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    Question Logic & Birds

    Extraverted Logic:



     




    Introverted Logic:



     


    ...And what do you think about this?

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    It seems the top image synthesizes, it has an origin and branches out to find more inclusions. The bottom image classifies and puts the birds into categories.

    I'd say accurate, but still not exhaustive.
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    They're both examples of Ti, actually. Ti is one that deals with the categorization of objects and ideas; Te deals primarily with motion, methods of doing things, efficiency of action, etc.
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    Not really sure if I understand your example, but in the case of inductive vs deductive reasoning, it looks backwards.

    Here's another simplistic example to demonstrate what I'm referring to:

    - If it is true we are in a forest, I therefore deduce that there must be owls.

    - There is a tree, and more trees around it. It grows darker, I see an owl, and look, a bridge. I induce that we've arrived at the southern end of forest.

    deals with facts first, and secondarily may eventually find an common principle. deals in principles first and foremost, and is able to come across facts to support them. All people can do either, but what you should notice about egos is that initial principles don't mean as much, as its more efficient to induce a larger picture or principle from all the facts and details they're already accustomed to, where as with egos, facts don't mean as much, as its more meaningful to deduce facts and details from a larger original picture or principle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    They're both examples of Ti, actually. Ti is one that deals with the categorization of objects and ideas; Te deals primarily with motion, methods of doing things, efficiency of action, etc.
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    Well damn, my calculations were wrong.

     

     


    Damn birds.

     


    Back to the drawing board.

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    timeless, these picture things are fun, i'm interested to see what you come up with next.

    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    Not really sure if I understand your example, but in the case of inductive vs deductive reasoning, it looks backwards.

    Here's another simplistic example to demonstrate what I'm referring to:

    - If it is true we are in a forest, I therefore deduce that there must be owls.

    - There is a tree, and more trees around it. It grows darker, I see an owl, and look, a bridge. I induce that we've arrived at the southern end of forest.

    deals with facts first, and secondarily may eventually find an common principle. deals in principles first and foremost, and is able to come across facts to support them. All people can do either, but what you should notice about egos is that initial principles don't mean as much, as its more efficient to induce a larger picture or principle from all the facts and details they're already accustomed to, where as with egos, facts don't mean as much, as its more meaningful to deduce facts and details from a larger original picture or principle.
    i like this.

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    Deductive/Inductive is better correlated to Process/Result:
    Process types

    1. Do things sequentially, from the beginning to the end.
    2. Immersed to a process and tends to single-tasking.
    3. Focus between the beggining and the end of processes.
    4. More inclined to read texts on books or computer from beggining to the end.

    Result types

    1. Do things randomly, seemingly doing them from the end to the beginning.
    2. Detached from processes and tends to multitasking.
    3. Focus on the beggining and the end of processes.
    4. More inclined to read texts on books or computer randomly, maybe reading random paragraphs or chapters.

    # The process IM types are : ILE, SEI, EIE, LSI, SEE, ILI, LSE, EII.
    # The result IM types are : ESE, LII, SLE, IEI, LIE, ESI, IEE, SLI.
    ILI (FINAL ANSWER)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispy View Post
    Deductive/Inductive is better correlated to Process/Result:
    Process types

    1. Do things sequentially, from the beginning to the end.
    2. Immersed to a process and tends to single-tasking.
    3. Focus between the beggining and the end of processes.
    4. More inclined to read texts on books or computer from beggining to the end.

    Result types

    1. Do things randomly, seemingly doing them from the end to the beginning.
    2. Detached from processes and tends to multitasking.
    3. Focus on the beggining and the end of processes.
    4. More inclined to read texts on books or computer randomly, maybe reading random paragraphs or chapters.

    # The process IM types are : ILE, SEI, EIE, LSI, SEE, ILI, LSE, EII.
    # The result IM types are : ESE, LII, SLE, IEI, LIE, ESI, IEE, SLI.
    I agree. In fact, DarkAngelFireWolf69 explores this connection in-depth in his Cognitive Styles article.

    EyeSeeCold: LSI, a Ti type, pretty clearly uses deductive logic. They're notorious for "thinking in a straight line".
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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    i like this.
    Thanks. I don't think the examples are very good, but I needed something to explain the idea and compare the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    Thanks. I don't think the examples are very good, but I needed something to explain the idea and compare the two.
    tbh, i don't even get the difference b/w deductive and inductive (it looks like there's confusion about it w/ people here anyway?) but i actually really liked the examples, they worked for me. /shrug. but the Te one seems "better" to me so i wonder what a Ti valuer might say or if i just liked it cos of bias or something.

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