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    His mystification of Ni troubles me. I fail to see much strangeness in it. Well, it could be said that because intuitive base is always keen on mental imaginary thinking it kind of renders it as that for me especially being static and I clearly note that when I push down brakes. All it is about generating various associations and occurrences from the experience and putting it down as a timeline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comatose Zaniac 007 View Post
    His mystification of Ni troubles me.
    Ni is about the imagination directed to inner world. So it's lesser directed on objective reality and lesser linked with it. It's more than Ne associated with fantastic realities and beings - with metaphors, esoterical models and mythological perceptions.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    I would like to see if anyone can pose a good argument of why Carl Jung would be ESTp.
    I only have a terrible one I'm afraid (around 12:00 to 13:30 of this video)


    Edit: Made me realize, his and Aleister Crowley's writing is similar. When I read Book of the Law I thought holy shit this is the only book I read that matches Jung's messy writing. Lol both very out there and esoteric too.
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    IEI. His writing is heavily symbolic and Te PoLR. He can’t just get straight to the point by explaining anything clearly. He describes everything in metaphors, adds a mystical veil to everything. He said in an interview during the 1920s that he’s not good with reality despite liking the sensory world (Se suggestive). Apparently he self identifies as either Ti Se or Ti Ne but I don’t think that’s a reasonable assessment. Ti is heavily concerned with logical consistency and definition, which he’s really fuzzy on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dead account View Post
    I think I had a conversation with gulenko's team some months ago about Jung's type, and they told me he thinks Jung was an IEI. likely N or H subtype
    Yeah, likely N subtype since he focused heavily on Ti theory but also wanted to value people on an individual Fi basis by not wanting to quickly lump anyone.

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    IEI. Tritype 259? The Problem Solver
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    I think he VIs like Popeye.


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    I think that Jung looks like an IEI. He has a soft, curious, and open look about him.

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    Carl Jung was an ISTP. He did a lot of tests, experiments. INTPs and INFPs and all of them are thoughtful, not results oriented. He also, despite being esoteric, focus on reality, on the supernatural, on the mystical, but he's really not that playful or romantic like INxP. He does things in an orderly, predictive way. I find other ISTPs such as Bruce Lee to be very enigmatic and revolutionary in a grandiose, all world embarking magic, so even though I think that Carl Jung was the same type as Bruce Lee, Jung would ne nowhere near Lee's level. Jung is also not very random or rational, so he can't be an INTP, where there's boxes and facts on everything. He's also not INFP, because he doesn't flow well. But what about all the people saying he's INFJ? That's also not true, because Jung is not that imperious, domineering, or controlling. J is completely absent in his personality.

    Personally, I find ISTP and INxP more interesting than INFJ usually, because P is universal, expansive, redefining, unleashed. INFJ is just generally new age traps and illusion. So I'm kind of taking Carl Jung as someone similar to Me as an INTP, but 1 letter different, ISTP. Some traits in common yes, but no Bruce Lee level ISTP.
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    ILI, lol? Video seems to depict Ni imagery (Ni<->Si). Yet you seem to have plenty of Ne that spins from Ni vacuum.


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    Was anyone interested in Jung before socionics? I’ll confess my knowledge was limited. But I had been drawn to him by quotes and watched a documentary on him which really moved me. I had a quote of his on my dating profile once and remember an Estp being really impressed by it. Not that this means much, but sometimes things do mean things. Open to non-IEI.
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    Obvious LSI. Ni-HA and Ti base with Si+Se.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bethany View Post
    Was anyone interested in Jung before socionics? I’ll confess my knowledge was limited. But I had been drawn to him by quotes and watched a documentary on him which really moved me. I had a quote of his on my dating profile once and remember an Estp being really impressed by it. Not that this means much, but sometimes things do mean things. Open to non-IEI.
    I was interested in the collective unconscious, which is why I imported his book from UK Waterstones "The Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious". This kind of thing is highly interesting to ppl with Ni-HA imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    Obvious LSI. Ni-HA and Ti base with Si+Se.

    I was interested in the collective unconscious, which is why I imported his book from UK Waterstones "The Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious". This kind of thing is highly interesting to ppl with Ni-HA imo.
    Makes me think of my LSI colleague, talking about David Lynch. We were talking about the new Twin Peaks (it’s quite surreal) and I couldn't remember it very well. I asked him 'but what was the point/message of the show?' and he said- 'that you can't change the past'. It really stuck with me and sometimes when I'm worrying about the past I think about him saying this and find it a comfort.
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    I think it might be the pipe you got there, bud.

    Everyone is LSI. Jung is Elon Musk.

    I'll just go the easy route and say INTp/INFp. His own quote, which I'll paraphrase, was "I'm probably INTp or something, but it doesn't matter at all." Makes sense to me.

    He said he was INTp/ISTp, but I'm gonna say specifically that he's probably not ISTp if you use socionics definitions. They're supposed to be, uh, not making up crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    Carl Jung was an ISTP. He did a lot of tests, experiments. INTPs and INFPs and all of them are thoughtful, not results oriented. He also, despite being esoteric, focus on reality, on the supernatural, on the mystical, but he's really not that playful or romantic like INxP. He does things in an orderly, predictive way. I find other ISTPs such as Bruce Lee to be very enigmatic and revolutionary in a grandiose, all world embarking magic, so even though I think that Carl Jung was the same type as Bruce Lee, Jung would ne nowhere near Lee's level. Jung is also not very random or rational, so he can't be an INTP, where there's boxes and facts on everything. He's also not INFP, because he doesn't flow well. But what about all the people saying he's INFJ? That's also not true, because Jung is not that imperious, domineering, or controlling. J is completely absent in his personality.

    Personally, I find ISTP and INxP more interesting than INFJ usually, because P is universal, expansive, redefining, unleashed. INFJ is just generally new age traps and illusion. So I'm kind of taking Carl Jung as someone similar to Me as an INTP, but 1 letter different, ISTP. Some traits in common yes, but no Bruce Lee level ISTP.
    So you're saying INTp doesn't do tests? Carl Jung was Bruce Lee. He's quasident to Elon Musk. John arbuckle, is Donald Trump. It all makes sense. Thanks. You really blew my mind with that one. What is INTp to ISTp? Lookalike. Why did I ask that? No reason.

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    After taking G's 1st class, I realize that Jung is actually LSI-H. I read some compelling reasoning behind it, but mainly if you read any of Jung's works, it's almost purely Ti and it's crazy over the top intellectual. IEI is weak with Ti and wouldn't be able to erect the conceptual structures that Jung did.

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    Carl Jung seems really weird, really big bang cause and effect unknown, like what he studied and explored was so bizarre, so freaky, so nightmarish, you might almost wonder if Jung was ISFP rather than ISTP, an occultist! I never really thought of that before, but now I'm wondering at least a bit, what if Carl Jung was at the very least very similar or even the same type as ISFP?
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    LSI. He screams Ti and looks a lot like an LSI female I know, chinese eyes, the nose, the glasses...

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    didn't know that LSI had a strong mental imagination that helps them draw symbolic images that aren't based on reality

    https://www.google.com/search?q=carl...&bih=598&dpr=2

    IEI, N or H subtype

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    From Gulenko’s site about LSI-H subtype


    Harmonizing LSI subtype in Humanitarian Socionics
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    Differs in disgust. Choosing food. Drinks a lot of fluids. He is sensitive to children and weak animals. He rarely puts things in order on his territory. He values things primarily from their aesthetic side. Bad organizer, albeit ambitious.
    It is hard to endure strife, although it cannot curb its irritability. Seeks compromises. Knows how to adapt or please those on whom he depends. Provides small services, is helpful and helpful. But in the end, he does everything as it is convenient for him.
    Able to change his mind at the last minute. Due to lengthy procedures, he tends to be late for events.

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    259 tritype description
    If you are a 259, you are caring, knowledgeable and accepting. You want to be helpful, wise and peaceful. You have a very shy, gentle and reserved nature that focuses on what is harmonious. You need companionship and avoid loneliness by focusing on the needs and concerns of others.
    Your life mission is to find the information needed to help others manage their difficulties. A true problem solver, you are happiest when you are able to be in the role of a good Samaritan and help others find solutions.
    You can be so focused on the helpful information you have collected that you can be too passive and miss opportunities that would allow true presence. You also have great pride in giving to others but not needing them.
    your growing edge is to recognize that hesitating too long and being passive to avoid conflict does not keep the peace. true harmony comes from being in attunement with what is essential and in tending to it what is needed and when it is needed.
    the 954 is more contemplative and the the 952 will be more focused on others
    9s have a great capacity for depth, they just avoid conflict. Introspective 9s with 5 in the tritype are the intellectual 9s.
    The two most passive Tritypes are the 259 and the 269. They are both Tritypes that try to avoid conflict and keep the peace. Both are shy and somewhat withdrawn like the 459. But, the 2 brings active helpfulness which is why both of these Tritypes are good Samaritans. The 269 is the most defined by the motivation to help regardless which type is dominant. The 259 is more reserved and helps by problem solving.
    925 is one of the helping types. only the 926 is more helpful. This Tritype can be introverted and/or hesitant. When 9 is in charge this Tritype is often good at assessing situations but can have trouble knowing their own preferences and taking actions on their own behalf. Like the 269 the 259 is inclined to more passive than aggressive and can be reluctant to voice their views. They make great behavioral scientists and researchers.
    592: Accepting and caring 5. Most gentle, kind-hearted 5. Tends to be passive 6 wing.
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    In Russian forums it seems that many vote for ILI. But I'm still open for LSI, IEI. Anyway he said that he is a Ti type and It seems that in the 1925 lectures he hinted for LSI.

    But I haven't read enough of his works yet. I think he is somewhat relied on his Ni but it's not necessarily his base function.
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    Carl Jung was using a lot of Ni, and it seemed really rattling and powerful, but I just don't see him as a judging type. He was too blending in or chameleon like, too shrouded or puffed up, like his practical planning side was completely absent.

    Types I'm open to for Jung include ISTP, ISFP, and INTJ.

    Why do so many people think he was an INFJ? He's too cold, mechanical, pressured, not really people oriented or bolted into the society weave. He's not INFJ.

    Well, come to think of it, Jung is kind of like Plato, making roles, images, dreams, realities, layers, rainbows, cornucopias, so all in all, Plato as an INFP may be similar to Jung. Jung could be INTJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    Carl Jung was using a lot of Ni, and it seemed really rattling and powerful, but I just don't see him as a judging type. He was too blending in or chameleon like, too shrouded or puffed up, like his practical planning side was completely absent.

    Types I'm open to for Jung include ISTP, ISFP, and INTJ.

    Why do so many people think he was an INFJ? He's too cold, mechanical, pressured, not really people oriented or bolted into the society weave. He's not INFJ.

    Well, come to think of it, Jung is kind of like Plato, making roles, images, dreams, realities, layers, rainbows, cornucopias, so all in all, Plato as an INFP may be similar to Jung. Jung could be INTJ.

    plato was imo an IEI, too. sigmund freud was an ILI. sensing types do not perceive these abstract patterns that jung and freud noticed. Ni is the ability to look into the internal soul of someone. Ni-doms are great psychologists. they usually help sensing types with mental problems that they aren't even aware of.

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    Carl Jung apparently tried to analyze ******, Stalin, and Mussolini. It's quite interesting if you read it, and he was pretty good at understanding people. Despite knowing very little of history, I can immediately tell what their types are. Based on the descriptions, it is extremely obvious that he is Se valuing, and I think IEI is the best sociotype for him.

    https://tomaszgoetel.com/jung-on-***...lin-mussolini/


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    What would happen if you were to lock ******, Mussolini, and Stalin in a room together and give them one loaf of bread and one pitcher of water to last them a week? Who would get all the food and water, or would they divide it?
    I doubt if they would divide it. ******, being a medicine man, would probably hold himself aloof and have nothing to do with the quarrel. He would be helpless because he would be without his German people. Mussolini and Stalin, being both chiefs or strong men in their own right, would probably dispute possession of the food and drink, and being the rougher and tougher, would probably get all of it.
    There were two types of strong men in primitive society. One was the chief who was physically powerful, stronger than all his competitors, and the other was the medicine man who was not strong in himself but was strong by reason of the power which the people projected into him. Thus we had the emperor and the head of the religious community. The emperor was the chief, physically strong through his possession of soldiers; the seer was the medicine man, possessing little or no physical power but an actual power sometimes surpassing that of the emperor, because the people agreed that he possessed magic—that is, supernatural ability. He could, for example, assist or obstruct the way to a happy life after death, put a ban upon an individual, a community or a whole nation, and by excommunication cause people great discomfort or pain.
    Now, Mussolini is the man of physical strength. When you see him you are aware of it at once. His body suggests good muscles. He is the chief by reason of the fact that he is individually stronger than any of his competitors. And it is a fact that Mussolini’s mentality corresponds to his classification: he has the mind of a chief. Stalin belongs in the same category. He is, however, not a creator. Lenin, created; Stalin is devouring the brood. He is a conquistador; he simply took what Lenin made and put his teeth into it and devoured it. He is not even creatively destructive. Lenin was that. He tore down the whole structure of feudal and bourgeois society in Russia and replaced it with is own creation. Stalin is destroying that.
    Mentally, Stalin is not so interesting as Mussolini, who resembles him in the fundamental pattern of his personality, and he is not anything like so interesting as the medicine man, the myth—******.
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    ****** as a man scarcely exists. At any rate, he disappears behind his role. Mussolini, on the contrary, never disappears behind his role. His role disappears behind Mussolini. I saw the Duce and the Parer together in Berlin the time Mussolini paid his formal visit; I had the good luck to be placed only a few yards away from them, and could study them well. It was entertaining to see Mussolini’s expression when they put on the goose step. If I had not seen it should have fallen into the popular delusion that his adoption of the German goose step for the Italian army was in imitation of ******. And that would have disappointed me, because I had discerned in Mussolini’s conduct a certain style, a certain format of an original man with good taste in certain matters.
    I mean, for example, that it was good taste of the Duce to keep the King. And his choice of title, “Duce”—not Doge as in old Venice, nor Duca, but Duce, the plain Italian word for leader—was original and in my opinion showed good taste.
    Now, as I observed Mussolini watching the first goose step he had ever seen, I could see him enjoying it with the zest of a small boy at a circus. But he enjoyed even more the stunt when the cavalry comes and the mounted drummer gallops ahead and takes his place on one side of the street while the band takes its place on the other. The drummer must gallop around the band and up to the front to take his station there, and this he does without touching the reins, guiding his horse only by pressure of the knees, since both hands are busy with the drums.
    On this occasion it was done magnificently and it pleased Mussolini so much he broke out laughing and clapped his hands. When he got back to Rome afterwards, he introduced the goose step and I am convinced he did it solely for his own aesthetic enjoyment. It really is a most impressive step.
    ...
    I couldn’t help liking Mussolini. His bodily energy and elasticity are warm, human, and contagious. You have the homey feeling with Mussolini of being with a human being. With ******, you are scared. You know you would never be able to talk to that man; because there is nobody there. He is not a man, but a collective. He is not an individual; he is a whole nation. I take it to be literally true that he has no personal friend. How can you talk intimately with a nation?


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    Ya, I guess as Alive said, perhaps Jung was way too connected or centered and emblazoned around a codex that was so magical, so enchanting, so uplifted, that no gold dust or fairy glitter could even begin to possibly or conceivably transcend Jung's super sized empowerment in the psychic arena of new flexible lines to wiggle or squiggle with imposter hard to see skeleton that was Jung's mental monstrosities.

    More simply, Jung was eccentric, abnormal, miraculously zoomed atop the precipice of all invisible endowments of the heavenly rainbow, so he's an INTJ, kind of like Plato as an INFP, since they're both so questing and soulful to receive congratulations and star-shine from the arcane attic of elevators to utopia and understanding of the metaphysical bridge of all promise and paradise.
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    Maybe ILI if not IEI. I don’t buy LII, he doesn’t move like a rational in the interviews. I would say yup IEI if not for his seemingly bad Ethics. Not expressive in interviews either. Not that bad in Se too, with that bit about grabbing the legs of one guy to hit the others. I would assume LIIs wouldn’t do that.

    I would think he could have organized his thoughts in his books better as ILI. But I’m thinking now that’s actually normal to do as an ILI specially if you are already an authority in your field. I bet he thought he’s Ti type because he knew he has 4D Ti. NiTi basically, he knew it. To think that he wouldn’t say what type exactly he is expresses non-LII behavior.

    And at this point I would associate seeing visions and hearing voices while being relatively mentally stable as peak Ni weirdness

    He’s almost near to EIE Crowley in cognition and weirdness now I get it, it’s bec he’s ILI

    I bet no LII or LSI would even be thinking of synchronicity so much that it will be one of his main studies. That’s just peak Ni irrationality. Can you imagine a Ti lead saying, “I can’t explain it but these two seemingly random things are fucking related and means something big, I just know” I could imagine ILE entertaining the idea but not LII

    And the lack of evidence doesn’t mean weak Te. I mean he did check out other philosophies and religions. I’m imagining his Ni was coming up with all these esoteric shiz but he knew people won’t care if he doesn’t have evidence so he checked it with what the other cultures were coming up with. And half of the time he was like fuck it they don’t understand and probably has remembered how his professor didn’t believe in him initially at his darkest days lol. but still felt the need to look out to outsider practices just to stick it in their faces. So his books and works were half-assed when it comes to those matters
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    This pic makes me think ILI they can be very cheeky looking lol
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    I did a bit research and I find that he is probably LII although I don't find his text easy to follow, possibly due to language and background knowledge instead of type. His Psychological Type seems to be Holographic in general and in small paragraphs it seems to be the style of a left-spin type.

    Also from the Te perspective I didn't find any Te in his texts and it's seems Te-ignoring instead of Te-PoLR. Considering that PoLR is an evaluatory function which belongs to the superego block representing the social restrictions.

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