withdrawl as a result of the more gritty aspects of reality. Although for me I don't necessarily think this is too much a problem as I can be rather cynical enough to appreciate the shittiness of reality from time to time. It's more just the drama causing me to withdrawl back into being more reserved.

I think you are right overall though, and its kind of daunting, but those are the challenges in front of me. To learn how to open up emotively more and withstand the constant duress that interpersonal relationships will create in terms of drama. Then again everyone faces those problems, its just that they don't have the same strategy as maybe I do, which is to withdrawl from reality. e8's for example, they typically deal with interpersonal drama very sadistically, I mean everyone has their challenges... thats no reason to give up hope.

But I think you've accurately characterized my internal conflicts.

[07490]

I think havelucid is LII-Ne.

Yea. WOW my typing is almost always the same as yours.

[woofwoofl]

I think havelucid is LII-Ne.

Yea. WOW my typing is almost always the same as yours.

Holy shit, I like this

I had Ji-ENxp in my list; moving to Ti-ILE kept the Alpha-Ti, moving to Fi-IEE kept Negativist, moving to LII keeps all of the above... gonna think this one over a few minutes, then probably sit on LII for you...

[Raver]

Body-energy-wise and in a few picturs, I am reminded of myself. Also Stephen Fry, who is Fe dominant, probably EIE (long-time best friends with Hugh Laurie, LSI extrodinaire), comes to mind, especially the eyes:

You also have a similar look eye-wise to my girlfriend, another EIE, in these pictures. Maybe you are another really weird EIE who kind of secretly wishes he was an ILE, like me.

OR Maybe just maybe, he is another really weird ILE who kind of secretly wished he was EIE, like you.

[717495]

ZOMG LUCID IS EIE NO WAI

[Beautiful sky]

No, he's such an analyzer.

[The Ineffable]

OR Maybe just maybe, he is another really weird ILE who kind of secretly wished he was EIE, like you.

Irrelevant. Everyone secretly wants to be his/her Beneficiary.

Edit: I mean that it would be "weird".

[neko]

esi

[Beautiful sky]

esi

and may be seen as being used interchangeably because they are roles to each other; this would actually make him LSI and looking like ESI

[Creepy-male]

Lol what a shitty thread, why do I occasionally get ESI things.... I think ILE is solid option on the VI side. I think LII is a solid option on the side of my writing.

But ESI, I'm the furthest thing from one.... ESI is typically e2-ish, I'm hardly e2. I'm a complete asshole with people and have trouble relating to Fi. I'm so much more of a thinker its insane, all my friends I've ever had never have seen me as a person with a "huge heart" or whatever... in fact I regularly get shit from my parents, my friends, my colleagues, whatever for being too thinking and sometimes aloof/difficult. I primarily interact with people by conversation which is bent towards thinking. I think my friends, family, and colleagues would describe me as interesting and bright to people I know and reserved towards people I don't know mostly with the ability to turn my reserve off when I want to.

Really if there was one thing I suck at its emotional things, and not emotional things in terms of art/writing/psychology things... but emotional things in terms with being that person that supports people, always there to help, a caring person etc. In most of my interaction I do help people its more on the basis of using my skills or abilities to perform some task for them, stuff like "hey my computer's broken".... I'll fix that. Not "hey I'm depressed".... I'll fix that by being a shoulder to lean on etc, by simply "being there" etc.... I'm not that kind of person at all.

Further the idea of my being a "Sensor" is pretty ridiculous. I went to school in San Antonio my first year of college and I realized driving through the area I went to school how much of an intuitive I actually was -- half the area I hardly even recognized, the sensory details almost entirely escaped me of the area, I found that I only recognized certain key landmarks. Thinking on this I realized when I was there I hardly ever paid attention to my surroundings besides a few key things, everything else was merely space in between that was insignificant. I never really took in the sensory details of the area, and I remember how much time I spent in my head the first year there. I roomed with 3 people I knew from high school, but since I was looking to transfer out after the first year my reality with people was very constrained. I would see a few people around campus I sort of knew, would talk to them, and never saw them after I left, hung out mostly with my roommates, and would go back to Austin at any chance I got to hang out with people I knew rather than trying to expand myself socially there. In the time in between all of this I would study, write music, and smoke weed most of my time... I remember the entire thing being very empty in terms of people and me spending more time in my head than I would like, mostly empty space I would fill with work-music-weed-thinking with occasional adventures I would undertake with my friends that I knew really well. It was pretty obvious to me on reflection on exactly how intuitive that was and how intuitive that sounded. Intuition is typically describe as a lot of things but one particularly interesting definition of the term is related to the idiom "intuitive leap"... the concept of arrive at a conclusion suddenly without a clear knowledge of the steps in between, the idea of connecting the dots, gestalt thinking and so forth. I think really looking deep into my life at that time it was obviously this is how I related to my perception of reality... certain portions of time were I was intensely in the moment and focused on reality with the rest of the time being in my head trying to connect the dots. That time is an especially good time to reflect on also because I remember it being a particularly self-awakened time and not one of those times I spent drudging through the day to day. In general that aspect has only grown in my perception, occasionally I get a pulse of something but mostly I just pound away at the superficial details, my life currently is like waiting at an airport terminal.

Anyways the intuitive aspect and the thinking aspect are rather obvious to me. If I were an ST or NF beta's would not be a bad guess but I mostly relate to NT and alpha NT. Finally my emphasis on the Ne-aspect over taking the formalized logic too seriously makes me relate to Ne more than Ti. I mean I make my living as an analyst and I got a physics/aerospace degree.

Also most of those pictures are when I was around 20, some a little older. That was midway through college... and most are from family vacations, as I don't really do the whole facebook/myspace snap a picture of myself everytime I have a beer in my hand at some social function thing.

I should take a picture more recently as I'm gaining on 25 yrs old, I'm basically just a little younger than dj.

[Creepy-pikachu]

lol @ infantile suggestions.

Seriously?

[Gilly]

lol @ infantile suggestions.

Seriously?

o.O What are you thinking?

[Creepy-pikachu]

Anything BUT infantile. Im sure youve read his posts. Good luck to anyone trying an infantile apprach on him.

A good example of an ENTp, albeit female, is Uli from Project Runway Allstars.

[ashlesha]

[Creepy-pikachu]

[Absurd]

Spastic Jadae is spastic.

[mu4]

Lol what a shitty thread, why do I occasionally get ESI things.... I think ILE is solid option on the VI side. I think LII is a solid option on the side of my writing.

But ESI, I'm the furthest thing from one.... ESI is typically e2-ish, I'm hardly e2. I'm a complete asshole with people and have trouble relating to Fi. I'm so much more of a thinker its insane, all my friends I've ever had never have seen me as a person with a "huge heart" or whatever... in fact I regularly get shit from my parents, my friends, my colleagues, whatever for being too thinking and sometimes aloof/difficult. I primarily interact with people by conversation which is bent towards thinking. I think my friends, family, and colleagues would describe me as interesting and bright to people I know and reserved towards people I don't know mostly with the ability to turn my reserve off when I want to.

Really if there was one thing I suck at its emotional things, and not emotional things in terms of art/writing/psychology things... but emotional things in terms with being that person that supports people, always there to help, a caring person etc. In most of my interaction I do help people its more on the basis of using my skills or abilities to perform some task for them, stuff like "hey my computer's broken".... I'll fix that. Not "hey I'm depressed".... I'll fix that by being a shoulder to lean on etc, by simply "being there" etc.... I'm not that kind of person at all.

Further the idea of my being a "Sensor" is pretty ridiculous. I went to school in San Antonio my first year of college and I realized driving through the area I went to school how much of an intuitive I actually was -- half the area I hardly even recognized, the sensory details almost entirely escaped me of the area, I found that I only recognized certain key landmarks. Thinking on this I realized when I was there I hardly ever paid attention to my surroundings besides a few key things, everything else was merely space in between that was insignificant. I never really took in the sensory details of the area, and I remember how much time I spent in my head the first year there. I roomed with 3 people I knew from high school, but since I was looking to transfer out after the first year my reality with people was very constrained. I would see a few people around campus I sort of knew, would talk to them, and never saw them after I left, hung out mostly with my roommates, and would go back to Austin at any chance I got to hang out with people I knew rather than trying to expand myself socially there. In the time in between all of this I would study, write music, and smoke weed most of my time... I remember the entire thing being very empty in terms of people and me spending more time in my head than I would like, mostly empty space I would fill with work-music-weed-thinking with occasional adventures I would undertake with my friends that I knew really well. It was pretty obvious to me on reflection on exactly how intuitive that was and how intuitive that sounded. Intuition is typically describe as a lot of things but one particularly interesting definition of the term is related to the idiom "intuitive leap"... the concept of arrive at a conclusion suddenly without a clear knowledge of the steps in between, the idea of connecting the dots, gestalt thinking and so forth. I think really looking deep into my life at that time it was obviously this is how I related to my perception of reality... certain portions of time were I was intensely in the moment and focused on reality with the rest of the time being in my head trying to connect the dots. That time is an especially good time to reflect on also because I remember it being a particularly self-awakened time and not one of those times I spent drudging through the day to day. In general that aspect has only grown in my perception, occasionally I get a pulse of something but mostly I just pound away at the superficial details, my life currently is like waiting at an airport terminal.

Anyways the intuitive aspect and the thinking aspect are rather obvious to me. If I were an ST or NF beta's would not be a bad guess but I mostly relate to NT and alpha NT. Finally my emphasis on the Ne-aspect over taking the formalized logic too seriously makes me relate to Ne more than Ti. I mean I make my living as an analyst and I got a physics/aerospace degree.

Also most of those pictures are when I was around 20, some a little older. That was midway through college... and most are from family vacations, as I don't really do the whole facebook/myspace snap a picture of myself everytime I have a beer in my hand at some social function thing.

I should take a picture more recently as I'm gaining on 25 yrs old, I'm basically just a little younger than dj.

I'm pretty sure you are intuitive dominant function. Which intuition and your creative function I'm not certain about. I'm not sure ethical types are always very supportive or caring either. I think you're IEE as my best guess, because imo no matter your proficiency with science or your job as a analyst(all of which is not really type related, your intuition dominance would explain that easily), your decision mechanism is more ethical than logical.

Anyways the intuitive aspect and the thinking aspect are rather obvious to me. If I were an ST or NF beta's would not be a bad guess but I mostly relate to NT and alpha NT.

Algorithmically and informationally, in this statement, you basically accept a set of possibilities but conclude base on the type you "relate" to most which is ILE that you are ILE. There is not a structure of logic or dependent causal framework you use to justify your typing, but simply, from your statement subjective feeling. If you one day relate to SEI more would you become SEI? Anyways, I don't think you're a positivist either. I don't think you're particularly bad in ethics, you might be an asshole, but if I had a nickle for every ethical type that was an asshole, you get the idea. Ethical types don't have some magical, how to be a nice supportive person skill. That's largely a product of desire, experience, and skill. A ethical type can be proficient at making others experience negative experiences as well.

Anyways, you should try to deal with some people of different types and see who you socialize with better.