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    IEI-Fe: Expressive, charismatic, and highly emotional. IEI-Fes know exactly what to say to provoke any emotional reaction they desire out of a crowd, and use it to their advantage. They are highly adept at emotional manipulation, and frequently use it to get their way. They frequently tend towards reservation however, due to suffering emotional lows and depression. Being highly emotional, this subtype tends strongly towards artistic expression.

    Most likely JCF type: ENFP
    Most likely Enneagram type: 4w3 sx/sp
    Most likely Oldham styles: Dramatic, Mercurial, Exuberant, Idiosyncratic
    Type exemplar: Marilyn Manson
    Possible forum example: Siverchris


    IEI-Te: The manipulative bastard type par excellence. The IEI-Te desires control and leadership, and by God, he will get it! What they lack in forthright aggressiveness compared to their more direct duals, they make up for in a keen understanding of the human mind and feelings, and how events unfold, which they then use to manipulate events to their precise advantage, in order to then TAKE OVER THE WORLD!

    Most likely JCF type: INTJ
    Most likely Enneagram type: 8w9 sp/sx
    Most likely Oldham styles: Self-Confident, Vigilant
    Type exemplar: Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars)


    IEI-Ne: A highly visionary type. IEI-Nes are flighty, fantasy-prone, and have brilliant and original ideas, which they use their charisma and skills of manipulation to make a reality. They’re additionally quite fun-loving, and often mess with other people for the sheer lulz of it.

    Most likely JCF type: ENFP
    Most likely Enneagram type: 1w2 so/sx
    Most likely Oldham styles: Inventive, Exuberant, Idiosyncratic, Mercurial
    Type exemplar: Albus Dumbledore (Harry Potter)
    Possible forum example: CloudCuckooLander


    IEI-Se: Fantasy-driven and impulsive, IEI-Ses are given over to creation and to enjoying life in their own peculiar way, which often entails wondering about the world, the meaning of little things and people’s motivations.

    Most likely JCF type: ISFP
    Most likely Enneagram type: 7w6 sx/sp
    Most likely Oldham styles: Mercurial, Exuberant, Adventurous
    Type exemplar: Amélie Poulain (Amelie)
    Possible forum example: Crazedrat


    IEI-Fi: Normally good-humored, but reserved and highly neurotic. They harbor the deep-seated concern that they can’t do anything right and/or that nobody else can either. They’re likely to be passive-aggressive and manipulative about ensuring that everything is just right.

    Most likely JCF type: INFP
    Most likely Enneagram type: 1w2 so/sx
    Most likely Oldham styles: Conscientious, Vigilant
    Type exemplar: Vivi (Final Fantasy 9)


    IEI-Ti: Pedantic and highly focused on their own structural framework of how the world should (or does) work. This type of IEI tends towards nerdiness and intellectual pursuits, and is often pathetically stubborn about their ideas being correct, tending towards feelings of vindictiveness towards people who disagree with them, but rarely openly displaying so.

    Most likely JCF type: INTP
    Most likely Enneagram type: 6w5 (Prussian) sx/sp
    Most likely Oldham styles: Conscientious, Vigilant
    Type exemplar: Thirteen (House)
    Possible forum examples: Niffweed, Subterranean


    IEI-Ni: Perhaps the most disconnected type from reality, the IEI-Ni’s mind resides high up far above Cloud Cuckooland, where the IEI indulges in their own fantasies away from the pesky external world.

    Most likely JCF type: INFP
    Most likely Enneagram type: 4w5 sx/sp
    Most likely Oldham styles: Idiosyncratic, Solitary
    Type exemplar: Luna Lovegood (Harry Potter)


    IEI-Si: Lazy, indolent, and unmotivated. IEI-Sis tend to sit around and indulge in their personal fantasies all day.

    Most likely JCF type: ISFP
    Most likely Enneagram type: 9w8 sp/so
    Most likely Oldham styles: Leisurely, Sensitive
    Type exemplar: Nunnally Lamperouge (Code Geass)
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    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

    -Victor DarkAngelFireWolf69, Dmitri Lytov

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    Im advocating this system. Just because i like how it resonates with what i want to be. Just oh so similiarly like you. Reality can be ah so easily shaped to keep pushing life to your preferred ideal self. Dont die .. NO BREATHE.

    I like being IeI-Se. Dont dare to question or you will be declared as entp too.
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    ...lulz.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

    -Victor DarkAngelFireWolf69, Dmitri Lytov

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    Criticize yourself- criticize others - change yourself within to make the world a better place - show beauty
    Criticize yourself - criticize others - change yourself within to make the world a better place - show beauty
    Criticize yourself - criticize others - change yourself within to make the world a better place - show beauty

    Y'all have the first two steps done really good but are missing on the last 2 parts that the rich upper class celebrities do.

    Poor class only does one of those steps.

    come on fireworks, let those colors bursts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Criticize yourself- criticize others - change yourself within to make the world a better place - show beauty
    Criticize yourself - criticize others - change yourself within to make the world a better place - show beauty
    Criticize yourself - criticize others - change yourself within to make the world a better place - show beauty

    Y'all have the first two steps done really good but are missing on the last 2 parts that the rich upper class celebrities do.

    Poor class only does one of those steps.

    come on fireworks, let those colors bursts!
    Something to be noted of betas, is that they very much posses the ability and allmost like with automatic response the reality distortion weapon, to convert everything to support theyr sense of self. Projecting as a way of life.
    Not quite insane, just somewhere hanging there.

    Now here, when someone actually seems wrong. In the name universal development through the interaction between small parts of our race, actually giving them negative impact through the force of criticizing is the most beautyfull thing one can do to push them towards the actual reality. Which seems to be somewhat of an ultimate goal of us.

    There are places and reasons for all the forces that we posses. Now Bullets i like you and wish you best in your quest towards your bubble of joy and happiness on the fag ride. But but your bubble will go through many spikes and damages, as the reality itself will strike you down, if you insist on all encompassing positivity. Which by itself is also quite depressing. I find it ironic that you are talking about change, and then about social classes as the prism of the change. Most likely intented, but clownish. Here you are supporting your self identity vs the actual of the scennario as you can project the image of the world saver once again.

    Do the world have other value than to serve as your fantasies tool ? Egoist phuck

    Fire the Cannons !
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewBorn STAR View Post
    Im advocating this system.
    Really??? you don't say!!!

    (where is that emoticon where you bang your head on a wall? *I need it*)
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Really??? you don't say!!!

    (where is that emoticon where you bang your head on a wall? *I need it*)
    This is just WRONG

    You have NO RIGHT
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Gilly, why is it wrong?
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Gilly, why is it wrong?
    Because you are so crazy that you have no right whatever to tell other people they are being unreasonable.

    YOU TYPE PEOPLE BY THE SLOPE OF THEIR NECK

    SERIOUSLY

    THINK ABOUT IT
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Because you are so crazy that you have no right whatever to tell other people they are being unreasonable.

    YOU TYPE PEOPLE BY THE SLOPE OF THEIR NECK

    SERIOUSLY

    THINK ABOUT IT
    I didn't say he was being unreasonable. Look at what he's doing; he thinks the system is good; hence he's judging the system; hence he's Ti base. As a matter of fact, he is being reasonable.
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    I didn't say he was being unreasonable. Look at what he's doing; he things the system is good; hence he's judging the system; hence he's Ti base. As a matter of fact, he is being reasonable.
    What

    I don't

    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Ne-IEI:



    Right???

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    I did not get it ?? i thought there were only 2 subtypes of every type ??? like INFP (IEI) has Fe and Ni subtypes .. plz explain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Introversion View Post
    I did not get it ?? i thought there were only 2 subtypes of every type ??? like INFP (IEI) has Fe and Ni subtypes .. plz explain

    Just walk away and forget what you've read here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stray View Post
    Just walk away and forget what you've read here.
    Teach me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Introversion View Post
    I did not get it ?? i thought there were only 2 subtypes of every type ??? like INFP (IEI) has Fe and Ni subtypes .. plz explain
    It's basically just cutting the apple into smaller and smaller pieces. Someone might argue there's 16 subtypes that can be accurately denoted, some 4, some 2. Another person might not think subtypes are valid at all. And another person may not prescribe to the idea that any type is accurate and that we shouldn't limit who we are as people into boxes(bruce lee).

    It's all just a mental construct, and thus is open to interpretation as deeply as you choose. I like the merit of these, and as long as i can keep my conceptual boundaries from overlapping, i find value in continually breaking things down smaller and smaller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    It's basically just cutting the apple into smaller and smaller pieces. Someone might argue there's 16 subtypes that can be accurately denoted, some 4, some 2. Another person might not think subtypes are valid at all. And another person may not prescribe to the idea that any type is accurate and that we shouldn't limit who we are as people into boxes(bruce lee).

    It's all just a mental construct, and thus is open to interpretation as deeply as you choose. I like the merit of these, and as long as i can keep my conceptual boundaries from overlapping, i find value in continually breaking things down smaller and smaller.
    yea makes sense !! apreciate it .. but i still wud stick with 2 subtypes .. that does the Job well done
    .. also coz more than 2 subtypes dont make dat much sense to me ..

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    Hmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    IEI-Si: Lazy, indolent, and unmotivated. IEI-Sis tend to sit around and indulge in their personal fantasies all day.

    Most likely JCF type: ISFP
    Most likely Enneagram type: 9w8 sp/so
    Most likely Oldham styles: Leisurely, Sensitive
    Type exemplar: Nunnally Lamperouge (Code Geass)
    Nunnally Lamperouge? I always thought she was sitting around and indulging in her personal fantasies all day because she's blind and in a wheelchair, but I guess she's just a lazy Si subtype.

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    Sorry for digging deep, but... are there more descriptions like this for other types?

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    ^I wondered the same thing when I read this way back....

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    From what I've observed Se-subtype IEIs have a kind of whimsical quality to them, given over to fantasy, or new and exciting experiences; as well as having poor impulse control. Leo DiCaprio's character from Titanic is probably one. Fe-subtypes are more dramatic and more emotionally charged and expressive.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

    -Victor DarkAngelFireWolf69, Dmitri Lytov

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    There are places and reasons for all the forces that we posses.
    Uh....sure.

    Now Bullets i like you and wish you best in your quest towards your bubble of joy and happiness on the fag ride.
    It appears you just said that to make yourself feel less guilty for criticizing me. It didn't seem to really come from the heart. But thank you anyway. =/

    But
    lol. It's okay. You can criticize me.

    but your bubble will go through many spikes and damages, as the reality itself will strike you down,
    Sure. The first two steps are important, I wasn't denying that. Just that the last 2 parts, changing yourself and being a nicer guy, and showing beautiful fag art- is what makes you famous. Maybe that's 'too mainstream' for you though. But the world approves of it, and tends to work that way. It's just like I said before in another post, forum people get off on the negative drama of it all. But the internet is a place for mouthing off...

    if you insist on all encompassing positivity.
    There's no such thing as that and I didn't even imply that there was. Did you even pay attention to the post? I just said that without the other 2 pieces in the puzzle, you will most likely be stuck. A lot of you guys like to label people being nice as 'fake' and maybe it is to an extent, but that's the type of thing that gets people ahead.

    You like to argue as much as me I take it. Wannabe friends?

    Which by itself is also quite depressing. I find it ironic that you are talking about change, and then about social classes as the prism of the change. Most likely intented, but clownish.
    It's just true to me though. Classes and economical balances of fairness is a concern of mine.

    Here you are supporting your self identity vs the actual of the scennario as you can project the image of the world saver once again.
    Maybe I shouldn't act all self-righteous all the time, but I like writing fantasy hero stories. It's what I like to do. You seem to like criticizing me, which like I said is cool. I shouldn't be so sensitive you know. But I will just use it to make my own self stronger!

    Do the world have other value than to serve as your fantasies tool ? Egoist phuck
    The world is shaped by our perceptions and what we think and feel its going to be more than anything else. Life is what you write it. You shape how other people treat you to a large extent via mental control. I'm just as brutally honest about my own shortcomings though, so I feel perfectably capable of judging other people for theirs! If people get all annoyed at me for it, it just makes me think that I struck a nerve. And that they needed to change what they were doing.

    Fire the Cannons!
    It doesn't matter. I will just use your petty criticisms of me to further my art that the world should be a nicer, faggier, and kinder place. Sorry. You're only gonna make me stronger. And more annoying and even more homosexual. I may have to write a comic about you now. *Hug*
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    All perceptions are true, so if one person says reality is this way, the next person will correct them and be all 'no, reality is this way' and then the next person will correct THAT person and infinite, and infinite on it will always go. It's why arguing never ceases- until everybody puts in their point of view. Which realistically it doesn't happen because new perceptions are constantly being gathered and new humans are being born. What we're all really doing, is simply stating our preferences.

    So we're going to be here until we're 95, arguing and arguing and arguing. Grab the popcorn.

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    Wrote long message, but faith cealed its destiny to bitspace.
    Nevertheless will give a more compact packet.
    To Bullets and Doves, with love.

    So your constant talking about critizising, only makes you seem anything but comfortable about it. More like trying to make yourself belief that its alright than anything else. And making yourself stronger implied only in a way that make your image and projection stronger, that you can better avoid bad words, by thicker illusions. That all protect your bubble of happiness.

    Instead of doing something concrete (im hypocritical though) towards the change, and giving your shot to the existing movements that have the similiar thoughtpatterns. You have to accept that your speciality and uniqueness are something of nonexistant. But the patterns and thoughts are allready there moving and grouping and instead of making a spectacle. a Cock statue for yourself. You need to have the faith and trust towards your brethen and join the. We cant get anything done if we are allways just creating something. If you really trust the unity and core similiarity of people then you can let go of your ego and be just part of the wave.
    Beautiful, isnt it ? You are just manifestation of the current and static as you embrace implicitly the values that they follow. Therefore you need to be truer to the essence of change.

    Being nice is no demand for famousness. There many those that crippled from humanity, and are mean. Reflecting theyr view of humanity, which might be polluted and reflected by theyr misfortunes in life, but nevertheless they might explode theyr evil energies to something creative and they create something that will symbolize the despair and evillness that they face and through that they give us something that really touches the human soul. And might deepen our understanding of us in anyway. And through this stimulus be important. Ofc these people might interpreted as a cry for help.

    World aproves your need of attention and your egocentrism. But those are as the world pains attention to the individual. We are collectively digging our grave. And your attitude is part of this. Maybe you as individuals dont need to feel so good and happy about yourself, why would you deserve it now.

    You like to argue as much as me I take it. Wannabe friends?
    Now first off my attention to you is not hostility, but interest. So be proud. And im friends with everyone. I just dont show it to people the way they would prefer. Lol at them.

    Maybe I shouldn't act all self-righteous all the time, but I like writing fantasy hero stories. It's what I like to do. You seem to like criticizing me, which like I said is cool. I shouldn't be so sensitive you know. But I will just use it to make my own self stronger!
    Lol so faagzyyy. This is actually expression of ip temperament, as instead of trying to affect me you accept and get opressed and change yourself within. SLAAVE.
    The world is shaped by our perceptions and what we think and feel its going to be more than anything else. Life is what you write it. You shape how other people treat you to a large extent via mental control. I'm just as brutally honest about my own shortcomings though, so I feel perfectably capable of judging other people for theirs! If people get all annoyed at me for it, it just makes me think that I struck a nerve. And that they needed to change what they were doing.
    I mostly agree with everything expect the beginning. We are part of the world and so we are shaped. And your view seems to be somewhat nihilistic towards truth. The world is shaped certain way, and our conciousness is moving closer to according the world. Through our belief system. And you seem to be an enemy of the process, making your make beliefs and inflicting others, you bitch.. The anything else is the actuality how we are. And we are digging deeper to ourself.
    It doesn't matter. I will just use your petty criticisms of me to further my art that the world should be a nicer, faggier, and kinder place. Sorry. You're only gonna make me stronger. And more annoying and even more homosexual. I may have to write a comic about you now. *Hug*
    *Hugs you back with bonecrushing ferocity <33*
    I might make my own comics too. You faggy fag would most likely ĺove to star it. Im not yet sure if i want to feed egotism, bitch. Make the world more like you. I make others more like the world. As am the word. This is ironical.

    Lets rape eachother.

    All perceptions are true, so if one person says reality is this way, the next person will correct them and be all 'no, reality is this way' and then the next person will correct THAT person and infinite, and infinite on it will always go. It's why arguing never ceases- until everybody puts in their point of view. Which realistically it doesn't happen because new perceptions are constantly being gathered and new humans are being born. What we're all really doing, is simply stating our preferences.

    So we're going to be here until we're 95, arguing and arguing and arguing. Grab the popcorn.
    Yeah your getting ahold of the process which by dialect goes through the synthesis allways adapting to the world. Some of those views are more true than others, and those which are not will perish. Like you will. Though there are just preferences, but theyr on matters that dont have more weight on them. Like jsut what band have u learned accustomed to-
    Btw still open for type ideas for me. Doubt is everlasting phenomenom in my mind. Quite sure im beta nf, but cant pinpoint which
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creep Of a beast View Post
    Btw still open for type ideas for me. Doubt is everlasting phenomenom in my mind. Quite sure im beta nf, but cant pinpoint which
    You talk like some IEIs, but I wonder why you would push this message so hard that bullets should conform to the world.. or think it's slavish to find resolve from within. Unless you're saying it all to make fun of yourself too, then I can't see you being one.

    Anyways, I think all of these subtypes are silly, but that's just me. Why not just ENFj?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    All perceptions are true, so if one person says reality is this way, the next person will correct them and be all 'no, reality is this way' and then the next person will correct THAT person and infinite, and infinite on it will always go. It's why arguing never ceases- until everybody puts in their point of view. Which realistically it doesn't happen because new perceptions are constantly being gathered and new humans are being born. What we're all really doing, is simply stating our preferences.

    So we're going to be here until we're 95, arguing and arguing and arguing. Grab the popcorn.
    Some truths are truer to thruth than others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by somavision View Post
    Some truths are truer to thruth than others.
    Agreed

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    @Clumsy-

    "Sorry that i exist!!!!!!!!!!!!"

    "And for my message"

    " Just behind all the apologizement, my desire is searching flesh in the form of allowing my schemes that support my ideal or sense of self. Please i have thought reall well ! Please say i can be this."

    THough your clumsy. You can still be iei-fe if you will. Your most certainly sympathetic bordering pathetic,in that your way of interacting with the otherness that is us. Is very apologetic and not intune with asking or taking from the otherness, but the attitude is more like you are more connected with the part of figuring stuf yourself and then giving to the othernes if it asks, so this reversal makes you take that pathetic form. (Dual seeking for me) Which are good signs for infp atleast. I can see myself here.

    From my perspective is that the truth here is that even though we could trust the personality theory, then still. Your self evaluations here are basicly worthless, because while you evaluate yourself you allready have the model in mind, and your identity which starts to shape your behavior too. So it becomes a self comfirmation tool. Might not be very natural behavior to you. Though sounds very much like you are in a state where you are recreating yourself from the past behavior, and here you are shaping yourself to this idea. So you are conditionalizing yourself to it.
    Here even when writing this the things that pop into your mind are those that support the idea of you being fe subtype. Self actualizing prophecy. Theres truth to the idea of core personality , but to which precision is quite in the mist. Basicly when your image dictates everything. You will just have to see how well does it hold in the face of truth. Here we are only seeing the projecting and the desperate cry in this form, where you have conciously or unconciously wrote a text that goes to the conclusion where you are iei-fe, even though now you have grasped the image and are leeching around it (with no true validation that you are actually it, as the image might not fit with actual world).
    When the pain and doubt of your type becomes too hard in the face of the world. I suggest you change your typing. So far if its working for you then good. And serving your most innate need of knowing yourself.

    First i thought i would be making long message and make you read it all, and then stating that you seem like iei-fe.
    I like you as you were good soundingboard for thinking. Let me fuck you in the future too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clumsy View Post
    To clarify, the Fe subtype does not always equal outgoing though? Or does it?
    Not really. The tendency is for IEIs to be very sociable, and D-sub IEIs even more so, but IEIs are an introvert type and even in their extrovert mode they can be reserved. In fact, of extrovert subtypes IEI-Fe is probably the most likely to withdraw, due to needing their space to deal with their own emotional tumult.

    So yeah, you could be IEI-Fe.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    don't these work in pairs to some extent? Meaning an Fe sub would also have the tendency to be like the Te subtype, Se+Ne, etc?

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    This is specifying the dual type dominant function?

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    I really like this thread.

    I thought of myself as an IEI-Ni, but based on this IEI-Ti works alot better. It also fits with the 6w5. Good thread

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